2lumpy
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Hope we'll soon get some information from those attending the Springville SFW meeting. More opportunity to hear other beliefs about how mule deer can be helped. These discussions are valuable right now because the State Legislation process is about to begin. Mule deer recovery can and should be a part of that process. Allowing local legislators to hear our concerns and our observations will help them make better decisions when it's time to vote on some of these matters.
Another discussion that came up in the SFW Richfield meeting last night was the number of fawns that had survived on the Monroe unit. As I recall the DWR biologist said that last year it was 20 fawns per 100 does, this year 38 per 100. He said the current fawn recruitment rate would not allow the herd to grow. He said he believed more coyote control and more habitat improvement would help mule deer recovery.
Regarding SFW's success or failure over the last 18 years.......I have personally told SFW that our deer herd numbers were declining and what was being done was not helping. I've been on the end of their nose every this since 1994. I believe no one has told Don, to his face, more times in the last 18 years than I have. I have hounded him worse than anyone I know of, including the folks who are on here, daily, bitching about SFW for every thing from the price of women's hat pins to oil production in Iran. The difference is, I do it do to his face, one on one, not behind a internet forum alias. When I tell him what I believe, I do it eye to eye. Again, I've told him over and over that our deer numbers are going down.....down......down.
Here is what I believe, based on his behavior and his response to my bitching for the last 18 years. HE DIDN'T BELIEVE ME! He believed the professionals, he believed their numbers, he believed the agreements that it was a warm fall, a wet fall, a dry fall, full moon, he believed the reseeds were working, he believed those folks that shot big bucks every year, he believed the guys that said it was just the lazy road hunters that couldn't find deer, he believed the dedicated hunter program would improve ratios both buck and fawn ratios, he believed the biologists he believed the directors, he believed the guys who said they were seeing tons of bucks and huge herds of does and he believe the regional averaging computer calculations. In fact he trusted the system and he believed deer herds were improving BECAUSE MOST OF YOU (70%) TOLD HIM IT WAS. Don and SFW are no different than you and I, they aren't everywhere and can't know everything. LIKE YOU AND I, THEY ONLY KNOW THAT THEY SEE AND WHAT PEOPLE THEY TRUST TELLS THEM. (HE DIDN'T BELIEVE ME (30%)
WHO HAS BEEN TELLING SFW THE TRUTH ABOUT OUR DEER FOR 18 YEARS, GUYS LIKE ME (30%) OR GUYS LIKE SOME OF YOU (70%) AND THE AGENCY PROFESSIONALS?
So now.............. we (30%) FINALLY HAVE SFW's ATTENTION AGAIN, YES IT'S TAKEN 18 YEARS! And YOU WANT TO CRITICIZES HIM NOW FOR THANKING AND RECOGNIZING the young man that had the guts to take OUR CONCERNS to the Wildlife Board in order to get the SFW's attention. It FIGURES!
Yes, it's ABSOLUTELY true, SFW was not done all that should have been done for mule deer. THEY CURRENTLY ARE TRAVELING THE STATE, TELLING EVERYONE THAT WILL LISTEN THAT THEY HAVEN'T GOT THE JOB DONE. Now that they admit that and want to try to do better and to do more, YOU STILL WANT TO CRITICIZE THEM.
If anyone has a bone to pick with SFW it's us (30%). Here's the difference, we don't care what they didn't do, WE ONLY CARE WHAT THEY DO NOW!
WE DON'T CARE IF THEY GET ROTTEN RICH OR GO DIRT POOR IF THEY TURN THIS DEER HERD AROUND. If I could, I would make everyone of them a tillionaire if they grow more mule deer. I'll help YOU become a million or a transvestite, if that's what you want, if you'll grow more mule deer. You UWC folks, get your horse hooked to the plow and you get this mule deer herd growing and producing more deer than we are loosing every damn year and I'll be pounding your drum and shouting you praises and pushing your ideas and your legislative issues. As far as I'm concerned, until I see YOU GROWING DEER, your just ANOTHER MISERABLE OBSTACLE we have to overcome to get the job done.
I BELIEVE THIS: if left up to the so called 70% and the current agency administration we will be out of the mule deer hunting business far sooner than any of you can imagine. YES IT CAN AND YES IT WILL HAPPEN.
So..........put the past in the past. SFW has told us they will gear up and try again, for 3 to 5 years to stop the decline of mule deer. I want that to happen, I'm going to give my time, my money, my support, my encouragement and my piss poor effort to help them. If any other group or individual is going to do something, I'll do the same for them. Changing bad behavior is a virtue, forgiveness will refresh your soul.
A smarter person than me once said: YOU'RE EITHER PART OF THE SOLUTION OR YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM. It's just might be true.
DC
Another discussion that came up in the SFW Richfield meeting last night was the number of fawns that had survived on the Monroe unit. As I recall the DWR biologist said that last year it was 20 fawns per 100 does, this year 38 per 100. He said the current fawn recruitment rate would not allow the herd to grow. He said he believed more coyote control and more habitat improvement would help mule deer recovery.
Regarding SFW's success or failure over the last 18 years.......I have personally told SFW that our deer herd numbers were declining and what was being done was not helping. I've been on the end of their nose every this since 1994. I believe no one has told Don, to his face, more times in the last 18 years than I have. I have hounded him worse than anyone I know of, including the folks who are on here, daily, bitching about SFW for every thing from the price of women's hat pins to oil production in Iran. The difference is, I do it do to his face, one on one, not behind a internet forum alias. When I tell him what I believe, I do it eye to eye. Again, I've told him over and over that our deer numbers are going down.....down......down.
Here is what I believe, based on his behavior and his response to my bitching for the last 18 years. HE DIDN'T BELIEVE ME! He believed the professionals, he believed their numbers, he believed the agreements that it was a warm fall, a wet fall, a dry fall, full moon, he believed the reseeds were working, he believed those folks that shot big bucks every year, he believed the guys that said it was just the lazy road hunters that couldn't find deer, he believed the dedicated hunter program would improve ratios both buck and fawn ratios, he believed the biologists he believed the directors, he believed the guys who said they were seeing tons of bucks and huge herds of does and he believe the regional averaging computer calculations. In fact he trusted the system and he believed deer herds were improving BECAUSE MOST OF YOU (70%) TOLD HIM IT WAS. Don and SFW are no different than you and I, they aren't everywhere and can't know everything. LIKE YOU AND I, THEY ONLY KNOW THAT THEY SEE AND WHAT PEOPLE THEY TRUST TELLS THEM. (HE DIDN'T BELIEVE ME (30%)
WHO HAS BEEN TELLING SFW THE TRUTH ABOUT OUR DEER FOR 18 YEARS, GUYS LIKE ME (30%) OR GUYS LIKE SOME OF YOU (70%) AND THE AGENCY PROFESSIONALS?
So now.............. we (30%) FINALLY HAVE SFW's ATTENTION AGAIN, YES IT'S TAKEN 18 YEARS! And YOU WANT TO CRITICIZES HIM NOW FOR THANKING AND RECOGNIZING the young man that had the guts to take OUR CONCERNS to the Wildlife Board in order to get the SFW's attention. It FIGURES!
Yes, it's ABSOLUTELY true, SFW was not done all that should have been done for mule deer. THEY CURRENTLY ARE TRAVELING THE STATE, TELLING EVERYONE THAT WILL LISTEN THAT THEY HAVEN'T GOT THE JOB DONE. Now that they admit that and want to try to do better and to do more, YOU STILL WANT TO CRITICIZE THEM.
If anyone has a bone to pick with SFW it's us (30%). Here's the difference, we don't care what they didn't do, WE ONLY CARE WHAT THEY DO NOW!
WE DON'T CARE IF THEY GET ROTTEN RICH OR GO DIRT POOR IF THEY TURN THIS DEER HERD AROUND. If I could, I would make everyone of them a tillionaire if they grow more mule deer. I'll help YOU become a million or a transvestite, if that's what you want, if you'll grow more mule deer. You UWC folks, get your horse hooked to the plow and you get this mule deer herd growing and producing more deer than we are loosing every damn year and I'll be pounding your drum and shouting you praises and pushing your ideas and your legislative issues. As far as I'm concerned, until I see YOU GROWING DEER, your just ANOTHER MISERABLE OBSTACLE we have to overcome to get the job done.
I BELIEVE THIS: if left up to the so called 70% and the current agency administration we will be out of the mule deer hunting business far sooner than any of you can imagine. YES IT CAN AND YES IT WILL HAPPEN.
So..........put the past in the past. SFW has told us they will gear up and try again, for 3 to 5 years to stop the decline of mule deer. I want that to happen, I'm going to give my time, my money, my support, my encouragement and my piss poor effort to help them. If any other group or individual is going to do something, I'll do the same for them. Changing bad behavior is a virtue, forgiveness will refresh your soul.
A smarter person than me once said: YOU'RE EITHER PART OF THE SOLUTION OR YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM. It's just might be true.
DC