high fences? yes or no

whats there to think? what are you getting at?
everyone knows that no one is "really" impressed with anything killed in a high fence. Well maybe i am wrong, i guess i am impressed the guy has that much money LOL. so what does Yes or no mean?
 
Yes, For a lab my dog's got some leapers. I don't want him to get shot for nabbing a neighbors chicken.
 
why are people so against them? why do some of you guys feel that they are not a good management tool? what is the difference in hunting a high fence or an island?
 
High fences? Yes or no? YES!!! THERE IS SUCH THING AS HIGH FENCES!!!! I DONT CARE WHAT ANYBODY SAYS!!!! THEY EXIST!!!!
 
It's not Hunting nor does it seem much of a sport. I don't mind being able to buy farm raised Elk jerky at sportsman's. Basically to each his own.
 
I for one would never ever shoot an animal that is fenced in. As for my opinions about it:
For Whitetail deer, as long as the area is quite large, and they are not baited, I guess I don't have a serious problem with it (i would not do it). Now the huge Elk that come out of the fenced ranches in Canada, that is disgusting that someone would even want to hang that aniamal in their home.
 
Its the single biggest threat to the hunting lifestyle. Once everything is turned into livestock who's going to care. Not to mention the dangers of infecting wild free ranging animals with domestic livestock disease. IMO its wrong.
 
To each his own. For me, HELL NO if I want to shoot something behind a "high fence" I will hunt at the zoo or go to work for the department of corrections.
Elwood
 
No way !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! not now not ever. Don't care how big an area it is, Hatrick
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-04-05 AT 09:00PM (MST)[p]Yes!!!!!
It is the only way to keep deer out of my garden!
But to hunt behind? No!!
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Eric
 
I prefer to hunt in the animals natural habitat and I guess that does not include a high fence.
 
I guess it depends if it is really hunting or not. I am fighting every day to get put-and take hunting on small fenced enclosures banned in Idaho. I think it is terrible to look at a picture of a bull and know the exact score, then go "harvest" him. However, there are differences, and it is whatever satisfies you personnally. This past year I hunted on my friend's high-fenced ranch in Namibia, and took 13 animals. It was some of the hardest hunting I have done. It is 300 square miles (180,000 acres), and is enclosed to keep the rhino and elephant inside. Did I feel I was taking advantage of the animals - NO!
 
Grandslammer,
Don't think you'll be taking that Grandslam behind a fence. Them Dalls & Stones are in God's Country, No Fences Here!
 
In no way shape or form can you call it hunting. If it were up to me, I would do away with every high fence ranch in existence. You might as well take your rifle down to the zoo. Anyone that takes part in such an act, is not a true hunter....plain and simple.

Bowhuntr
 
How many times does this subject need to be discussed? All these types of posts do is stir the pot.
 
Different strokes for different folks, Some hunters don't like hound chasing deer, or shooting out of blinds on the dge of fields, or road hunting, or shooting behind fences, But I will not try and tell a guy his way is wrong, it just might not be my way, those who jump on that band wagon and claim that his way is the only way, will be the ones who divide the hunting family, and let the Peta type, pick off small groups of hunters,Look what is happening to the hound hunter that chase Bear,lions and deer,or does Aerial gunning of coyotes, Just because you don't hunt this way don't means it wrong just different, we still have to stand by them, because it could be our form of the hunting next that they try and take away. I know you can argue about the size of the ranch all day long.Some hunters only love hunting the high country, other who can't make it up there, hunt lower around fields, killing a big buck coming out the fields is still hunting just not high country hunting, but both is hunting, I'm betting if everyone highed the same type of way and same type of terrain it sure would be crowded up there, Me I like it that alot of people don't hunt my way. Now ya all have a nice hunting season, and please shoot straight.
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-05-05 AT 08:45AM (MST)[p]You can hunt 10,000 feet or sea level and it still be hunting. Throw a high fence in there though and the animal doesn't have a chance. Like chasing a dog around your yard.
I don't go for it but I guess some people do. What they do is their business. Just let me hunt the way I like to hunt and don't screw it up for me.
The only thing that gets me is when these guys do get a big bull or buck on a high fence hunt they act like they really did something. Maybe not all of them but most of the ones I've witnessed. What did you do? You basically drove out into a freaking field with this animal standing there looking at you while you plug him. Might as well go shoot a damn moo cow.
dutch
" Man who excels at putting worm on hook is Master Baiter"
 
what is the difference in hunting an island or a high fence? you say one is a challenge and one is not? THE DEER CANT GET OFF SANTA ROSA ISLAND!!!!!! OR ANY OTHERS HOW IS THAT A CHALLENGE?
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-05-05 AT 10:05AM (MST)[p]Grandslammer,
Don't think you'll be taking that Grandslam behind a fence. Them Dalls & Stones are in God's Country, No Fences Here!


YOU ARE RIGHT I DIDNT TAKE MY GRAND SLAM IN A FENCE. BUT FOR YOUR INFO THER ARE A FEW HIGH FENCE RANCHES IN CANADA THAT YOU CAN TAKE THE WHOLE SHEEP SLAM IN, DESERT RMBH, DALL AND STONE AS WELL AS CALIFORNIA BIGHORN.
 
I HAVE SEEN SOME SMALL PLACES AS WELL AS SOME HUGE PLACES, I WOULD NEVER CALL HUNTING IN A HUGE HIGH FENCE THE SAME AS HUNTING AT THE ZOO.

HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A LARGE HIGH FENCE RANCH?
 
I AGREE W/ YOU SOME RANCHES ARE LIKE THAT. BUT I WOULDNT CALL DRIVING INTO A 10,000 PLUS ACRE RANCH SHOOTING A DEER IN A PASTURE
 
I think there are some points being missed here. The issue with high-fenced hunts don't only revolve around the issue of decent fair chase. There are also issues about potential for genetic manipulation (this is a huge portion of the problem), hunt vs. guaranteed kill, whether management falls under F&G or Agriculture (livestock), risk vs. benefit when considering disease transmission, etc. Involves a lot more than just whether or not you "feel good about the hunt" or not.
 
If I had the money, I think they would great for some broadhead and ballistic performance testing.......so I would know what to use on a REAL hunt......
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-05-05 AT 11:05AM (MST)[p]DUDE HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A HIGH FENCED RANCH? SO YOU ARE MORE OF A MAN IF YOU DONT HUNT INSIDE A RANCH THAT IS HIGH FENCED?

THE PELONCILLO RANCH IN SOUTH TX IN 113,000 ACRES, THE ENTIRE RANCH IS FENCED. YOUR TELLING ME THAT A HUNT FOR W/T IS CANNED? YOU COULD WALK AROUND FOR A MONTH AND NEVER SEE A FENCE. COME ON GUY, THAT IS HUGE, THERE ARE PUBLIC HUNTING AREAS OUT WEST THAT ARE SMALLER THAN THAT. I DONT KNOW THAT YOU HAVE A CLUE AS TO WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. IF YOU ARE GOING TO TALK I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FACTS, NOT FEELINGS.

IN TEXAS AS WELL AS SOME OTHER STATES THE RANCH OWNERS OWN THE WILDLIFE, THERE ARE NO DRAWS, 90% OF THE LAND IS PRIVATELY OWNED, WHICH MEANS THAT THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WOULD LIKE WITH IT.

LOOK AT THE FACTS, 99.9% OF THE LARGER HIGH FENCED RANCHES HAVE IMPROVED THE DEER HERDS. WHERE AS OUT WEST IN SOME AREAS THE PUBLIC HUNTERS HAVE SHOT OUT ALL OF THE DEER.

I LOVE THE DRAW SYSTEM IT PROTECTS THE WILDLIFE POPULATION AS WELL AS GENETICS. THEY SHOULD MAKE EVERY THING A DRAW OUT WEST.
IN STATES THAT ALLOW HIGH FENCES THOSE DEER HERDS ARE PROTECTED.

I AM NOT SAYING THAT ALL OF THEM ARE USED PROPERLY BUT I AM SAYING THAT WHEN THEY ARE, THEY ARE GOOD FOR THE WILDLIFE.
 
grandslmmer, I thought you were against high fences? This is your quote " I am not for high fencing." from another thread? Which is it?
 
Whatever size the ranch is it's still a high fence surrounding it. Hunt them in the high fence nobody cares there hunters too. As far as any kind of record book entry on a high fence canned hunt it shouldn't be allowed!
 
why do you care what we think. I wish there was some way to prove your identity because you type alot like bwana1(actually almost identical). We just had a discussion in a 90 post topic about high fenced ranches, you want to know what we think about them go read it. Oh wait you were also involved in that conversation, so why are you asking again when our views and points were already discussed. Not mad just wonderin why you need another post about high fenced ranches when you all ready know what the majority of this site thinks reguardless of facts.

Please explain!
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-05-05 AT 02:32PM (MST)[p]"I AGREE W/ YOU SOME RANCHES ARE LIKE THAT. BUT I WOULDNT CALL DRIVING INTO A 10,000 PLUS ACRE RANCH SHOOTING A DEER IN A PASTURE"

They are still in a fence and unable to escape, odds are in your favor. Like I said, if this is your style of hunting so be it. But these are just some of the reasons I hunt, fair chase amongst many others. I just wouldn't feel good with a fence around me, whether it was 10 acres or 50,000.
I'm definitely not saying I'm more of a man or whatever, it's just 2 very different styles of hunting. I won't try to judge and say high fence hunts are wrong. I just feel they take away some of what hunting REALLY is.
;o)
dutch
" Man who excels at putting worm on hook is Master Baiter"
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-05-05 AT 04:41PM (MST)[p]i am not for high fencing a small pasture but large tracts of land are fine, actually if its your land i dant care what you do with it. your land your wildlife.

there is also a ranch in austrailia that is over 1 million acres the entire ranch is fenced, is that fair chase. you give me facts and i'll shut up. but please tell me what you know, not what you think!
 
there is a way to prove it. I will tell you that he is my employer. if you click on the icon by my name it will show you that these post come from the same IP address.
 
The facts are....its FENCED. Therefore, taking the word "fair chase" out of the scenario. To each their own, but no matter if it's 10 or 100,000 acres its still fenced. Hunting started with primative man chasing animals in the wild. It didn't start with man enclosing a certain amount of acreage making it impossible for the animals to escape, ensuring an easier kill. It also makes for the spread of disease, which threatens the "wild" animals that the rest of us hunt. There's one fact here and it's in the first sentence of my post. It might be a preferred style of hunting by some, but I would never call it true hunting.

Bowhuntr
 
I think it is a question of morals. even if a ranch is a millon acers they are still fenced in and just dosent make it true hunting, i feel the same about food plots and all things like that i think it should be fair chase on wild game.
Muley Man!
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-05-05 AT 05:44PM (MST)[p]now where do you get that a high fence makes for the spread of disease????????? that is about the dumbest thing i have ever heard of. did you read the part where i said i am a wildlife biologist?

a fence does not cause disease and if a deer had a disease wouldnt that fence contain it.

CWD does not come from high fences just like gays are not the only people that contract the hiv virus.(they are still spreading it)

how can you say that it spreads disease.
how can you justify that it is easier to kill a deer just because a fence goes up. are you telling me that it is easier to kill a deer that is in a 1 million or 100,00 acre high fenced ranch? if you guys tell me that then you are the one with the big head. you are the one that thinks you are some great white hunter and you are completly crazy.
 
this has nothing to do with morals, you should read your dictonary more often. one milion acres is a lot of f%$#king land. its more than most of your entire hunting units out west.
 
gee wilickers, in yur frst post you asked us what wi thunked, now yu want to no factz. I guess your edecation far surpasez me. I am prububly to stupid to understand.
 
we can settle this once and for all if your lazy and fat and cant acttuly hunt then go to the high fences and shoot a tame animal. if your a real man and actualy want to hunt and stalk game then go on public land. its that simple
Muley Man!
 
god dang you are really acting like an idiot.

THOUGHTS ARE BASED ON FACTS!!!!!!!!

I GUESS YOU HAVE NO FACTS YOUR JUST TALKING ABOUT YOUR POOR LITTLE FEELINGS
 
If you are a biologist, maybe you should read the book Wildlife Conservation Policy by Val Geist and Ian McTaggart-Cowan. It goes into complete detail on how "High Fenced Ranches" spread disease. These 2 guys are the top ungulate biologists in North America and in this book they have compiled essays from many of their colleagues. Judging from your comments here, I think you would find the book very eye opening. Definately not in Laymans language though. ;)
 
BTW,
I'm sure that hunting some HighFenced opporation in Sask or Alberta where you can kill all the NA sheep sure would be fun. Mountain sheep, not on a mountain. Mountain sheep being hand raised, and sent to the slaughter when someone picks them out of the line up. Sure sounds like a Great Hunt now don't it? You may call it a Grand Slam, but no one else would.
 
grandslammer,

I believe you are educated beyond your intelligence.

JB

...does inteligence have 2 L's or 1 ??

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."
--Benjamin Franklin 1759
 
Thoughts are based on experience, livelyhood, personal feelings, and sometimes facts. That doesnt make sense to say all thoughts are fact, so you are telling me that everything I think is based on fact. I must be pretty damn intelligent. When you manage your cow herds you are trying to make more of a product, more efficient, better milk producers, better overall healthier cattle. Sounds to me like thats the same things as managing (A.K.A deer farming)deer herds in a fenced area reguardless of size of the friggin ranch. You say this 1 million acre ranch is fenced and that is bigger than some of our hunting areas, well thats not what we were talking about, yours is still fenced ours run free no matter how small of area if you dont know what roaming free means that is where the animals are allowed to roam where ever they want, whenever they want. B&C will not accept game animals from ranches, pope and young wont eaither, oh wait The safari club international will accept game ranches, are you sure it wasnt one of your relatives that got it started?

You got your awnser, We dont like um quit whinning about facts because you asked what we thought and we told you. There are probably doezens of sites dedicaded to the horrificlly tough sport of fenced hunting. I get on this site because it formost network of information for hunting in the west. I live in the west, plan on doing it my whole life(hopefully have my own cow/calf operation someday) because there is not a better spot on earth. Call me crazy for not wanting to leave. Oh you are right I guess I have always wanted to try and survive a hurricane or a tornado, or major earthquake or massive flooding or build a house in hurricane alley or live in a monsterous metropolitan city. un uh I live in the greatest place on earth and in that place we dont have high fenced ranches managing game so some CEO from google can go kill a 200 inch whitetail the first day he ever touched a gun. That aint right and you know it whether or not you admit it. High fence ranches humanly alter deer movement while at the same time you are farming for the best animals. I know diseases are also a problem but dont know enough to elaborate. Those my friend are the facts!
 
Grandslammar, I REALLY REALLY tried to ignore this post, but I am pretty confident if I hiked around 113,000 acre pen for a whole month I would most certainly be seeing the fence many times, unless I had very poor eyesight and took very very very tiny steps. OK, thats all, Im not looking at this post anymore-
Bittersweet (or you can all me DUDE if it tickles your fancy)
 
WHY WOULD YOU BASE YOUR THOUGHTS ON SOMETHIG YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT? IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO HEAR THE FACTS FIRST
 
Go and tell Wisconsin and New York that game farms don't spread disease (CWD specifically)....I bet their biologists would disagree.....
 
I suppose there would be a large enough fenced in area that I would not consider it canned hunting, but I don't know what that would be.

Grandslammie strikes me as one of those guys who will argue any point just to argue. I think all of us agree on what "high fence/canned hunts" are and most agree that "real hunters" would not go on one.
 
YES YOU ARE RIGHT THAT GAME FARMS DO; IMPORTED EXOTICS, ELK AND SOME FARMED W/T.

THIS OTHER GUY SAID THAT HIGH FENCES CAUSE THEM, THIS IS WRONG. JUST HIGH FENCING A TEXAS RANCH GIVES NO CAUSE FOR CWD
 
YOU KNOW THERE HAS TO BE A LIMIT ON SIZE I AGREE, BUT I DO NOT AGREE THAT ALL HIGH FENCED RANCES ARE CANNED HUNTS. I HAVE BEEN ON 10,000 ACRE PLUS RANCHES THAT THE HUNTING IS VERY HARD.

I HAVE BEEN ON SHEEP HUNTS IN SOME OF THE WILDEST AND MOST REMOTE PLACES IN THE WORLD DOES THAT MAKE ME A "REAL HUNTER"? AND SINCE I HAVE HUNTED ON A HIGH FENCED RANCH DOES THAT MAKE ME A LESSER MAN?
I AM NOT TRYING TO BE A JERK I JUST THINK THERE ARE LIMITS TO EVERYTHING, I ALSO THINK THAT SOME PEOPLE TALK WITHOUT KNOWING A DAMN THING ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.

ALSO SOMEONE MADE A COMENT ABOUT SAFARI CLUB INTERNATIONAL, THEY ARE FIRST FOR HUNTERS, AND THEY SPEND THE MOST AMOUNT OF MONEY CONSEVING WILDLIFE AS WELL AS PROTECTING OUR RIGHTS AS HUNTERS. SO WHY ON EARTH WOULD PEOPLE BAD MOUTH THEM?

WE ALL HAVE TO STICK TOGETHER WHEN IT COMES TO HUNTING. I PROMISE YOU IF THE ANTI HUNTER BAN HIGH FENCES...THEY WILL NOT STOP THERE THEY WILL COME AFTER ALL OF IT NEXT. THAT IS WHAT AMERICA IS ABOUT ...FREEDOM, AND THE FREEDOM TO MAKE CHOICES!!!
 
I agree....as stated, in Africa there are 100 sq. mile ranches that are high fenced and allow hunting.....

I would say 100 square miles would be considered fair....that's like 3 or 4 WY counties......
 
I didnt not bad mouth SCI, but they allow fenced game in their books. Shooting a fenced deer that scores 200 and was farmed and genetically programed to be that way is completly different than a 200 inch deer grown by mother nature. Is this not so??

A deer behind a fence does not deserve recognition, only a slap on the back for the farmer who grew him. Thats all you are really doing, just growing an animal like growing cows. You are humanly altering there feed, water and in a CONTROLLED ENVIRONEMENT. Its is different is a non fenced because there are so many more variables. I think you are mad because the majority of the hunting world rejects or dislikes the thought of fenced game ranches, you wonna know why. In an ever changing world there are few things that are unchanged. Hunting wild game reguardless of weapon is one of those few things that has not changed. Think about it rifles,bows, ammo, all of these have changed in the last 100 years but the game is still as free or sporting as ever. Fencing in the animals such as elk, deer, sheep or whatever, NOW THAT JUST AINT RIGHT!!!! AND I HATE TO TELL YOU BUT IT IS REALLY ANNYOYING TO READ AN ENTIRE POST iN CAPS!

Knowone cares how big because the ranch is, because you are accomplishing the same goals as the smaller ones only on a larger scale.

Man I hope this goes away soon
 
No kidding! Get this post out of here. If you want to go on your high fenced hunts, go on them. Nobody on this site is going to stop you. But when you get back I wouldn't expect alot of "congratulations" or "good job" replies when you post pictures.

No need to sit around here and argue with everybody on here about soemthing that most on here don't believe in. Give it up!!

Jaxon
 

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