Yes, surprise, surprise.... an activist judge places Wyoming wolves back under federal protections.
Has nothing to do with an "activist" judge, has everything to do with WY's failure at a reasonable plan. Wyoming has been on the wrong end of several lawsuits and will continue to be until their plan is changed.
BuzzH is so ecstatic that "he" now thinks he has "won"
something. His ignorance and arrogance is sickening.
Wow Bob Wharff thats pretty impressive that you now know what I'm thinking. I've had discussions with you face-to-face about wolves and the trouble Wyoming was in for regarding their State Management Plan. You basically told me I was full of chit and the courts would side with Wyoming. While I was right, I wish I wasnt in this case. I havent won anything, I've lost just like every other sportsman in the State that wants State Control and legal wolf hunting to happen.
Those who worship him, will rally around him. There are a few who will see him as nothing more than a Montana democrat which has relocated in Wyoming.
Wow, now I guess you've seen my voter registration card as well. I can post it up for you...Registered (I). I may be a transplant to Wyoming from Montana, but at least I dont suck SFW/BGF Kool-aid straight from Don Peay and Ryan Bensens Utah taps...
I understand why you do though, I mean with your Wyoming SFW chapters folding like cheap lawn chairs and all. Tough to have an independent thought on things like the wolf issue when others control the $$$ that pays your bills.
There is a reason Wyoming chose not to offer the low priced wolf licenses with a very liberal harvest in the majority of the state. Largely because Wyoming's sportsmen would be on the hook for all depredation costs as the wolf would be classified as a trophy game animal. While some may argue that depredation is minimal; one event could cost sportsmen significantly, multiple
events would be unbearable. The other side of the argument was that extreme environmental groups would have whined about fees being too low.
Why dont you go ahead and post up the "significant" expenses that sportsmen have "been on the hook for" in the trophy wolf areas in Wyoming. While you're at it, please post all the expenses incurred for lions and black bears as well. I'll not hold my breath waiting to see those numbers from you. Facts matter Bob, and you dont have any.
As to the comment regarding the "extreme environmental groups" whining about too low of a fee...since when have you cared what they think? When I questioned you about the dual classification and warned you that the wolf hippies would have their day in court over it...you flat said, "I dont care what they think". Funny that what the wolf hippies think benefits your slanted arguements...well then you care. When its inconvient for your position, then they dont matter. Which is it Bob?
Those that understand the threat that wolves pose should be up in arms over this decision. Sportsmen are right to question those which profess to care about our hunting heritage; yet, there are many which continue to espouse the same position as extreme environmentalist organizations and bad mouth sportsmen groups fighting to protect that heritage.
Your hypocrisy is endless, it truly is. WYSFW has done nothing to unite sportsmen in Wyoming, in fact, your local chapters are so fed up with your crap, they've left WYSFW. Why do you think that is Bob? Could it possibly be that they see their money and volunteer hours supporting YOUR PAYCHECK versus THEIR HUNTING HERITAGE? You dont have to answer...I already know. When any organization cant accept constructive criticism from opposing views of other groups and its own membership...you've lost support and chapters/members will find a group that can handle it.
My first knee jerk reaction is to say to Hell with all of it. Laws only work if people are compliant and sportsmen should not comply with an activist Judges decision. Of course, WY SFW cannot take that route as we do believe in our system of laws and appeals. I am waiting to see how Governor Mead handles this major set back. This is directly due to his actions. His actions negated Wyoming Justice Johnson's ruling which favored Wyoming's Wolf Management Plan. I am anxiously awaiting what our attorney has to say we should do next, as well.
I wish you and WYSFW would have stayed out of the State Management Plan from the start...we wouldnt be in this mess. Your "attorney" is going to profit from this, just like always. SFW/BGF have made huge amounts of money from the cash cow that is the wolf issue...same page from the same play book used by the "extreme environmenatalists".
If this doesn't demonstrate why BGF was correct in fighting for delisting throughout the entire lower 48 states, I don't know what will.
Sure, that would have been nice. The trouble is two-fold:
1. (which I told you from the get-go) was that the bill BGF was backing was D.O.A. My sources were telling me for weeks prior that the bill didnt have a snowballs chance in hell of passing.
2. It was fine that BGF was supporting the bill, so were a lot of others. But, what all the other groups DIDNT do, is blast Montana and Idaho for supporting the Simpon/Tester rider.
Its also strange that the only Legislator in the entire state of Wyoming that was smart enough to listen was Lummis. She tried at the 11th hour to hitch Wyoming in with MT and ID. Seems she was too late...
Those that chose to protect delisting for two states rather than the entire lower 48 should be proud of their actions. Why was Wyoming excluded?
Wyoming CHOSE to be excluded. Further, BGF/SFW tried to sabotage the S/T rider...(do I need to post the memo AGAIN)??? Montana and Idaho should be proud of their actions, they are proving that proper plans lead to state Management of wolves including nice long hunting/trapping seasons.
Idaho US Representative Michael Simpson told me directly that "Wyoming needed to be punished" because we delayed delisting for Idaho & Montana. It is obvious to me that BuzzH
also believes this to be the case. I contend that had Idaho & Montana stood with Wyoming rather than against it, delisting would have happened sooner. Of course, BuzzH and Representative Simpson both believe that extreme environmental organizations
would not have challenged delisting had Wyoming obligated its entire state to suffer under their rule rather than listen to
the residents of the state.
Saving the biggest lies for last I see. Montana and Idaho would have gained nothing by standing with Wyoming...the bill that BGF/SFW wanted them to stand behind was DEAD. It wasnt ever going to see the light of day, and didnt.
The bigger question to me is why SFW/BGF, and WYSFW didnt stand behind Montana and Idaho under the S/T rider. Funny that you expect other groups and other states to support SFW/BGF, but then stab both ID, MT, and tens of thousands of hunters in those States directly in the back via a "leaked" memo asking sportsmen to kill the S/T rider. Real professional of BGF/SFW. Further, Bob, most all the groups and sportsmen in MT and ID WERE in support of the bill BGF/SFW were backing to delist in the entire lower-48. What they didnt do, is send around memo's trying to kill other legislation that gave relief to Montana and Idaho.
Oh, and Wyoming did NOT listen to its citizens, in particular sportsmen, regarding the state wolf Management Plan. They listened to the Stockgrowers, Farm Bureau, and WYSFW...and we ALL are now suffering for it.
Finally, ask yourself this Bob, are Montana and Idaho being sued currently? Are they still hunting wolves in both States under their approved State Management Plans? Why is it that Wyoming is back to square to one?
One last bit of advice Bob, you have 2 ears and one mouth, maybe try using them in the appropriate ratio.
You've been led to water...
