Keep your damn emotions out of this and go off what the definition is. He meets the DEFINITION. Not one person here gives a single phukk about your feelings, emotions or ethics. The OP didn’t ask what you felt about it, he asked if it was legal. Which is it.no. Once again we aren't doing our herd any management favors by removing him. He has a damaged pedicle.
still crappyLook closer. That's a 7 point side.
Oh ya i forgot you know everything, why don't you keep your dumb ass in the Texas section of this forum. And chances are he's not going to repair that pedicle too the point of it turning into a typical 6x6 or 7x7 bull, he's a dink bull as is."Holy **** go find somewhere else to troll tristate if you couldn't tell everyone is sick of your stupid ass pretend to know it all comments. The OP asked "spike or not...utah" which in Utah means can I shoot this bull with a spike tag which yes 100% legal to shoot that elk in Utah with a spike tag."
AMAZING! You can read minds but are too stupid to comprehend a different opinion.?
" As for your xray vision on a blurry video of a broken pedicle if that is true his pedicle is going to be screwed up forever and never turn into a normal big bull so you might as well kill him with a spike tag."
Actually that isn't true. Sometimes cervids repair a damaged pedicle after going through an antler cycle or two . Also there is more to the value of an elk bull than whether he should be shot or not. I know that can be difficult to comprehend.
"I have no idea what was meant by the quality hunting experience for kids... "
I believe you.
I agree with pookiebar.
Tri yes this bull probably has a damaged pedicle and yes there is bulls that are shot every year that are busted antler bulls that makes them legal on a spike unit but the DWR has that equation figured into the Elk management hunt.
Yes I would shoot it if given a long enough time to make a confident decision.
Last year I was in this situation I had a heavy five point on one side standing broad side but the other side I could not determine clearly finally as the bull turned and walked quartering away into the thick oak he turned his head and it was clear he had no points above his ears his horn grew down towards his nose and had a big split into clubs. Legal bull and I did not pull the trigger.
So it only has to be on one antler to be legal because it doesn't branch above the ear on one side only? I would like to be a fly on the wall when someone tries to explain that one to a Game WardenThat video is hard to tell exactly. I would want a closer look to make sure there are no braches beyond the ear on the left side.
As stated above, however, if no branches above the ear, it meets the legal definition for a spike in Utah. I can't tell from that video either way.
You dumb ass I meant he's a dink bull as in most limited entry tags he won't get shot on, i would love to have him on my wall with a spike tag."legal bull and a very cool looking bull would make an interesting conversation in your house. "
Not according to Pauns08. "He's a dink bull as is."
The kids on the short school bus might know Roadrunner. You can't tell the difference. You already admitted that. Take their word for it and quit worrying about who you think you are superior to.
Look at post #47 it clearly states higher than the ear. You can pass on the bull when he runs over the ridge I will shoot him.So I am not as sold on this one, the way I have been told they test is if you lay the ear down along the antler all the points need to be under the tip of the ear. That big fork looks like it would be close I would need to see a clearer view.
Some of you seem to be under the impression that because it goes down from the base it would be legal. That is not what I have been told. If the fork is farther out from his head than the ear would reach then it would not be legal even if it goes down away from the pedicle. This is just how it has been explained to me but maybe that is wrong.
As far as it being ethical to shoot these bulls there is nothing wrong with shooting an animal that is legal by definition. This bull fits the type of bull that needs to be killed on these hunts as 95% of LE hunters will not shoot a bull like this. And honestly it isn't hurting anything to take them out of the herd.
Look at post #47 it clearly states higher than the ear. You can pass on the bull when he runs over the ridge I will shoot him.
Then why didn't you shoot the bull last year?I agree with pookiebar.
Tri yes this bull probably has a damaged pedicle and yes there is bulls that are shot every year that are busted antler bulls that makes them legal on a spike unit but the DWR has that equation figured into the Elk management hunt.
Yes I would shoot it if given a long enough time to make a confident decision.
Last year I was in this situation I had a heavy five point on one side standing broad side but the other side I could not determine clearly finally as the bull turned and walked quartering away into the thick oak he turned his head and it was clear he had no points above his ears his horn grew down towards his nose and had a big split into clubs. Legal bull and I did not pull the trigger.
Good question!Then why didn't you shoot the bull last year?