I hope that I'm not being misunderstood, I have no doubt that there are some great Dutton bulls. But I think it is safe to say that anyone who has spent serious time over there knows that there are less big bulls. I know from having been on elk hunts with friends, relatives, myself in '07 and brother last year that I have, like many others gained a love hate relationship with the mountain. I agree with ya Pro about the "escapement options" and all the hell hole country that those bulls love to hang out in. But its been my experience that it is not what it used to be. In '07, I was lucky the last day of the hunt to kill a 350 bull having only seen two bulls better than him. My brother's hunt last year wasn't at all what he'd hoped for and came home feeling good about a 340 bull. For a week we kept seeing a dink five point bull with 20 cows!! However, hunts with 3 brother-in-laws and a sister-in-law in '02,03, and '05 were completly different hunts. They were passing up bulls nearly every day of their hunts. I wish everybody who has a tag the best, but if it was my tag 360 would be my goal. Anything bigger would be a bonus to me.