2lumpy
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......and I understand way.
(I like Boskee's post " Dems coming to grips", along this same line of thinking)
I've been afraid for the last 25 years and now I'm hopeful but continue to remain somewhat anxious as to what's coming now that the election is over. While I'm pleased that Donald Trump is President Elect, and relieved that Hillary Clinton is not, as we've all said, simply winning the election is a hollow victory without follow-through and meaningful accomplishments. We've all seen the Republicans win before and gained little from it, after the fact. 2014 being the last but certainly not the only disappointment these last two decades. So......I'm still as nervous as a mouse in a snake pit.
I've seen, through my world view portals, ie: my television and my internet connected devices, that a fair number of folks are claiming to be "afraid", now that Trump and/or the Republicans will apparently soon be in control of the House, Senate, and Presidency.
Some have called the protesters cry babies, coddled, elitists, spoiled brats, sore loser freaks, Trump bashers, and worse. I watched news media interviews with college students, professors, actors, musical performers, sports athletes, news commentators, etc. etc. and read internet forums where participants are ranting, raving, crying, predicting, and claiming, Donald Trump is going to bring devastation or worse. Some wishing they could move to a different county, some clearly fearful, some defiant, some despondent, some frustrated and some just out right angry.
Let me offer this observation to those who are expressing fear, anxiety, frustration and/or despondency.
I know exactly how you feel. It sucks, doesn't it.
The protectors see "their" lifestyles threatened, their values under siege, their incomes uncertain, their principles challenged, their influence diminished, their futures uncertain, and numerous more difficult to define "anxious feelings" in conflict with the forth coming administration. They are extremely concerned that, "their sky is about to fall".
How well I remember the smug and condescending voices admonishing me to "relax", "it's going to be alright". How those voices pissed me off, because I knew that they were really meaning: "grow up, live with it, you lost, we're in charge, you're a relic, living in the past, hanging on to a failed corrupt philosophy and immoral lifestyle". Yep, I remember it well, seems like only yesterday.
So.....I certainly understand how the protestors feel, when they say, this county is "going" to hell. Yes I do.
I empathize with them, because now they know exactly how a whole hell of a lot of us have been feeling, for a very long time.
So....what was I so afraid of, for all those years?
Not in any specific order:
I feared the consequences and the devaluation of human life after the Supreme Court legalized abortion.
I feared that government would continue, and increase, it's habit of ignoring some laws while they continued to make new and more restrictive laws, limiting movement, political decent, and re-defining the meaning of traditional words and terms, giving positive terms negative meanings and negative terms positive meanings. Using political correctness to control communication and ultimately our freedom of speech.
I feared more restrictive arms regulations, that would eventually limit my neighbors and my from protecting ourselves, from an over reaching, tyrannical government.
I feared loosing more State's rights and feared more restrictions on the principles of self governance.
I feared a more government controlled economy and a less market driven, laissez-faire, business environment.
I feared further erosion of the Multi-Use access of public lands in the western US.
I feared unchecked, uncontrolled immigration.
I feared an eventual one payer government controlled medical system.
I could continue but these are sufficient to make my point.
I'm wish to reiterate, I understand every emotion, other than the violence, felt and expressed, by those protecting Donald Trump's apparent political victory. I been there, done that. I went looking for a new country. (I had my wages frozen indefinitely, by a socialist leaning government, and moved here from Canada in 1975, to get away from an ever increasing socialist government in that country, so I've done it before. I tend to put my money were my mouth is. if at all possible.) It ain't no fun, this being on the receiving end of a political movement.
I offer no solution to current protestors, except to say, now that the election is over, I hope Trump's administration is more successful at achieving his objectives, without give the protestors as much of a belly ache as their political leaders have given me, for the last two long decades, or longer. See, I actually go back a little further than 25 years, I had to borrow money to buy my family a home during the Jimmy Carter years (1977-1981), when mortgages were over 14% and other loans were as high as 22%, so my fears goes back a long way. President Carters admonition was, "get used to it".
Sound familiar?
Not so easy, is it. They have my empathy but not my support.
DC
(I like Boskee's post " Dems coming to grips", along this same line of thinking)
I've been afraid for the last 25 years and now I'm hopeful but continue to remain somewhat anxious as to what's coming now that the election is over. While I'm pleased that Donald Trump is President Elect, and relieved that Hillary Clinton is not, as we've all said, simply winning the election is a hollow victory without follow-through and meaningful accomplishments. We've all seen the Republicans win before and gained little from it, after the fact. 2014 being the last but certainly not the only disappointment these last two decades. So......I'm still as nervous as a mouse in a snake pit.
I've seen, through my world view portals, ie: my television and my internet connected devices, that a fair number of folks are claiming to be "afraid", now that Trump and/or the Republicans will apparently soon be in control of the House, Senate, and Presidency.
Some have called the protesters cry babies, coddled, elitists, spoiled brats, sore loser freaks, Trump bashers, and worse. I watched news media interviews with college students, professors, actors, musical performers, sports athletes, news commentators, etc. etc. and read internet forums where participants are ranting, raving, crying, predicting, and claiming, Donald Trump is going to bring devastation or worse. Some wishing they could move to a different county, some clearly fearful, some defiant, some despondent, some frustrated and some just out right angry.
Let me offer this observation to those who are expressing fear, anxiety, frustration and/or despondency.
I know exactly how you feel. It sucks, doesn't it.
The protectors see "their" lifestyles threatened, their values under siege, their incomes uncertain, their principles challenged, their influence diminished, their futures uncertain, and numerous more difficult to define "anxious feelings" in conflict with the forth coming administration. They are extremely concerned that, "their sky is about to fall".
How well I remember the smug and condescending voices admonishing me to "relax", "it's going to be alright". How those voices pissed me off, because I knew that they were really meaning: "grow up, live with it, you lost, we're in charge, you're a relic, living in the past, hanging on to a failed corrupt philosophy and immoral lifestyle". Yep, I remember it well, seems like only yesterday.
So.....I certainly understand how the protestors feel, when they say, this county is "going" to hell. Yes I do.
I empathize with them, because now they know exactly how a whole hell of a lot of us have been feeling, for a very long time.
So....what was I so afraid of, for all those years?
Not in any specific order:
I feared the consequences and the devaluation of human life after the Supreme Court legalized abortion.
I feared that government would continue, and increase, it's habit of ignoring some laws while they continued to make new and more restrictive laws, limiting movement, political decent, and re-defining the meaning of traditional words and terms, giving positive terms negative meanings and negative terms positive meanings. Using political correctness to control communication and ultimately our freedom of speech.
I feared more restrictive arms regulations, that would eventually limit my neighbors and my from protecting ourselves, from an over reaching, tyrannical government.
I feared loosing more State's rights and feared more restrictions on the principles of self governance.
I feared a more government controlled economy and a less market driven, laissez-faire, business environment.
I feared further erosion of the Multi-Use access of public lands in the western US.
I feared unchecked, uncontrolled immigration.
I feared an eventual one payer government controlled medical system.
I could continue but these are sufficient to make my point.
I'm wish to reiterate, I understand every emotion, other than the violence, felt and expressed, by those protecting Donald Trump's apparent political victory. I been there, done that. I went looking for a new country. (I had my wages frozen indefinitely, by a socialist leaning government, and moved here from Canada in 1975, to get away from an ever increasing socialist government in that country, so I've done it before. I tend to put my money were my mouth is. if at all possible.) It ain't no fun, this being on the receiving end of a political movement.
I offer no solution to current protestors, except to say, now that the election is over, I hope Trump's administration is more successful at achieving his objectives, without give the protestors as much of a belly ache as their political leaders have given me, for the last two long decades, or longer. See, I actually go back a little further than 25 years, I had to borrow money to buy my family a home during the Jimmy Carter years (1977-1981), when mortgages were over 14% and other loans were as high as 22%, so my fears goes back a long way. President Carters admonition was, "get used to it".
Sound familiar?
Not so easy, is it. They have my empathy but not my support.
DC
