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what would you have done.if you were claude dallas
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Gotten a job, learned a trade, started a business, got an apartment, then a house, found a wife, couple kids, gone camping on vacation like the rest of us.
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D13er
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oh please god, not again.....
great post/pic, thanks for sharing
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great post/pic, thanks for sharing
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Who is claude dallas?
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If I was Claude Dallas I would KICK MY OWN ASS!
Then I would have obeyed the law instead of being a dumbass
Then I would KICK MY ASS SOME MORE
Then I would have obeyed the law instead of being a dumbass
Then I would KICK MY ASS SOME MORE
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he did his time for sure . my own spin on the whole thing is all
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I had never heard of him or his story but did a wiki search and wow...WOW...either the chair or the prison guards should have beaten him to death years ago for sure!!
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HoundDawgJr
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Not condoning the killing of another person, but if I remember the story right from back when it happened, the two fish cops were just as big of outlaws as him, just hiding behind their badges.
They certainly were not innocent bystanders that just happened on to the scene. They had been badgering and pestering this guy and I think even threats had been made, etc...
Always two sides to the story but if I remember his version was he believed they were there to kill him, or felt his life was in danger.
But I guess that's no longer here nor there, he killed them and he should pay.
But if I recall the story correctly there was nothing "saintly" about those two fish cops and they had earned their reputations. Killing is wrong and the guy should pay for the rest of his life, but I've also seen enough to know that just wearing a badge doesn't always put a guy on the right side of the law.
But this guy should never see the light of day again. He still pulled the trigger and should pay.
They certainly were not innocent bystanders that just happened on to the scene. They had been badgering and pestering this guy and I think even threats had been made, etc...
Always two sides to the story but if I remember his version was he believed they were there to kill him, or felt his life was in danger.
But I guess that's no longer here nor there, he killed them and he should pay.
But if I recall the story correctly there was nothing "saintly" about those two fish cops and they had earned their reputations. Killing is wrong and the guy should pay for the rest of his life, but I've also seen enough to know that just wearing a badge doesn't always put a guy on the right side of the law.
But this guy should never see the light of day again. He still pulled the trigger and should pay.
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HoundDawgJr
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I've always wondered how I would have handled it. What if Claud was telling the truth and did fear for his life?
What would you do? You are staying out in a remote camp and just want to be left alone, but these two Fish Cops won't leave you alone, have pestered and badgered you relentlessly. To the point where threatening words have been exchanged.
They show up in your camp one day, and you aren't sure if they are there to haul you back to jail or to leave your body in a remote wash somewhere, but you are certain they aren't there for a social visit to have tea and muffins. And maybe their hands are hovering pretty close to their guns as they approach you...
Who knows what really went on, we only got his version of the story. But what would you do in that case? It wasn't like two buddies showed up to his camp, these were two guys he viewed as enemies and believed they intended him harm, and they are out in the middle of nowhere.
Just wondering how we all would have handled the same situation?
Maybe he is lying or maybe he truly believed his life was threatened.
Have you ever truly felt your life was threatened and how far would you be willing to go to protect yourself?
Always thought this story was sad, but always wondered what I would have done in his shoes or placed in that situation... ??
What would you do? You are staying out in a remote camp and just want to be left alone, but these two Fish Cops won't leave you alone, have pestered and badgered you relentlessly. To the point where threatening words have been exchanged.
They show up in your camp one day, and you aren't sure if they are there to haul you back to jail or to leave your body in a remote wash somewhere, but you are certain they aren't there for a social visit to have tea and muffins. And maybe their hands are hovering pretty close to their guns as they approach you...
Who knows what really went on, we only got his version of the story. But what would you do in that case? It wasn't like two buddies showed up to his camp, these were two guys he viewed as enemies and believed they intended him harm, and they are out in the middle of nowhere.
Just wondering how we all would have handled the same situation?
Maybe he is lying or maybe he truly believed his life was threatened.
Have you ever truly felt your life was threatened and how far would you be willing to go to protect yourself?
Always thought this story was sad, but always wondered what I would have done in his shoes or placed in that situation... ??
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Somebody sold you some Claude Dallas cool-aid Hound-Dawg!
First if I was Claude Dallas - I wouldn't have been poaching, then the game wardens wouldn't have been after me.
DUH!
Second - I would have complied with the demands of two LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS who were there to enforce the law and accepted that I would probably be going to prison for breaking the law - regardless of what I perceived their reputation to be. I would not have shot an unarmed officer either. Then I would not have shot them both in the head and thrown one of their bodies in the river or hid the other in a remote coyote den.
DUH!
Dude had his trial, slick talked his way out of the chair and only got 30 years. He did his time, should be over. But no, we have to make him into some kind of icon now instead of the low-down poaching murder he is.
Please just let it die, he doesn't even deserve to be notorious.
UTROY
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Somebody sold you some Claude Dallas cool-aid Hound-Dawg!
First if I was Claude Dallas - I wouldn't have been poaching, then the game wardens wouldn't have been after me.
DUH!
Second - I would have complied with the demands of two LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS who were there to enforce the law and accepted that I would probably be going to prison for breaking the law - regardless of what I perceived their reputation to be. I would not have shot an unarmed officer either. Then I would not have shot them both in the head and thrown one of their bodies in the river or hid the other in a remote coyote den.
DUH!
Dude had his trial, slick talked his way out of the chair and only got 30 years. He did his time, should be over. But no, we have to make him into some kind of icon now instead of the low-down poaching murder he is.
Please just let it die, he doesn't even deserve to be notorious.
UTROY
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What Sage said...
BTW I don't exactly know what I would have done if I were in Dallas' shoes but I would have obeyed instructions and fought whatever fight I thought I had under the law and our Constitution.(Actually,I think it's a stupid question because I'm not a poaching,anti-authority loner.)
BUT I know what I WOULDN'T have done-and thats kill 2 law officers in cold blood.
Seems to me if you're looking for a cause to champion ol' Claude would be way down on the list...
BTW I don't exactly know what I would have done if I were in Dallas' shoes but I would have obeyed instructions and fought whatever fight I thought I had under the law and our Constitution.(Actually,I think it's a stupid question because I'm not a poaching,anti-authority loner.)
BUT I know what I WOULDN'T have done-and thats kill 2 law officers in cold blood.
Seems to me if you're looking for a cause to champion ol' Claude would be way down on the list...
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Deadibob- My post was completely and intentionally as sarcastic as possible.....the first part anyway. You can't kill two men and think that 15 years or whatever he did is justice or considered paying his debt to society. I wonder what some of the people on MM think about OJ's trial. I'll tell you what, if I ever kill somebody, I'd like the opportunity to pick a couple of the jurors off of MM. I would be acquitted for sure!!
What if I were in his shoes when the lawmen came to my camp? Probably as mentioned before....do what they asked! But then again, I don't break the law to much extent! I definately wouldn't pull the trigger on a couple of cops for a poaching violation.
Steve
What if I were in his shoes when the lawmen came to my camp? Probably as mentioned before....do what they asked! But then again, I don't break the law to much extent! I definately wouldn't pull the trigger on a couple of cops for a poaching violation.
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HoundDawgJr
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I'm not trying to champion the guys cause, I think he is a murderer and deserves whatever he got. Just pointing out that there is a lot more to this story than most people know.
I remember when this all happened, and the prosecuting attorney basically said that had he not stood over the bodies and fired another shot and then tried to bury them... he probably would have gotten off in self defense, because of how the Wardens had handled this deal up to that point.
But he did stand over them and did shoot them again and try to hide the bodies, so pretty hard to try and champion a guy like that.
Just saying that these fish cops were not guiltless and were not just poor innocent by standers in the deal, there was a lot going on from their side and it wasn't all legal and on the level.
But they didn't deserve to die. Lots of other guys have died behind a badge as well, and none of them deserved it either, pretty sad deal really.
I remember when Dallas escaped from prison and all my buddies were saying, "He's in the hills now, they'll never catch him, he'll hit the mountains and disappear."
Didn't they pick him up in San Diego or something in a grocery store?
Ya, he's no folk hero.
But I had an encounter with a Fish Cop one time that sure had me wondering about that for awhile. ;-)
I remember when this all happened, and the prosecuting attorney basically said that had he not stood over the bodies and fired another shot and then tried to bury them... he probably would have gotten off in self defense, because of how the Wardens had handled this deal up to that point.
But he did stand over them and did shoot them again and try to hide the bodies, so pretty hard to try and champion a guy like that.
Just saying that these fish cops were not guiltless and were not just poor innocent by standers in the deal, there was a lot going on from their side and it wasn't all legal and on the level.
But they didn't deserve to die. Lots of other guys have died behind a badge as well, and none of them deserved it either, pretty sad deal really.
I remember when Dallas escaped from prison and all my buddies were saying, "He's in the hills now, they'll never catch him, he'll hit the mountains and disappear."
Didn't they pick him up in San Diego or something in a grocery store?
Ya, he's no folk hero. But I had an encounter with a Fish Cop one time that sure had me wondering about that for awhile. ;-)
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D13er
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ok..ok...since this topic is alive again......If claude had it to do over, I am quite sure he wouldn't get the 22 and put one behind both of their ears if he had it to do over....he would have walked for self defense if he hadn't done that....
great post/pic, thanks for sharing
JB
great post/pic, thanks for sharing
JB
He's a murderer, cant argue that. I will also say that the officers likely didnt handle themselves as they probably should have.....not that it deserves a bullet.
One of the cops, i forget his name right now, but he had a long history and reputation for throwing the weight of that badge around and unfortunately he did it to the wrong guy.
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One of the cops, i forget his name right now, but he had a long history and reputation for throwing the weight of that badge around and unfortunately he did it to the wrong guy.
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I'm not doing PR for Claude Dallas. I do, however, live here and know the story well....from: locals, wall street journal, local papers and trial transcripts.
There were 2 officers. One of them was a well-known bully (hiding behind the badge). He was a HUGE man physically and known to have a very short temper; there were previous complaints of over-zealous (physical) enforcement of laws. Dallas was off the books.....living off the land. He didn't have electricity, flush toilets and such. He was way out in the middle of nowhere. He was poaching for his supper. Those officers traveled HOURS to get to his camp.
After those basic facts, the rest of the story has been told and explained every possible way.
Within the shadows, go quietly.
There were 2 officers. One of them was a well-known bully (hiding behind the badge). He was a HUGE man physically and known to have a very short temper; there were previous complaints of over-zealous (physical) enforcement of laws. Dallas was off the books.....living off the land. He didn't have electricity, flush toilets and such. He was way out in the middle of nowhere. He was poaching for his supper. Those officers traveled HOURS to get to his camp.
After those basic facts, the rest of the story has been told and explained every possible way.
Within the shadows, go quietly.
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Frontier
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Claude dallas isn't worth discussing!
Conley Elms was the bigger of the wardens. He was not the bully warden, that mans name was Bill Pogue? I believe. I had a an encounter with Pogue once..not the most pleasant experience. I am glad I wasn't breaking any game laws. The man didn't deserve to die.. but then I wasn't there..?
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D13er
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great post/pic, thanks for sharing
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jackrussel
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His mistake was putting the bullet behing the ears. Tough to stand on self defense with slugs in those places. His story is a legend, like it or not, and always will be.
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I think his mistake was shooting them to begin with. The execution style assasination was just icing on the cake for the prosecution. It is an interesting story. I would have liked to have been a fly on the wall and actually heard and seen how everything went down. I think he's lucky to be out.
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"His mistake was putting the bullet behing the ears."
His mistake was breaking the law long before the bullet behind the ear. I dont know how anyone can call it self defense. Its like saying the bank robber shot the officers trying to arrest him in self defense because he(bank robber) felt threatened.
His mistake was breaking the law long before the bullet behind the ear. I dont know how anyone can call it self defense. Its like saying the bank robber shot the officers trying to arrest him in self defense because he(bank robber) felt threatened.
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>"His mistake was putting the bullet
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Maybe you're right but the jury foreman said after the trial was over that the shots behind the ear are what convicted him....if not for those they would have acquitted him on self defense....
great post/pic, thanks for sharing
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>behing the ears."
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Maybe you're right but the jury foreman said after the trial was over that the shots behind the ear are what convicted him....if not for those they would have acquitted him on self defense....
great post/pic, thanks for sharing
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D13er
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2 of the 4 witnesses are dead.....
great post/pic, thanks for sharing
JB
great post/pic, thanks for sharing
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D13er
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Nevada Badger,
Did you know David Carradine ??
great post/pic, thanks for sharing
JB
Did you know David Carradine ??
great post/pic, thanks for sharing
JB
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hiding the bodies was not a smart move either.
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Events in life teach us all a lesson. I hope that he has learned his, and the law enforcement community as well. Many lives were changed forever on that fatefull day, so let us never forget the events of that day, and the all of the lives that were changed. May peace come to everyone who's lives were effected on that fatefull day.
Long live the Modena Ghost.
Long live the Modena Ghost.
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We have wasted 43 posts on a murderer who was released from prison 4 years ago. How bored am I for even posting on this one wow?
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I remember several years ago a person with the "Claud Dallas" handle so I "confronted" him on the name and if it was him and never heard from him again.
I cant believe he is out.
Jeff
I cant believe he is out.
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HoundDawgJr
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"We have wasted 43 posts on a murderer who was released from prison 4 years ago. How bored am I for even posting on this one wow? JR"
Ya, I agree. Total waste of time, can't we get back to reading the 456th thread on here about which hunting boots are best?
Or better yet, I drew a Central deer rifle tag for Utah. Could you guys please tell me where I can go kill a 30" buck this fall? Please PM me with maps, GPS coordinates, etc. Thanks!!
Can we please stop wasting time about a guy double murdering two fish cops and get back to the business at hand? Cuz I'm just DYING to know your thoughts on Rocky boots!!
Ya, I agree. Total waste of time, can't we get back to reading the 456th thread on here about which hunting boots are best?
Or better yet, I drew a Central deer rifle tag for Utah. Could you guys please tell me where I can go kill a 30" buck this fall? Please PM me with maps, GPS coordinates, etc. Thanks!!
Can we please stop wasting time about a guy double murdering two fish cops and get back to the business at hand? Cuz I'm just DYING to know your thoughts on Rocky boots!!
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Claude Dallas just lived in the wrong century.
I have had fish cops that have treated me like a murder or drug dealer for forgeting my life jacket, I know they have a job to do but it doesn't mean they have to be $SS $OLES in the procces!
If you play with fire sooner or later you are bound to get burned.
I have had fish cops that have treated me like a murder or drug dealer for forgeting my life jacket, I know they have a job to do but it doesn't mean they have to be $SS $OLES in the procces!
If you play with fire sooner or later you are bound to get burned.
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jackrussel
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That just doesn't go for the wardens, but all proffesions, but especially law enforcements. Some people just turn into badge toting renegades when you issue them a gun. Everyone should be able to to whatever job it is they do without being an ass to people. Claude's story should always be a reminder of what can happen when it hits the fan.
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Just curious , what part of this thread has to do with " General hunting " .
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"Just curious , what part of this thread has to do with " General hunting " ."
The one officer killed was a General.... Terry
The one officer killed was a General.... Terry
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I have known some real good people named Claude.
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They named him Claudemidia at birth, but called him claude for short.
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What we has got here is a failure to communicate?
I do believe William Pogue has been reincarnated!!!
HEY BOSS, looks like we have a couple of new Chief of Police type officers patrolling these here mean streets?
Winnemucca Renegade
I do believe William Pogue has been reincarnated!!!
HEY BOSS, looks like we have a couple of new Chief of Police type officers patrolling these here mean streets?
Winnemucca Renegade
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Badger, did you eat Paint Chips as a kid?
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HoundDawgJr
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If that Fish Cop was reincarnated I think he's a Cop in Spanish Fork.
Yesterday my wife got pulled over. Her registration was expired but we renewed it online and she just had the papers in her glove compartment, the sticker hasn't come yet.
Some off duty cop noticed it was expired, followed her around in his civilian vehicle and called it in. Followed her until a cop showed up and pulled her over. A woman, a little girl and an infant in a car seat. And he stood there a few feet off with his hand on his gun scowling the whole time.
I have to chuckle, off duty and follows her around until someone can get there, then stands with hand on gun the entire time. If that ain't Bill Pogue then Barney Fife was reincarnated!!
He was an older guy, and to the credit of the young cop that showed up, he was very very nice, and once he realized it was actually licensed, he just laughed and said, "Sorry to bother you" and let her go.
The old guy is probably still chapped this morning they couldn't find a reason to shoot her or at least Tazer her.
Yup, most days I figure Claude Dallas was a murdering scum, but every now and then I meet someone and have to wonder if he shouldn't have got a medal. ;-) Just kidding!! (Most days)
Yesterday my wife got pulled over. Her registration was expired but we renewed it online and she just had the papers in her glove compartment, the sticker hasn't come yet.
Some off duty cop noticed it was expired, followed her around in his civilian vehicle and called it in. Followed her until a cop showed up and pulled her over. A woman, a little girl and an infant in a car seat. And he stood there a few feet off with his hand on his gun scowling the whole time.
I have to chuckle, off duty and follows her around until someone can get there, then stands with hand on gun the entire time. If that ain't Bill Pogue then Barney Fife was reincarnated!!
He was an older guy, and to the credit of the young cop that showed up, he was very very nice, and once he realized it was actually licensed, he just laughed and said, "Sorry to bother you" and let her go.
The old guy is probably still chapped this morning they couldn't find a reason to shoot her or at least Tazer her.
Yup, most days I figure Claude Dallas was a murdering scum, but every now and then I meet someone and have to wonder if he shouldn't have got a medal. ;-) Just kidding!! (Most days)
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It takes people like claude dallas in this world, to keep the system of checks and balances working. A grim reminder of how precious life is, and how every man has his breaking point. Do your job and do it well, but you dont have to be an ass in doing so. Everyone deserves respect.
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All I know is I really like the song about "Claude Dallas"
Its a fine tune..
Its a fine tune..
