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On Saturday we were out on the SWD unit doing some scouting. We were A LONG way from any road, and spotted a four wheeler going back and forth on the ridge opposite from us, obviously far from any road. We were able to get pictures and plate numbers. I placed a phone call to the LEO this morning, but only got his voice mail. When he calls back we will turn over the evidence. This is twice in less than a year we have witnessed this, both times we got photo proof, and turned it in.
 
>On Saturday we were out on
>the SWD unit doing some
>scouting. We were A LONG
>way from any road, and
>spotted a four wheeler going
>back and forth on the
>ridge opposite from us, obviously
>far from any road. We
>were able to get pictures
>and plate numbers. I placed
>a phone call to the
>LEO this morning, but only
>got his voice mail. When
>he calls back we will
>turn over the evidence. This
>is twice in less than
>a year we have witnessed
>this, both times we got
>photo proof, and turned it
>in.

Please keep us posted on how this turns out. There is a lot of that that goes on out there, but I am not sure what the rules are, or how they enforce it. I wish they would enforce it, but haven't seen it yet.
 
I am guessing this is a 4x4 rig. You said you got the plate ? Or are we talking atv's out there ? I know in the wildlife area if you go off the road at all they will come after you ! Truck or Atv . Not sure about just anywhere in the desert ?
 
This is exactly what it will take to eliminate violations of this sort, as well as poachers, because there are not enough Game Wardens anywhere out west to do it all by themselves. We MUST get involved and help police the outdoors in order to keep violations to a minimum. Good on you Bro!!!
 
This was an atv, I was unable to get the atv license number, so I got his truck number instead.
 
Doubt anything will come of it..........the DNR is too busy hanging out, drinking coffee, and handing out chicken chit tickets to the weekend tourists from the comfort of the pavement. JMO :7
 
LAST EDITED ON Jul-30-12 AT 05:57PM (MST)[p]That may be true, but this falls under BLM jurisdiction, so your argument is somewhat without merit, and I hope it doesn't prove to be true of the Feds. I talked with the Forest Service LEO, and he referred me to the BLM. I left a message with the ranger, but they are a bit busy today, with the grow and all. Also, for what its worth, the last bunch I turned in were prosecuted, and fines were issued.
 
I appreciate your effort Shummy and hope it does some good, but I would think an LEO would have to catch them in act though. Even with photos I think it's your word against theirs, unless they admit guilt??? Maybe I'm wrong and just being pessimistic.
 
That's all I had last time, and the offenders were successfully prosecuted. I hope this one ends up the same, but it is entirety possible that you are right.
 
I hope they hang them out to dry, Hope the LEO for BLM with take it and run with it. Good Luck

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Great Job Shummy this off road ATV crap is getting old. I like to ride my ATV and jackwagons like this guy will get it ruined for everyone.

Keep up the good work.
 
You know for sure the truck and ATV go together? You videoed the ATV being loaded/unloaded into the truck? If not, it's hearsay at best.
 
why would you call the NF when its all blm and state land out there? PS nothing wrong with a little offroading out there! keep an eye out for the real criminals.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jul-30-12 AT 07:52PM (MST)[p]I have pictures of the truck hooked to the trailer, with the bike on it, with the bike rider standing next to it, as well as the rider actually on the bike, off the road tearing stuff up, so hearsay probably isn't going to be a legitimate defense.
 
And Once again 'the ox' proves his Brilliance!:D

Gonna Garner Yourself a Free TUNE-UP one of these days ox!

Oh!

Did I mention?

'Nothing Wrong with a lil ole TUNE-UP when needed'!





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I've got Wild Honey Tree's and Crazy Little Weeds growin around my Shack!
These Dusty Roads ain't streets of gold but I'm happy right where I'm at!
All these Perty little Western Belles are a Country Boys Dream!
They ain't got Wings or MM Halo's but they sure look good to me!
 
Good job! Press the BLM people to do their job after you did the initial work for them! They should get a guilty plea unless the people are really stupid, although if they are doing what you caught them at they probably are just that!
 
>why would you call the NF
>when its all blm and
>state land out there? PS
>nothing wrong with a little
>offroading out there! keep an
>eye out for the real
>criminals.

I wonder if you would still condone it if it was happening on your property?
 
This is the same jerkoff that said the same basic thing before when misuse of ATVs was being discussed and even said they go all over his ranch and don't do any damage at all, LOL! Yea, right!
 
Nice job Shummy! I swear when retirement hits, I just may be a law breaker myself.. taking care of the offroaders on my own terms.
This ##### is getting really old. Dumb punks start a fire as well. Judas.
 
way to go. keep us posted


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>This is the same jerkoff that
>said the same basic thing
>before when misuse of ATVs
>was being discussed and even
>said they go all over
>his ranch and don't do
>any damage at all, LOL!
> Yea, right!

show me the damage! did you take pics of the damage shummy? cause i bet there was none!

you guys make me laugh! you honestly think it causes any damage! haha geez! post pics of the damage shummy!
 
Here's what you do. If it looks like a regularly traveled trail, get a 2X6 about the width of the tracks. Then get a bunch of 4 inch screws, preferably the green torx head ones, and screw them through the 2x6 in an angled pattern. Bury it in loose dirt in the track with the screw heads just unhder the surface. Make it look as normal as possible. Idiots on ATVs don't notice much anyway. Makes a guy giggle to see some lawbreaker with flats on his ATV. mtmuley
 
mt!

You sound like a Pro!

You got a Patent on that yet?

What else you tried?



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I've got Wild Honey Tree's and Crazy Little Weeds growin around my Shack!
These Dusty Roads ain't streets of gold but I'm happy right where I'm at!
All these Perty little Western Belles are a Country Boys Dream!
They ain't got Wings or MM Halo's but they sure look good to me!
 
I usualy hunt on horseback but drew a tag a long ways from the house and was going to take my Foreman atv with me to get to the end of the trail and maybe haul out some 1/4's after I hump them back to the atv if I get lucky. I plan on staying on the road/trail and then hike in. First time I've ever hunted elk with a atv. Question is, does everyone just flat out hate atv's or hate the way some people use them? I don't have any plans of going off the road or track.
 
Your planed usage of atv's sounds perfectly fine! I have some myself, although I normally use my horses. It's not a total hate, its a hate of illegal use.
 
>I usualy hunt on horseback but
>drew a tag a long
>ways from the house and
>was going to take my
>Foreman atv with me to
>get to the end of
>the trail and maybe haul
>out some 1/4's after I
>hump them back to the
>atv if I get lucky.
>I plan on staying on
>the road/trail and then hike
>in. First time I've ever
>hunted elk with a atv.
>Question is, does everyone just
>flat out hate atv's or
>hate the way some people
>use them? I don't have
>any plans of going off
>the road or track.


Remember one thing Jodog!

Just cuzz there's a f'n Trail Blazed by a TARD doesn't always mean it's a LEGAL Trail!

We have nothing against Law Abiding Wheelers!

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I've got Wild Honey Tree's and Crazy Little Weeds growin around my Shack!
These Dusty Roads ain't streets of gold but I'm happy right where I'm at!
All these Perty little Western Belles are a Country Boys Dream!
They ain't got Wings or MM Halo's but they sure look good to me!
 
STTM....educate me and everyone else on how you know if the trail is "illegal"...



How to start an argument online:
1. Express an opinion
2. Wait
 
Don't know about Utah or anywhere else, but it's easy to figure out if a trail is illegal here in Montana. Especially if one of my special 2x6s is there. mtmuley
 
You stop at the USFS & BLM and get current Maps!

They're are usually Free!

It's not easy treed sorting it out just because some TARD decided to extend the Trail another 5 miles back in to Closed territory!

These Law Breakin Bittches in this State are out of hand!

The Maps won't Show you the Ilegal Trails!

They'll show you where it's leagal to Ride!

Is reading/Glancing at a Map really that hard to do?



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I've got Wild Honey Tree's and Crazy Little Weeds growin around my Shack!
These Dusty Roads ain't streets of gold but I'm happy right where I'm at!
All these Perty little Western Belles are a Country Boys Dream!
They ain't got Wings or MM Halo's but they sure look good to me!
 
I have a gps sd card for the unit, a forest service map and a orv/atv map that shows all the trails and roads that become trails. If it starts looking fuzzy I'll get off and start hiking. I don't want to mess up anyones hunt and I don't want the BS that comes with getting caught off the trail.
 
You Obey the Rules jodog & You'll be fine!

What's Sad is you'll be the Guy Obeying the Rules & You'll have to Encounter the Law Breakin Bittches!

Lots of Good people here but just like everywhere else on Earth,We got alot of JACK-ASSES too!

Good Luck!

Hope to see some Pics this Fall!

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I've got Wild Honey Tree's and Crazy Little Weeds growin around my Shack!
These Dusty Roads ain't streets of gold but I'm happy right where I'm at!
All these Perty little Western Belles are a Country Boys Dream!
They ain't got Wings or MM Halo's but they sure look good to me!
 
jodog?

Just curious what Tag you have & where you're from?



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I've got Wild Honey Tree's and Crazy Little Weeds growin around my Shack!
These Dusty Roads ain't streets of gold but I'm happy right where I'm at!
All these Perty little Western Belles are a Country Boys Dream!
They ain't got Wings or MM Halo's but they sure look good to me!
 
so just how do you explain to the horse owner how that board with the screws got buried there while he's trying to pull them out of his prize horse?
Why don't you just go ahead and string some piano wire between a couple of trees? That way when the illegal rider gets his head zipped off his family can prosacute you for involuntary manslaughter. Then you can tell 'Bubba' what a bad ass you are, all while you look over your shoulder and smile your best smile at him.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jul-31-12 AT 11:26PM (MST)[p]Which is the worst crime ? The person riding offroad. Or burying a board with screws in it or shooting someones atv ?
This is kinda of like the tree huggers spiking trees. Except we are doing it to fellow hunters.
I am not saying I condoning such behavior.As a matter of fact last year on a elk hunt ready to hike into a area. We we heard a four wheeler below us in a canyon that went around a block trail that had been open for the last 15 years. Not understanding why it had been blocked. We still respected it and decideed we would hike in.
Well we didn't go in that morning. The people where packing out a elk on two wheelers with another felow that stop at the gate waiting for them. I could have filmed them and turned them in. But i didn't.
Later that day we did hike in a couple of miles got two elk down and could have gone around that same gate to recover our animals. We not willing to risk a 800.00 ticket. Called in the horses and pack out the elk to the road loading up our atv trailer with the elk to take the pressure off the horses.So atv's can be used while hunting legally. I just hate to see the bickering amongst ourselfs. Can't we all just get along :)
 
LAST EDITED ON Jul-31-12 AT 11:16PM (MST)[p]+1 to nvhunter and bigjohn.

What's even funnier than a guy with for flat tires, is a DeltaBravo getting his arse handed to him by an enraged cowboy or atv'er.

If you have proof of damaged habitat, turn it over to the authorities. But I bet good money nothing comes of it. What prosecutor is gonna tie up a court over this? However, if someone gets injured cause of a boobie trap....that mtmuley huntin' kitty cat might find himself with a new love starved roommate.
 
Shummy, what makes you think it's off limits to OHV use? Most of the 2.2 million acres of west desert administered by the Cedar City BLM field office is open OHV use designation.

The idea that a nutter who claims to be in our own ranks would intentionally harm another sportsmen to promote their idiotic obamanation of an idea for land use is truly beyond me.

Mark my words, you throw your lot in with the nut jobs on land use and our hunting rights will be next on the chopping block! I'll side with those in favor of liberty and freedom any day over you morons who have some pie in the sky idea of how your hunts should be some wilderness asthetic any where you choose to hunt.
 
So c3?

You think it's your God given Right to Break Laws?

Ain't hard to see who Breaks Laws on their Motor Bikes & ATV's around here!

Not bad Tools when used Respectfully!

Top em with a TARD and that's what will get the whole SOB shut down!

They'll wait till every mountain range is destroyed before they shut it down though,wait & see!

And BIGJOHN?

What's worse you Ask?

Tell you what's Worse!

People like c3 & the ox calling theirselves Sportsman that think Breaking the ATV Laws is OK for a Chosen Few to start with!

Total BS!

You can pick these Law Breakin Bittches out by reading one Paragraph of their BS!


These Holier than Though JACK-ASSES hate it when somebodyelse Breaks a Law because they Broke the Law first!


Anybody in this State that can not see the Damage & Abuse by Law Breakin Bittches on their Wheelers must be some Blind Bastages!




Pay Attention Pete!

To keep that Freedom & Liberty You gotta Obey The Laws & Rules!

No,I don't agree with all Laws & Rules but by GAWD until we get people to band together We ain't gonna get some of the Idiotic BS changed niether!

So tell me c3?

Is it fair to Shummy to Respect & Obey the Rules & Laws while some Law Breakin TARD/QUAD QUEER in the very same Area Shreds the Area not looking in to the Future as far as tomorrow morning with his Peas sized Brain?











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I've got Wild Honey Tree's and Crazy Little Weeds growin around my Shack!
These Dusty Roads ain't streets of gold but I'm happy right where I'm at!
All these Perty little Western Belles are a Country Boys Dream!
They ain't got Wings or MM Halo's but they sure look good to me!
 
>Shummy, what makes you think it's
>off limits to OHV use?
> Most of the 2.2
>million acres of west desert
>administered by the Cedar City
>BLM field office is open
>OHV use designation.
>
>The idea that a nutter who
>claims to be in our
>own ranks would intentionally harm
>another sportsmen to promote their
>idiotic obamanation of an idea
>for land use is truly
>beyond me.
>
>Mark my words, you throw your
>lot in with the nut
>jobs on land use and
>our hunting rights will be
>next on the chopping block!
> I'll side with those
>in favor of liberty and
>freedom any day over you
>morons who have some pie
>in the sky idea of
>how your hunts should be
>some wilderness asthetic any where
>you choose to hunt.

I was told directly from the BLM that Warner Valley is the only place that it is allowed to ride atv's off the trial.
 
Curious, does Utah law allow ATV?s cross country, off the trail to retrieve legally tagged down game? Obviously this is not the case here but I am just wondering as it is legal here in Az.

GBA
 
>I was told directly from the
>BLM that Warner Valley is
>the only place that it
>is allowed to ride atv's
>off the trial.

Warner Valley is managed by the St George office and they have a very nicely published map and written description of what is open or closed to cross country OHV use.

The peaks on the other hand is managed out of the Cedar City office and they have no published maps or written closures available to public land users.

Unlike the ranting and raving of the clueless one, I actually have looked it up.

Secondly, just because some nutter from the BLM says something is closed doesn't make it so.

The only illegal activity that can be shown here in this thread is from mtmuley.

Cheers,
Pete
 
Here in Idaho we have maps and a very useful website also where you can pan the entire state, zoom into any area, and print that area show the trail designations. They are designated, full size vehicle, UTV, ATV, Motorcycle, or NOT. Yes it is always the users responsibility to know, not the managing agency(BLM, FS, ETC) to post each and every one. I live adjacent to BLM near boise, we get lots of violators, which alway say..."I didn't know". I email pics of violators to BLM officer from my Swaro Spotter and give him their address. IGNORANCE IS NOT EXCUSE...per the law.

As a Quad, Motocycle, and Horse owner myself, I love the STUPID posts about placing illegal boobie traps or vandalizing people who piss you off. Typical to guys who would steal trail cams off public ground because they were on some dude's self proclaimed honey hole. Keep braggin about your ignorant and illegal actions and you better hope you have a good lawyer and liability insurance because some guy like me will end up owning your house and swaro's some day.
 
Well,, Bess,, we've talked on the mountain about this.. it's cut and dry, there is no halfway on the issue.. Either ATV's go, or the animals will.. You know the drainage I hunt,, 10 years ago, always could walk in there and see Great bucks, why, because there was a mile buffer zone from motorized anything.. Now, theres a shitty 2 track through it,, and NO bucks,, the few you do see are 1 and 2 y.o.,, I own an ATV and use it legally,, but I'd park it in a heartbeat if they'd ban them on the mountain..
 
We sure have talked RINK!

I've Hunted/seen the same Territory you're talkin about Decimated & Why?

You nailed it!

LowLife Law Breakin Bastards on Quads!

I've Hunted that area RINK since 1980!

Wow have things changed!

I lost another Good Spot last Fall RINK!

Told a local Guy that works for the UDWR to do something about it or at least Call somebodyelse to stop the BS,nothing happened & nobody showed up!

I can still get away from most TARDS RINK!

But I'm damn sure away from any Bucks also!

Maybe c3 can't see the BS in Progress but other Hunters can!

Good to hear from you RINK!

You get a Tag this year?

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I've got Wild Honey Tree's and Crazy Little Weeds growin around my Shack!
These Dusty Roads ain't streets of gold but I'm happy right where I'm at!
All these Perty little Western Belles are a Country Boys Dream!
They ain't got Wings or MM Halo's but they sure look good to me!
 
"Except we are doing it to fellow hunters" I guess i made a mistake with this comment. We only assume there are fellow hunters. It's true we all dont have the same standards. But lets help each other understanding the laws and limits and not sabotage each other. There are so many crazy laws out there. They seem to change them every few months. I am just saying it hard to keep up with the latest crazy laws.
 
What's so difficult about staying on established roads and trails?

For those who go off them, they should be prosecuted.

Eldorado
 
Its not that easy. There can be trail that has been used for 10 years or more. Then they close it. Just a little 4 inch wide sign that may not be there for a week. But it still closed. There is still a road there but you can no longer us it. So it 's not like you are driving off into the bushes and making a road. I heard they where closing alot of them down last year so it would not be so easy for the pot growers to get around. Or so they had cause to check them if they did use them. So it 's not just black and white.
 
I did see an Ethical Law Breakin Bastard last Fall!

He was in about 6-7 miles in to Closed Territory!

On the Ridge Across from me there's one of them 4" wide signs that BIGJOHN talks about!

The JACK-TARD pulls up to it on his ATV!

He looks around in all directions!

Then He lifts the Sign out & sets it in the nearby Bushes!

Like I said!

He was an Ethical Assshole!

When He ventured back out He stopped & put the Sign back up!





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I've got Wild Honey Tree's and Crazy Little Weeds growin around my Shack!
These Dusty Roads ain't streets of gold but I'm happy right where I'm at!
All these Perty little Western Belles are a Country Boys Dream!
They ain't got Wings or MM Halo's but they sure look good to me!
 
Yeah,, It's a terrible thing to witness.. F&G needs to consider other forms of passing out tickets.. I'd pay $5.00 a ticket if they'd let me issue them to the lawbreakers/ publicland tresspassers.. one condition: the fine is $1,000 first offense, $5,000 second, confiscation of ATV and all gear for a third time. I'll have video evidence of all violations and service of citations..

Well Bess,, Out of the usual 9 that hunt with us, NOT ONE drew a tag.. Me and the brother settled for aftermarket 17a tags w/ the smokepoles.. How about you Bess? any hunting for you this year ??

See ya in the hills
 
Here's a question for you guys. If the road is no longer distinguishable and nothing is posted, would you consider it closed? Just curious.

Eldorado
 
Uh, WRONG! Boobie trapping illegal trails is fun and fun to watch. Little Tannerite, dead fall blocking the illegal trail, setting it off when a tool such as several on here try to go over it, get stuck and it goes boom!
Its not illegal to do it. Didnt hurt them, scared the sh!t outta them though, never came back. Funny how that works. They broke the law, scared them to death, no harm, no foul. LMAO!
 
Uh, i think a judge would disagree with you thinking that a boobie trap wasnt illegal and nothing more then harmless fun. Might get you a little community service time in one of those pretty orange vests picking up garbage beside the road.
 
It's condition has no bearing on whether it is closed or not. There are many vast sections of utah's desert that are open to cross country OHV travel. You just have to know the published closures or restrictions. In many areas there are no published restrictions and by definition are classified open to cross country OHV travel.

By law the BLM is supposed to have classified every acre under it's management. In reality, that is often not the case.

Cheers,
Pete
 
Tell me what was illegal about it? Deadfall on an illegal atv trail, tannerite which is legal, it goes boom, they go poop. Scary, ya. Illegal, No. They will never be injured nor their ATV's. No damage to personal property. On Public land.
Get charged for what? What were they doing on an illegal trail that was blocked? It was just a friendly reminder that in a zero ATV trail unit, their BS of off roading will not be tolerated.
Turn them in? Nothing happens. Been there, done that. All we get is harassment because the LEO tells the abuser who turned them in.
I personally pull deadfall across illegal trails making it impassable. I know 110% they are illegal so if the FS or BLM wont do their jobs, I will.. legally.
 
>It's condition has no bearing on
>whether it is closed or
>not. There are many
>vast sections of utah's desert
>that are open to cross
>country OHV travel. You
>just have to know the
>published closures or restrictions.
>In many areas there are
>no published restrictions and by
>definition are classified open to
>cross country OHV travel.
>
>By law the BLM is supposed
>to have classified every acre
>under it's management. In
>reality, that is often not
>the case.
>
>Cheers,
>Pete


That's a GAWD-DAMNED good place for them!

Let them RIP & TEAR the GREENIE'S protected 10,000.00 Cactus's out & SHRED whatever else there might be!

KIDDIN,If the SOB is Closed,then it's CLOSED!

What really Cracks me up is:

If somebody wants to do anything on USFS or BLM there must be an Enviromental Impact Study!

Think there was a Study when they turned all these JACK-TARDS Loose with their Wheelers & Bikes?

WAFJ!!!

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I've got Wild Honey Tree's and Crazy Little Weeds growin around my Shack!
These Dusty Roads ain't streets of gold but I'm happy right where I'm at!
All these Perty little Western Belles are a Country Boys Dream!
They ain't got Wings or MM Halo's but they sure look good to me!
 
Hey guys, before you condemn me for my posts about the so-called "booby trap", I haven't done it YET. The trails in question for me are obviously illegal and not used by horse or human traffic. I'm a dickweed, but the A-hole that continually breaks the law will "own my house and my Swaros". Ain't got any Swaros, and if I decide to do this, there isn't anyone on the PLANET that will catch me in my particular mountain backyard. Another post compared me to a trail cam thief. I've never stolen a ******** thing in my life. That poster can KMA. How the Hell are these idiots to ever learn? Another post says an illegal ATVer may kick my ass. I'll take my chances, the thought really doesn't bother me. In my opinion, the ATV is one of the single most detrimental things to enter the hunting world. If you like em, fine, keep them where you are supposed to in Montana. mtmuley
 
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I've got Wild Honey Tree's and Crazy Little Weeds growin around my Shack!
These Dusty Roads ain't streets of gold but I'm happy right where I'm at!
All these Perty little Western Belles are a Country Boys Dream!
They ain't got Wings or MM Halo's but they sure look good to me!
 
LMAO....how many names have you gone thru BESS....i need to start hammering people and see how many warning i can get..JK




How to start an argument online:
1. Express an opinion
2. Wait
 
>Yeah,, It's a terrible thing to
>witness.. F&G needs to
>consider other forms of passing
>out tickets.. I'd pay
>$5.00 a ticket if they'd
>let me issue them to
>the lawbreakers/ publicland tresspassers.. one
>condition: the fine is $1,000
>first offense, $5,000 second, confiscation
>of ATV and all gear
>for a third time. I'll
>have video evidence of all
>violations and service of citations..
>
>
>Well Bess,, Out of the usual
>9 that hunt with us,
>NOT ONE drew a tag..
> Me and the brother
>settled for aftermarket 17a tags
>w/ the smokepoles..
>How about you Bess?
> any hunting for you
>this year ??
>
>See ya in the hills

Criminal activity deserves punishment. Why should the criminal not lost the ATV with first violation? Do poachers get to keep their gun and vehicle on first offense? Let's be real. The criminals violate the law dozens of times knowingly for everytime one of the few enforcement officers would be in the field and catch one. Book 'em Danno.
 
>why would you call the NF
>when its all blm and
>state land out there? PS
>nothing wrong with a little
>offroading out there! keep an
>eye out for the real
>criminals.


We are Grant.. and the criminal is you.
 
I see no reason to post up the pictures of the damages done, from either time I've reported this, just to satisfy theox. The people who count that saw the pictures were satisfied. Also, my wife happens to be a biologist, and she strongly disagrees with everything he said.
 
>I see no reason to post
>up the pictures of the
>damages done, from either time
>I've reported this, just to
>satisfy theox. The people who
>count that saw the pictures
>were satisfied. Also, my wife
>happens to be a biologist,
>and she strongly disagrees with
>everything he said.

lmao. ya cause no damagE! and sadly most biologists are drinking more kool-aid then the avg guy like you. sorry but books and theorys that most bio's go by cant beat out actual on the ground experience. it hurts nothin to drive a 4 wheeler off road unless its constnatly driven over. sorry but your wife should get out instead of reading the books
 
>>I see no reason to post
>>up the pictures of the
>>damages done, from either time
>>I've reported this, just to
>>satisfy theox. The people who
>>count that saw the pictures
>>were satisfied. Also, my wife
>>happens to be a biologist,
>>and she strongly disagrees with
>>everything he said.
>
>lmao. ya cause no damagE! and
>sadly most biologists are drinking
>more kool-aid then the avg
>guy like you. sorry but
>books and theorys that most
>bio's go by cant beat
>out actual on the ground
>experience. it hurts nothin to
>drive a 4 wheeler off
>road unless its constnatly driven
>over. sorry but your wife
>should get out instead of
>reading the books

Off he goes again. We need not say a word about his lack of capacity.. he opens his mouth and does it for us.
 
never said i have not damaged anything. just know from experience that 4 wheelers do not harm the plants like you kool aid drinkers claim. you guys got tricked by the enviros. sorry to burst your bubbles. fyi shummy, your wife probably learned everything from a book not from actual years spent on the ground. i know the thingsi have seen and i can sure as heck tell you 4 wheelers dont damage anything by offroading. ive run tractors through pasture cutting sage and the grass came back thicker, the sage brush still grows back if you dont get every green leaf off of it. i can guarantee that a four wheeler will not kill or damage the sage brush if a brush cutter cant kill it by chopping 90 percent of the dang plant of. i can tell you places we graded roads in our pastures, ( taking 2-3 inches of topsoil and that very same spring the grass still grew and was thicker on the graded area then the "natural" ungraded areas. I have taken courses in the biologist fields, and i can tell you from the experiences i have had like hands on seen with my owns eyes often conflict what the professors and books claim. nothin can substiute actual on the ground years and hours of first hand experiences! i know without a doubt that 4 wheelers dont cause the habitat degrading you kool aid drinkers claim. thats why you guys cant post the pics up. the only way your gonna kill the grass is if your getting down to the roots and its very rare that a 4 wheeler can reach that pt. sage brush will grow right back even if you chop 90 percent off. im sorry but you guys have fallen for the enviro wackos bs. NF and BLM are about the most enviromentally wacked out govt agencies we have. sorry but its true. do a little research you will find the truth
 
>>>I see no reason to post
>>>up the pictures of the
>>>damages done, from either time
>>>I've reported this, just to
>>>satisfy theox. The people who
>>>count that saw the pictures
>>>were satisfied. Also, my wife
>>>happens to be a biologist,
>>>and she strongly disagrees with
>>>everything he said.
>>
>>lmao. ya cause no damagE! and
>>sadly most biologists are drinking
>>more kool-aid then the avg
>>guy like you. sorry but
>>books and theorys that most
>>bio's go by cant beat
>>out actual on the ground
>>experience. it hurts nothin to
>>drive a 4 wheeler off
>>road unless its constnatly driven
>>over. sorry but your wife
>>should get out instead of
>>reading the books
>
>Off he goes again. We need
>not say a word about
>his lack of capacity.. he
>opens his mouth and does
>it for us.


prove me wrong! you guys cant even post a pic. i know you dinks will post a pic of dried up cheatgrass laying on its side. you cant post anything that disclaims my writings!
 
what problems do they create! honestly, lets see something to back it guys. besides something wrote by some whack job bookworm bio that has not even set foot in the so called damaged areas.
what a joke you guys have drank way to much kool-aid that the enviros are supplying throught the blm and nf
 
i wanna see a pic of the damage, then a pic of the same spot the next year. now im not talking atv trails im talkin when someone say shed hunts or just goes off the road, not repeatedly driven over making trails. i want to see where an atv made one pass! then a follow up pic fromt he next year so we can see how it was damaged . ill bet anything even where a 2 inch deep rut was ccreated this year will have grass in it next year! ill bet a sage brush that was driven over this year shows no signs of damage next year!
 
Right on Chewy!

TARDS follow TARDS!

You can tell the ox is in love with his f'n Quad!

Probably too Lazy to Saddle a Horse!

I guess it's the New Cowboy Way?

As wiley would say: Carry on with your Bullsshhit!



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If You Love Your Country,SHOW THEM TO ME!


I've got Wild Honey Tree's and Crazy Little Weeds growin around my Shack!
These Dusty Roads ain't streets of gold but I'm happy right where I'm at!
All these Perty little Western Belles are a Country Boys Dream!
They ain't got Wings or MM Halo's but they sure look good to me!
 
hey sttm, your right im to lazy so i ride bareback! ha not. not to lazy to hike,i dont use 4 wheelres for hunting off of. i use them to drive to a location everyonce in awhile but i dont hunt from them in fact i hate road hunters and atvs extremely bad. but it does not mean we need to lie about them hurting habitat so they dont hunt that way., i do a lot of hiking and i enjoy it. . i dont need to justify anything to you guys. shed hunters do not follow other shed hunters tracks. even if they people constatnyl followed others tracks it takes 2 miles of trails for 1 acre of land. it takes over 1200 miles of trails to equal a section(1 mile by 1 mile. so i guarantee there is not the habitat loss to 4 wheelers you guys are claiming even if new trails are created! it takes a lot more then once or twice drivng over a spot to really hurt any plants. grass is extremely tough, and so is sage. you guys can call me neglectful arrogant, lazy call me what ya want but you cant call me as brainwashed as you guys are! so suck back on some more blm and nf kool-aid( mixed up by the enviro wackos at the head of the orgs). they have you guys so tricked its sad!
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-09-12 AT 12:46PM (MST)[p]To prove your point that they won't hurt anything, why don't you invite everybody out there in Utah that's on this website over for a quad party on your ranch and let them run their quads wherever they feel like, however they feel like with no rules for as long as they want to, LOL!
 
I'd say you're in denial. You ever seen what ONE quad will do on a rainy day? Obviously not. It doesn't take an army of quads to do permanent damage. I've seen it with my own eyes. If your opinion actually mattered, I'd HIKE to one of my ex-favorite spots and take a picture for you.
 
It's hard to envision an ATV that can weigh up to 400 lbs not cause serious damage to the landscape.
Just don't see how it can't.

Eldorado
 
Exactly! Consider that an ATV will weigh 600-800 pounds with an adult rider on it along with 4 big, knobby tires for traction, especially going up and down grades. Anybody that argues they won't leave a lot bigger footprint on the environment than a person on foot definitely has his head where the sun don't shine! It's just simple mathematics and yet we've seen some of the math that theox has come up with before trying to say they don't, LOL!
 
elk weigh 600-800 lbs hard to imagine they dont destroy stuff too huh.

like i said unless the 4 wheeler is diggin the dirt deep its not gonna effect the grass growth. if someone is spinning donuts and crap that tears up this years grass but unless he reaches deep enough to uproot the grasses it will be backl next year. driving a 4 wheeler in the rain makes ruts that it, the grass will come back.

you guys cant post a realistic picture from year to year to show any damage. call me what you want but i know without a doubt its not causing the damge you guys are claiming there may be a few areas that are tore as in ruts etc, but ill bet you go back next year there will be grass etc in them! some soils and plants do better when disturbed. hence the reason stuff grows better on burns when they are railed vs not touching them. your tellin me a 25 ton bulldozer railing burns or railing pj stands does not improve the growth? sorry but for someone that actually pays attention to the vegitation and what affects it i know 4 wheelers dont do the damage you guys claim.

the old timers drove their jeeps all over off roads etc the grass still came back.

it takes repeated passes to do any damage. several passes wont cause the vegetation to die. there will without a doubt be ruts or tire trackks but its not gonna leave permanant damge.

shed hunters are not causing damge by driving over the spot once. no shed hunter follows several sets of other 4 wheeler tracks while shed hunting.

you guys are pretty hypocritical. hiking off trail can cause just as much damage as atvs. you think grass has a certain breakin pt or what? 200 lb guy is ok but a 4 wheeler is too heavy huh? so whats the cut off limit to too much weight?

say im in denial , a law breaker, a dipshiz, i really could care less i have watched over the years of where i have driven offroad and not and you cannot tell from year to year.

you guys should be more appalled by the sage and pj overgrowth then a measly few 4 wheelers. i guaranteee there is way way way more habitat lost to fire suppression every year then damage by atvs!

its funny that i can take a 15000 lb tractor offroad in the winter and early spring , cut brush and have 3 times the amount of grass come up in the spring then in the areas not cut and driven over ( even in the tire ruts!) dont ya think if a 4 wheeler damages the ground the tractor would too... BUT A LIL OL 4 WHEELER CAUSEs DAMAGE! dont ya think taking 2-3 inches of topsoil with a grader would cause damage more then a 4 wheeler? it doesnt!

you guys just want something to &^%&* about. focus your efforts on the real problems not the fabricated ones. dont ya think that if they cause that much damage we would not drive off road? i mean for heck sakes we depend on that feed every year to feed cattle, why would we do somthing damaging to the range? hmm. just tryin to tell ya guys ive paid attention and watched over the years and there is no lasting effect from 4 wheelers. you guys just dont like hearing 4 wheelers when your hunting hiking. i dont blame you i dont either, i wanna get as far from them when i am doing that too, i dont wanna hear them or see them while hunting, or hiking, but truth is i do not believe they are causing the damage you claim. i dont use 4 wheelers while hunting and dont road hunt, ill use a 4 wheeler to drive up a trail or road but sure as heck dont hunt on them. I dont think its very effective with archery. pretty sure if i was that lazy id be a rifle hunter!
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-09-12 AT 05:22PM (MST)[p]So when are you going to invite everybody out to the ranch to let them run all over with their quads to prove your point, LOL? Look at the damage shown in the pictures in this link and then if you keep posting that ATVs do no harm compared to wlking you're really showing your ignorance on the subject!

http://www.angelfire.com/mn3/dnrdocuments/HayCreek.html
 
that the best pics you have. someone driving through bogs and swamps and wetlands thats stupid! far different story out here buddy! not much of that in the SWD. good try tho
 
Ox, I don't know if you really believe everything you are posting, or are just stirring it up a bit. Guess the terrain on your place takes abuse better than anywhere else. AND, this lazy rifle hunter would enjoy having you tag along if you ever come to Montana. Bring lots of boot laces. mtmuley
 
problem with your pic are
1 thats in the midwest.

2. that is REPEATED TRAFFIC SUCH AS A TRAIL. i did not deny repeated traffic starts killing the vegitation. look at deer and elk trails, human hiking trails, etc. they do the same!

show me some pics in the west of 1 2 even 3 different atv tracks then show me the same spot next year and how badly the area was damaged! i bet you cant!
 
Just so you know, its the carbon that fires create, that reactivates dormant seeds, that makes burn areas thrive. It's not bulldozers chaining the soil that's doing it.
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-09-12 AT 05:35PM (MST)[p]That was the first link I came on when I hit a search for ATV damage. I guess now you're saying nobody rides them out where you are when the ground is wet from rain or snow, LOL! You want more proof, I'll be back in a while jerkoff, but it's obvious your arguments are lame and no proof will satisfy you!
 
>Just so you know, its the
>carbon that fires create, that
>reactivates dormant seeds, that makes
>burn areas thrive. It's not
>bulldozers chaining the soil that's
>doing it.


ill bet you every bit of money i have that your wrong!

1 the fires create nitrogen!

2, watch the fresh burns out there, they fly seed on with a helicopter rail the more accessible areas with dozers. the areas they rail vs the areas they dont( ie with the burned trees still standing) are far far far different. just disturbing the soil with railing makes a huge difference! i can show you so you can see with your own eyes! it took 2 years for the area with no railing to look like the area that was railed after one! it makes a differne

topgun, i realize atvs can cause damage i have not denied that once! overpopulation of animals causes damage etc. im saying cross country atv use with few passes will not damage anything. ie the guy shummy turned in was off the road likely made 1-2 passes in some of the areas, and ill bet there is no damage!)
 
mt i did not say all rifle hunters are lazy! but id love to tag along with you sometime! im always up to help spot a critter! im saying you can road hunt far easier with a rifle then a bow, so if i was as lazy as you guys claim id be a rifle hunter.
 
topgun once again! wrong.

first off the sw pic is a road with repeated traffic and in fact looks more like a automobile 2 track road to me. the little wash on the right is not an atv track bud its a small drainage. keep tryin. here ill do it for ya give me a minute.
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-09-12 AT 05:54PM (MST)[p]You would lose your money, that very thing was a study my wife conducted, both in the field and at a very reputable university, as a graduate project of sorts. The study focused specifically on the strain of cheat grass that grows in Southern Utah.

Also, your picture looks nothing like the county I was in.
 
4056atv_damage.jpg


ok where is the damage? looks like some tire tracks but vegitation is the same lol. this is the type of country shummy reported someone for driving in.
 
shummy your wrong! i witnessed with my own dam eyes bud! i spent the time one the burns from the first year til now. the spots that were railed are twice as thick as not railed even after 3 years! ill show you too so you can see with your own 2 eyes if ya want! ill take a dang ride wtih you and you can show me all the damage! then ill show you all the places i drove last year and show you the no damage! pm if ya wanna go!
 
where the ground was not disturbed with railing it actually gave the cheatgrass a headstart and the cheatgrass is outgrowing most of the planted stuff, vs where it was railed the planted stuff is outcompeting the cheatgrass. disturbing the soil makes a huge difference!
 
I have no desire to spend 5 minutes with you. You seem to think its ok to insult my family, and its not. We are not friends. I really couldn't care what you think I know what your land looks like, and your reputation, you and your kind are not people I would choose to be around. You seem to think that me and mine are ruining it for the everyone else. You don't know us. You don't know who my wife works for, but you seem to think its some sort of a government agency. It's not, but we are close friends with the biologists who do. If it weren't for my wife and the people she works with, wilderness areas would be closed to all use. There would be no grazing of cows on public land, and no oil exploration. Believe it or not, there are biologists who support the working man, and want him to be able to use the resource. In fact, its people like you who are endangering those rights. From now on, you should feel no need to comment on any of my posts, or even think of me. I think absolutely nothing of you.
 

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