If you have mastered the art of calling elk they will come,I had a gamewarden tell me the mallards wont come to calls any more in ca. well he is wrong, all duck hunters have calls around there necks but it is rare to here one done right,some days the birds may fly well and most guys believe they were calling them in,no.the case with elk is the same, timing of the rut,are they calling all day,some times ill be in a herd and they wont be talking at all so I dont either.most times I will avoid as much as I can locating bulls by bugling over spotting them,once I am in I and cant close the deal I will start in calling with every thing I have and ajust to the reactions. I believe that a mature bull has heard every bull on the mountain knows them and has fought with them,growls and small bull chirps have worked best for me in tight.If your calling is not right you will also say they dont come to calls,if your on your in.