actually my first bull was an archery five point that died in a bog under a root system. I shot him right at dark and wasn't sure where or if I even hit him. We never found the arrow or any blood and decided to come back in the a.m. I almost had to stand on him to see him when we found him the next morning. Thank goodness we had a block and tackle in the truck, he was suctioned in that mess well beyond what two guys could budge at at all. Kept the meat cool though. nhttp://www.monstermuleys.info/photos/user_photos/7101bry_bull.jpg