Juicy Antelope Island Hunt Detail

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According to the WHCE auction booklet description of the auction for the Antelope Island deer permit, "The successful bidder will have the Island to themselves for 4 days before the public hunter starts hunting."

This is the first time I had heard that the auction hunter and the public hunter will not be out there on opening morning together. Is that news to anyone else?

Following is what the entire blurb published in the booklet says

"You will not want to pass up the opportunity to be the first person, in decades, to hunt Antelope Island!
The Mule Deer on the Island are World Class! Several record book bucks have been observed
on the Island the past few years. The Utah Legislature is allowing this unique opportunity, but, this may be the only year the Island is hunted. Only two tags will be available for Mule Deer on the Island, one bid tag and one public draw tag. The successful bidder will have the Island to themselves for 4 days before the public hunter starts hunting. Ninety percent of the proceeds will go back to improve habitat on the Island.

Season Dates: November 15-24, 2011"

http://www.huntexpo.com/pdfs/2011-Auction-Catalog.pdf
 
Wow, I didn't know they were doing it that way. I bet that tag sells for alot at the auction.
 
What a crock of SH!!. Are they that afraid that the state hunter is gonna out hunt the guided bidder, that they have to let him go early.

Reminds me of the movie Brave Heart where the kings men got first go at the bride to be. Welcome to Utah wildlife, where wealth has its privledges.

Yelum
 
No dog in this fight but backing off a bit, i can't see how either hunt could be worse than the other...and they'd be hunting the island by themselves without any pressure.

Unless there is only one really huge buck on the island...

Some like a huge typical, some like bucks with lots of trash. I gotta believe with all the great pic's, my thanks to Yellum and others that i seen, there are at least two # 1 type monster bucks there to hunt/take.

Joey
 
I agree with Joey. There are a number of trophy bucks on the island and both hunters should an opportunity to take a trophy of a lifetime. However, I am getting awful tired of watching the State of Utah and the supposed "consveration" groups cater to big money. I truly believe that this is a real threat to the future of hunting in our state. Why not provide the same opportunity to both hunters?

Hawkeye

Browning A-Bolt 300 Win Mag
Winchester Apex .50 Cal
Mathews Drenalin LD
 
My opinion...#### both hunts on the island...cancel em now!! Transplant two monster ass bucks to a general unit that currently has horrible ginetics!!

Oh wait that would mean no $$$,$$$.$$ huh??

~Z~
 
If they did not allow the first 4 days to be given to the High Bidder and his team of guides...Then this would be posted on every Guides Web page:

Acme Guides will no longer be taking the High Bidder for Mule Deer Hunts. The State of Utah would rather have slob, poor, draw hunters participate at the same time. This will ruin the experience for the elite. When Utah finally gets it right, and quits screwing it up, we might participate.

Sincerely,
Acme Guides

Just kiddin
 
Bowhunt, you bring up a good point. How would you like to be the lucky draw winner but then have to compete or hunt against Mr Thick Wallet and his merry band of long legged, mountain running eye balls with outfitter, camera crews, and support staff?

Well, i guess it wouldn't be too bad if it was you that won...but you see what i'm saying?

The more i think about it, if they're gonna do it at all,IMO, separate hunts is the way to go and as much as i don't like it, money has it's privileges so them going first shouldn't surprise anybody.

Joey
 
I dont think that Island can handle 2 tags a year and keep the quality they have....

I also think its BS the $$$ guy gets to hunt first.

I think we need to get a possy on this one outside the expo. With a bunch of signs protesting it.

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The harder you work the luckier you get!!
 
When I read it, it kind of miffed me. I'm actually not opposed to splitting up the hunt and letting each tag have it's own time. I think there are some pro and con to that. I do wonder how many people if given the chance to choose first or second would choose to go second on that hunt. I don't think I'd be one of them. I don't think I would have had the same negative reaction if the news was that the paying hunter was going second.
 
who would want to brag about this hunt anyway, it no more than a high fence hunt IMO. I wish they wouldn't allow what ever is taken on the island to be entered in any book.
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-01-11 AT 03:03PM (MST)[p]also i just seen in the proclamation that the auction tag gets a 4 day head start, they also get a total of 10 days to hunt. Instead of the draw tag only getting 6 days to hunt. That seems a bit bassackwords to me.
 
This could catch on in Utah. Shouldn't the paying customers get the better chance? I know the residents of Utah pay the little fees (way more than residents in other states but that does not really matter) to apply but the real money in the state comes from the rich buying the conservation tags. Just imagine all of the conservation tag holders being able to hunt four days before the regular hunt... That would be cool. WAFJ. When will it be too much?
 
You know its funny, some people call this a canned hunt. How many of you have actually been out there? Ive spent my fairshare of time out there and this hunt is going to be difficult! Youll be lucky to see deer on most days and while walking the island these deer are running 1/2 mile out. Im not for or against this hunt.But hearing people say how easy this hunt is, its ridiculous!
 
Shame on me...I've no dog in the fight either, but sometimes I root for the DEER! Would be laughs if the hunters just got respectable bucks , or even skunked for all the circus that's going to involve filling the tags!...and the monsters remain!
 
Sage, though I respect your opinion, and agree its not like canned hunt, you are kidding yourself if you believe the two hunters aren't going to kill great bucks in late Nov. From my truck this past Nov I could have shot 3 differnt bucks over 220, with two of them over 35 inches.

Yelum
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-01-11 AT 10:37PM (MST)[p]Yelum, Is it possible that you have me and another poster mixed up? I felt that both hunters would have a great hunt. I did express that i think i'd rather not have to compete against a huge crew at the same time but also said, from the pic's you and others have shared with us, looks to me like there are plenty of great bucks to fill the two tags. Maybe i didn't express myself clear enough but yes, i agree with what you're saying.

I'd loved to have see those huge bucks with you!! awesome!!

Joey

Edit; Now i see that there is another "sage" in the thread. i feel better!
 
Do you have any pictures of them Yelum ? I have only been on the island a couple of times. The first we where glassing and we where seeing large blobs scartered around . We figured out there where bison gutte piles. We had gotten there the opening morning of the bison hunt.haha It was fun to see them haul those big buffs to the shed and hang them up.
 
I don't see anything wrong with letting the paying hunter go first in this instance. Maybe that little incentive will help the tag go for more. If it can get more money for the park then why wouldnt they do it? In the big picture too, it doesnt matter. Both tags will be filled within an hour of their opening days with huge deer.
When you have your hands on a 220+ deer, you wont care you had to wait four more days than some other guy.
 
Sageadvise, lol. Sorry, I knew it wasn't you, but got lazy and abreviated.

BIGJOHNT, Yes
Yelum
 
>I dont think that Island can
>handle 2 tags a year
>and keep the quality they
>have....
>
>I also think its BS the
>$$$ guy gets to hunt
>first.
>
>I think we need to get
>a possy on this one
>outside the expo. With a
>bunch of signs protesting it.
>
>
>
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>
>The harder you work the luckier




I don't think the coyotes care about the quality of the bucks!!!
>you get!!
 
Maybe another draw to see who gets first go at the farmyard bucks would be a fairer thing to do.

"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-03-11 AT 09:46AM (MST)[p]>I don't think the coyotes care
>about the quality of the
>bucks!!!
>>you get!!


What are you talking about??? Do you think coyotes are killing the bucks out there. That is foolish thinking if its so... The only way a coyote is going to kill a buck out there is when its already been killed or before its ever a buck.

Now Im talking about quality bucks. I still dont think the island can handle 2 tags a year out there and still maintain the size of bucks thats out there right now.


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If bowhunting was easy rifle hunters would do it...
 
who cares about the quality of the bucks if they are dying of old age or being eaten by dogs?? how many 200" plus bucks have been wasted out there one way or another ? your either for hunting or your not!! the islands about the same size as where the majority of bucks are killed on the henerys should we shut it down to?
 
"What are you talking about??? Do you think coyotes are killing the bucks out there. That is foolish thinking if its so... The only way a coyote is going to kill a buck out there is when its already been killed or before its ever a buck."


I way disagree, have seen it myself and others i hunt with have too. Yote's sometimes hunt in packs. One will take the lead and nip at the heels of a buck, run him. When one yote gets tired, another will step up and push the buck some more. This will continue until the deer is so tired he can't go anymore and the pack is still fresh. They will hammy him, end up taking the Buck down and anybody who thinks they won't is... "foolish"

Now, i don't go to the Island, never been. It stands to reason though that if they do it like that elsewhere, they could and will do it there as well.

Joey
 
>LAST EDITED ON Feb-03-11
>AT 09:46?AM (MST)
>
>>I don't think the coyotes care
>>about the quality of the
>>bucks!!!
>>>you get!!
>
>
>What are you talking about??? Do
>you think coyotes are killing
>the bucks out there. That
>is foolish thinking if its
>so... The only way a
>coyote is going to kill
>a buck out there is
>when its already been killed
>or before its ever a
>buck.


sorry to reply again but the more i read your post the more bugged i got. what does already been killed or before it was ever a buck mean? pretty sure their a buck or a doe . don't morph into one or the other. who already killed it ? sure as hell wasn't a hunter. you love the extended archery hunt right ?
well most of those bucks look pretty tame to me . seen them on the news in someones backyard just trying to survive the winter ! should we have the archery hunt in the summer when only a few bucks are on the winter range ? bet that would be a fun time.

not baggin on what u like or call hunting just thinking maybe u could be a little more opened minded?



































>
>Now Im talking about quality bucks.
>I still dont think the
>island can handle 2 tags
>a year out there and
>still maintain the size of
>bucks thats out there right
>now.
>
>
>
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>
>If bowhunting was easy rifle hunters
>would do it...
 
swbuckmaster
Try telling that to this buck. He was killed and consumed by the yotes in 3 days.

Friday
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Sunday
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Twice this past month I watched a pack of 5 yotes chase a group of 9 bucks

Yelum
 
coondog,
Ya its a big enough place to hunt and would meet the fair chase rules, but its been a State Park for 30 years. The 200 inchers aren't being wasted. Thousands of people have enjoyed watching them, and shed hunters are getting the dead ones, as well as the sheds. And the "either you're for hunting or against it" statement is crap. We don't need to hunt every where there is a big buck. Whether it be in a town, state park, of even national parks.

Yelum
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-04-11 AT 07:09AM (MST)[p]+1. Why not hunt them in Yellowstone? Yosemite? Either you're for it, or you're not.......
 
>LAST EDITED ON Feb-04-11
>AT 07:09?AM (MST)
>
>+1. Why not hunt them in
>Yellowstone? Yosemite? Either you're for
>it, or you're not.......


they already hunt the buffs on the island .its not like its been closed for the last 30 years . and yea i wouldn't mind seeing limited hunting in yellowstone instead of having 50 guys blast them as soon as they cross the line in the winter.
 
If you think coyotes do not kill big bucks, maybe its time to log off MM, open your door, and go out side in the real world.
 
We should be hunting Yellowstone, and every other national park. Every national park is running in the RED and they should use hunter revenue to help pay the bills. Sept, Oct, and Nov are not high "tourist" use times in the parks anyway. It could be done tastefully with rules saying you have to be a 1/2 mile from the road or structure, and animals must be covered when removing by vehicle from the park. It should be kept out of the public eye. Instead we have "snipers killing elk in Rocky Mountain National park in CO, how is this a sensible option"?
The antelope island hunt is A B&C no high fence hunt and its laughable that there is people opposed to this opportunity to let the State Parks pay a portion of their operating budget without raising entry fee's to the state parks. I bet the hunting on antelope island will make up a large % of the operating budget for the island.
I'm very pro hunting on all public lands but with that being said the 4 day head start to the auction permit is BS. They should flip a coin for the first 4day period.
 
>You know its funny, some people
>call this a canned hunt.
>How many of you have
>actually been out there? Ive
>spent my fairshare of time
>out there and this hunt
>is going to be difficult!
>Youll be lucky to see
>deer on most days and
>while walking the island these
>deer are running 1/2 mile
>out. Im not for or
>against this hunt.But hearing people
>say how easy this hunt
>is, its ridiculous!


Are you on crack?? I have over an hour of video of my 4 year old putting the sneak on big buck after big buck and on most getiin within 50-75yrds. If you can't go out there and see a 30"+ buck your blind, hell most nights they will cross the roads.
 
What did the state get for the spidey bull?? Seriously, I would love to see what the money went for. This is WORSE than a high fence hunt, these deer have never been hunted. At least high fence deer get hunted once in a while. This is like someone shooting your pet deer. Yeah they hunt the buffs, they take you out and point out which one is a bull and you shoot it, most of the buffs lay around on the side of the road. If you haven't been out there to see it, you don't understand. I mean this is like hunting Bear World up in Idaho.
 
End the draw immediately. Have SFW eBay whatever tags they decide should be issued by the State of Utah for the various species. SFW knows best how to spend the proceeds. Do not burden SFW by wasting their valuable time on paperwork and reports...they have too much good work to get done to mess with those sissy details or explain things to any of you common people that just do not see the big picture.

Rich guys (the most deserving hunters, by the way, and are a heck of a lot of fun to hang out with around a campfire tended by a chef) will be hunting every year and all former big game hunters can pay to go see what the high bidders shot being displayed on the wall at the Expo each year.

There, problem solved.

You are welcome.
 
This hunt is s@#@!!!!! man i hope little mtn sells a tag next year so i cant take my 2 yr old to see the deer on the side of the road she loves that.
 
Hossblur,

The spidey bull wasn't on a state park, that has been operating in the red for the last twenty years, unknow depending on taxpayer money from the good people of Utah to make ends meet. As I drive around utah for work I see a lot of habitat projects going on. Lots of fencing projects (not enough) and other than the 5 acre ranchettes and a steady increase in human populations I believe that Utah is generally headed in the right direction. Do I think that some money isn't wasted; cmon its Govt in action. I know SFW has some accountablity issues (heck its the reason I resigned from the Wyoming State Board) but the thought that Don and gang are intentionally defrauding anyone is laughable.
These are wild deer, no fences, and no different that when Utah has closed and then reopened the Henry's, Book Cliffs, Vernon, and the Pans from being closed for up to 5 years. It didn't take those deer living in the closed units to figure out they were being hunted. It won't take antelope island deer who already are heavily hunted by 4 legged predators to figure it out. Its what deer do.
 
>What did the state get for
>the spidey bull?? Seriously,
>I would love to see
>what the money went for.
> This is WORSE than
>a high fence hunt, these
>deer have never been hunted.
> At least high fence
>deer get hunted once in
>a while. This is
>like someone shooting your pet
>deer. Yeah they hunt
>the buffs, they take you
>out and point out which
>one is a bull and
>you shoot it, most of
>the buffs lay around on
>the side of the road.
> If you haven't been
>out there to see it,
>you don't understand. I
>mean this is like hunting
>Bear World up in Idaho.
>


not sure on the amount but i think the tag went between 75,000-100,000 thousand that year just a hair more than the other monroe tags . after the henerys and the vernon were shut down for a few years the deer were pretty tame too. not sure if they were pet deer but pretty close.
 
Feduptwo, according to the SFW banquet program, the hunt proceeds aren't going to ease the red ink problems of the state park. They say that 90% of the auction proceeds are going toward habitat improvements on Antelope Island.

Why don't they flip a coin between the auction hunter and the draw hunter to see who goes first? Oh,wait, they can't. Don stole the quarter.


____________________________

I hunt. I fish. I VOTE.

Get the F out of SFW
 
>Feduptwo, according to the SFW banquet
>program, the hunt proceeds aren't
>going to ease the red
>ink problems of the state
>park. They say that 90%
>of the auction proceeds are
>going toward habitat improvements on
>Antelope Island.
>
>Why don't they flip a coin
>between the auction hunter and
>the draw hunter to see
>who goes first? Oh,wait, they
>can't. Don stole the quarter.
>
>
>
>____________________________
>
>I hunt. I fish. I VOTE.
>
>
>Get the F out of SFW
>


don't you think habitat improvement contributes to the "red ink"
 
From my understanding, the Park deficit has to do with infrastructure, facilities and staffing, not habitat. What habitat work has been done, hasn't been done or is needed? Wouldn't habitat spending come out of the DWR's budget, and not the State Park? Habitat improvement would be what exactly? Guzzlers? Grass seeding? How would that help a park with negative revenue? How will that bring more people to the island? Is it even needed? And if the habitat is so bad, why are there trophy animals on the island?

But still, the spin in the process of getting the hunt approved was about the state park budget, not about habitat improvement. If tag dollars are going to habitat instead of payroll, maps and toilet paper, the whole thing was a steaming pile of lies.
____________________________

I hunt. I fish. I VOTE.

Get the F out of SFW
 
>From my understanding, the Park deficit
>has to do with infrastructure,
>facilities and staffing, not habitat.
>What habitat work has been
>done, hasn't been done or
>is needed? Wouldn't habitat spending
>come out of the DWR's
>budget, and not the State
>Park? Habitat improvement would be
>what exactly? Guzzlers? Grass seeding?
>How would that help a
>park with negative revenue? How
>will that bring more people
>to the island? Is it
>even needed? And if the
>habitat is so bad, why
>are there trophy animals on
>the island?
>
>But still, the spin in the
>process of getting the hunt
>approved was about the state
>park budget, not about habitat
>improvement. If tag dollars are
>going to habitat instead of
>payroll, maps and toilet paper,
>the whole thing was a
>steaming pile of lies.
>____________________________
>
>I hunt. I fish. I VOTE.
>
>
>Get the F out of SFW
>


why would the dwr "department of wildlife resources " spend money on a island where no wildlife can be hunted?
 

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