Hunting Memories-In the beginning...

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How was it "in the beginning"- one of my fondest memories-long before Landowner tags, Guides, tag drawings, a proliferation of all kinds of hunting gear, GPS, Trail cams,etc.: My Dad and his friend barely fit into the cab of the 1937 Chevy pickup. In the pre-dawn darkness, my friend and I would bundle up in sleeping bags in the bed. I had one uncles" loaner 7x35 binocs, another uncles Stevens bolt action .30-.30 w/ open sights and a 3-rd. clip to use (my kid brother was a lefty, so he got to use the Model '94 .30-.30). If we camped it was mostly US Army Korean war vintage military surplus or JC Higgins camp stuff (Sears brand). At times, I even packed a 9-1/2 lb. .303 British Military rifle with a rope sling- pretty tough for a 4'11" 96 lb. 12-yr. old- I remember distinctly fearing the "kick" of any of these, whether it be at the range, or while shooting during the hunt. Also it was the greatest thing in the world, whether I filled my tag on a doe, spike, or a forky. In my 12 yr. old thinking, a 24" willow-horn 4pt. was a big buck.I think it was even several years before I really even glimpsed a "monster buck" Anyone have similar experiences?
 
This post sure brings back some memories. My first buck was taken with a Marlin 336 .30-30. No binoculars. Who could afford that? LOL. I finally got a pair after about 5 years.

There were a few guys who owned military surplus Jeeps. I guess they were the first ORV.

I had a JC Higgins 12 ga. pump shotgun. It was actually a great shotgun.

Eel
 
I remember the musty smell of my uncle's Korean war surplus army tent the size of a condo.

I remember the thick dust from the straw we layed down under the floor tarp.

I remember my Grandpa hunting with his 1917 Enfield and how I loved to pop up those sights and look through em.

I remember our old Tasco binos with a skinny plastic strap being all we needed.

I remember rubbing deer blood on the nose of our skittish horse to avoid a rodeo when the buck went on the saddle.

I remember my Mom playing and singing Gene Autry songs on her guitar around the deer hunt campfire.

I remember sitting on the mountain with Grandpa looking for deer while he told me stories of his battles in the trenches of France in WWI. (I was too young to keep up with Dad and uncles so Grandpa was my hunting partner and I loved it)

I remember all the bucks hanging from the camp pole after opening weekend.

I remember Mom seeing the biggest deer of the hunt eating our horse hay in camp while we were on the mountain. She didn't have a gun.

I remember when Dad said I was ready to carry a gun. A Win 30-30 saddle model. Boy was I cool!

Trip down memory lane...
 
All that sounds VERY familiar. I also remember the smell of the old canvas tents. We had to borrow and old .25-.35 for my youngest brother to shoot....all the riflings had worn out.

(It took me about 15 years to get a pair of binos.)

Good memories!!


Within the shadows, go quietly.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-18-09 AT 00:32AM (MST)[p]I look at the begining for me and it wasn't always great for me. My Dad and I hunt A zone or D13 where it is hotter than hell. Being young, my interest in "the hunt" wouldnt last but several hours. There were many times where I'd ask my Dad if we could go back to the truck early. Especially in A Zone on public land, there aren't a lot of bucks....or deer for that matter....in the area we live. I got bored of year after year not seeing much. Yes, I shot my first buck when I was deer when I was 12 and I probably shot 4 deer from the ages of 12-18. But, back then, I wanted to shoot a deer everytime I went out. I guess that is how I thought or dreamed it would be. I feel bad looking back on it. I am thankful that my Dad obliged when I asked to go back to the truck and call it a day. I will oblige when my kids are able to hunt deer and they'd like to cut the hunt short. I'm thankful he didn't tell,"We didn't drive and hike all the way out here to only hunt 3 or 4 hours." If he had, I may not be an avid hunter today.

I remember the wool army blankets on me in the front seat of his 1972 Ford F150. You know the ones that itch your face really bad? His truck had a green vinyl seat that always seemed to be cold. I remember listening to the AM radio because that was all the old truck had. I remember my Dad making little comments about setting your feet down instead of just walking as normal. I remember him constantly having to tell me to walk quietly. My Dad is 65 and it makes me sad to think he'll probably only be hunting another 10 years...realistically. It'll be a sad day when I go on a hunt without my Dad. He's the only hunting partner I've had in 25 years. Everytime I'm out there though, I know I'll be out there because of him.

Steve
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-18-09 AT 08:05AM (MST)[p]Eel

I also killed my first buck -- a NY state whitetail with 15" spike antlers -- with a 336 Texan .30-30.

Here are a few vintage odds and ends, mostly from the mid to late 1960s.

First AZ deer hunting trip near Wagoner, circa 1962. The Chevy "woodie" wagon was my first hunting vehicle. The deer hanging in the tree was the only one killed on that trip -- one I also shot with the 336.

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These are from a couple javelina hunts in the mid-1960s. The truck is a 1953 Ford panel. I had pulled the 6-cyl. motor in that and replaced it with a completely rebuilt 292 CI V-8. Also changed the 6-volt system to 12. It was still white here but later was painted orange and white, as in the photo taken in a campground at Big Lake. The name painted on the front fenders was 'Miss Carriage.'

The '46 Willys Jeep is military surplus. I also pulled the motor out of it and completely rebuilt it with all new pistons, cam, crankshaft, etc. It was undergoing some bodywork and later was also painted orange.

I'm the guy in the brown cowboy hat.

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This was the next year after I had painted the Jeep.

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The painted truck

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These are from a 1968 hunt on the North Kaibab's East side.

Me with my buck.

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My hunting buddy, Roger, with our two bucks.

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The red/white GMC truck on the left had replaced the Ford panel truck by then.

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Lastly, Roger and my 11-yr. old son with his first big-game animal. He's now 45 years old. Be sure to take note of the effective camo!!

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TONY MANDILE
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After reading the other posts it brought back my earliest memories and it's funny how others like myself remember the smells. The first hunts I went on with my Dad were dove hunts and I can remember the mullen weed smell was so strong that it almost burned my nose. I was the retriver of many limits of dove and I was on top of the world getting to go hunting with my Dad and Uncles. My first gun was a 20 Stevens single shot that I got for Christmas when I was 8 years old and that damn thing kicked the crap out of me but I still shot it when I got the chance although I did not hit very many dove in the beginning. Funny thing is I always blamed the old single shot becasue my Dad shot a Remington model 11 semi auto so he would trade guns with me and my results were the same just burned up more shells.

The first deer hunt I went on I was about 6 or 7 and it was a family hunt and I can still smell the pines, canvas tent, the food that my mom and aunt cooked, the Coleman stove, all new smells to me even the interior of my uncles Buick station wagon. I was madder than hell because my dad and uncle didn't wake me up on opening morning to go with them and I had to sit with my mom on her stand which was a large stump about a 100 yards from camp. She wasn't much of a hunter but enjoyed going and the ironic thing is my Aunt shot a real nice 4x4 from her stand about 100 yards from my Mom and me. I will always remember the sound of the shot which was the loudest gun I ever heard go off and her screaming for my Uncle. She was shaking so bad she couldn't light a cigarette and was crying at the same time. I had never seen such a magnificent animal and couldn't keep my hands off his antlers. Both of their stands were in plain sight of our camp, this was up a Shaver lake above Fresno, CA and 4x4's were not common even then. My Dad and Uncle both shot small forkies later that day and I told them it served them right for leaving me behind with the women.

My first buck @ 12 years old was from Colorado that I shot with my new Winchester model 70 that I still hunt with today and I will soon be 58. My Dad took me along and I will never forget that trip as I killed small 4x5 that I hit on the run at 200 yards. Pure luck as I didn't shoot that well back then and I have to admit I still suck with a rifle and I much worse with a handgun. I was so proud of that little buck you would have thought it was a 200" monster and to me it was the best lookin' buck in the world.

Great topic and I enjoy reading the posts other MM members have shared. We seem to all have similar roots and memories.
 
>LAST EDITED ON Jan-18-09
>AT 00:32?AM (MST)

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>I remember my Dad making little
>comments about setting your feet
>down instead of just walking
>as normal. I remember him
>constantly having to tell me
>to walk quietly. >
>Steve


Steve,

My Dad was always telling me to "pick my feet" when we were walking. It must have drove him nuts between me making so much noise when I walked and asking non stop questions or complaing about being tired or bored, guess that's why he never shot a deer with me tagging along until I got older and stopped talking so much and making so much noise.

Jim
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-18-09 AT 08:58AM (MST)[p]This thread reminded me of a LAST SHOT column I wrote in AZ HUNTER & ANGLER nearly 24 years ago. My grandfather had died that morning, and a copy of the column went into the grave with him.

In the photos above, he can be seen sitting farthest from the camera in the B&W one with the deer hanging in the tree and standing in front of the tent between the white truck and orange Jeep with the other guy.


A TRIBUTE TO POP​


At some point in nearly everyone's life, another person ultimately will influence one's behavior --- conduct, morals, principles, ethics, whatever. My life was no different. Early on, my grandfather, Luigi Migali, became that person. Everyone knew him as "Pop."

Born in Sicily in 1891, Pop came to New Jersey as a teenager and worked construction jobs for most of his life. He battled through the Great Depression, saved enough money to build a house and eventually retired in the late 1950s.

Although the hunting opportunities close to home were meager, Pop made the best of them. Each year he hunted for deer in the hardwoods and farm fields of upper New York State, and on Thanksgiving Day custom dictated that he and the other men in the family spend a cool, autumn morning searching for a few rabbits, squirrels or upland birds.

The outings into the brightly-hued woods were only for grown-ups; I never went along with them. After learning how to shoot by sniping rats in a local dump, I eventually killed a spike buck on a hunt in New York State. I was 17 then and went with my cousin, who was also 17.

Although I never hunted with my grandfather back then, I spent a lot of time with him; weekend family gatherings and Sunday dinners typified Italian traditions. Because I was the first and only grandson, Pop might have played favorites. I'm not sure, but I do know we were always close.

Pop moved to Arizona with my parents in 1960, and my wife and I followed a few months later. At the time, he was already in his 70s. I had just turned 20. The hunting opportunities in our new home state excited us both. We immediately began a new relationship. In addition to being grandfather and grandson, we became hunting buddies.

During the time we spent together, Pop taught me things my urban upbringing precluded. He showed me the fundamentals -- the proper way to sharpen a knife, pluck a bird, field dress a deer and other things kids who had spent their early years in the outdoors probably had learned before they were 14.

I retained it all. But the philosophical things --- matters dealing with the moral or ethical side of hunting --- are what I remember most. Pop always told me, ?Obey the law and do only what you feel is right. If there's a doubt, don't do it.? I've followed that advice for more than 35 years now.

My two boys started to come along on our hunting trips before they were 10 years old. Their ?Papa? taught them, as well. Sometimes they still acted contrary to what Pop felt was right. When that happened, he corrected them, usually with his favorite short and to the point reprimand --- "Shame on you."

Like most youngsters growing up, my sons and daughter often shed tears as a result of a scolding or an insignificant hurt. Pop chided them with "Big boys (or girls) don't cry." That usually stemmed the flow of tears as it did for me throughout my childhood.

For 15 years, Pop accompanied me on every hunting trip. We scattergunned for fast-flying doves and flushing quail, crawled through the sage for speedy pronghorns, climbed the foothills for the elusive javelina and stalked through the pines for the majestic elk. And yes, we hunted mule deer, too; Pop relished it.

The North Kaibab usually produced venison for the freezer, so it became Pop's favorite hunting spot. I took him there whenever possible. In the early 1960s, Kaibab deer permits came easy. Later, however, after the drawing system went into effect, our hunting trips to the North Rim dwindled. If we failed to get a permit, Pop showed great disappointment.

Pop rarely was sick. The years eventually took their toll, however. A strenuous day in the field often caused him to experience severe leg cramps in the middle of the night. I would then climb out of my toasty sleeping bag and rub the baseball-sized knots in his thighs until the pain subsided. It never discouraged him, though. He endured the hurts rather than miss the thing he cherished most. Despite the fact his physical ability lessened, his love for hunting persevered.

While I spent my days stalking through the woods in search of good buck, Pop sat in one place for hours, waiting for a legal deer to show itself within range of his .30/06. Hoping to spook something toward him, I made a point of ending my day by circling toward his position. Sometimes it worked, and sometimes it didn't. I could always count on finding Pop where I had left him, usually leaning up against a tree or sitting on a stump, watching and waiting. He marveled at the fact that I covered many miles in a day's hunting.

When my boys were a bit older, they often came along on dove hunts, and the oldest, Keith, even went with us on a Kaibab deer hunt when he was 8. Pop had sliced an apple and made Keith put a couple hunks in his jacket pocket so the smell might keep deer from scenting them. He warned the boy not to tell me because I had already told Pop I didn't think the smell of apples in the Arizona woods was any better than human scent. My son, now in his mid-20s, and I still chuckle about it years later.

Due to family circumstances, Pop moved back to New Jersey in 1976, and quit hunting about four years ago. He then visited every summer, and if I had killed some game the previous fall, he went home with a box of meat. Yet, his heart remained in Arizona; he longed to return for good. Last July, he got his wish.

His stay was brief. On October 12, 1985, three months after he returned to the place he loved most, my hunting partner made his last stalk. He was 95 years old.

Without a doubt, he's probably watching me struggle through this column and saying, "Shame on you. Big boys don't cry."

Pop was rarely wrong. He would be this time.


TONY MANDILE
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Tony, that's a great story. It actually brought tears to my eyes!

Those whitewall tires on the '46 Willys are classic!

My first buck was in 1964. In CA a buck has to be at least a fork on one side to be legal. Dad and his buddy and I went out for the opener. This little forked horn walked out in front of me not 40 yards and I got him! The forks were only about 1 1/2" long but he was legal. I was thrilled and dad was proud. I got the only buck that weekend.

Coming home we had to stop at a check station that the F&G had set up. As we approached dad told me to handle it as it was my buck. We stopped and I got out with license in hand. There were two wardens on duty. One warden looked at my license while the other one checked my deer to validate (sign) the tag. The warden who checked my deer said "Those are awefull small forks. Are you sure you knew it was legal before you shot?" I said "Yes sir". He said "I find that hard to believe". Dad jumped out of the truck, got right in the wardens face and said "Is that a legal buck or not?" The warden said "Well, yeah it is." Dad said "Then I suggest you keep it to yourself and validate the tag. We have a long trip ahead of us." The wardens face turned red but he never said another word.

I was thrilled with my first buck but even more proud that dad had defended me. Dads are funny that way.

Eel
 
I am a bit overwhelmed with the response to this post. Thanks for the great stuff that was posted- it even brought back more and more memories, as I saw similar or mirrored experiences. This past Fall I was able to accompany my father (86) and brother (60)-I'm now 62- on a deer hunt in Northeast Nevada. A great experience for me- just more great stuff to add to the memories pile. Also as it was in the beginning, my Dad, my brother, and I...
 
I guess reading all these posts the common denominator is the time spent with family. Mines no different.

The earliest I remember hunting with my Dad I must have been 3 or 4?to young to remember much but still a few random memories. I remember being very confused (still the case) and the long drive early in the morning. I remember stopping at a road side caf?, the hot chocolate and other guys but no one else brought a kid. I remember dad buying a donut at the checkout, wrapping it in a napkin and shoving it the pocket of my jacket. The next thing I know we are crouched down in a bunch of cattails my dad says ?stay here?. It seemed like hours to a young kid but eventually he comes back and drops two ducks at my feet and says ?stay here??he's off again. I remember looking at those ducks ?thinking where?d they come from ??

I didn't grow up big game hunting. I grew up in the farm country of South Dakota and in the early years watched my Dad hunt. We always had plenty of white tail summer sausage, but along the way he got out of the sport. I suppose raising a family and working took most of his time, but we did have a lot of fun fishing, duck hunting and my favorite of all time, Pheasant hunting.

The first time I attempted mule deer I was 25 years old, it was 1989 and I was in Arizona. A friend from school and I had moved out here after graduation. I had my brand new Ford Ranger 4x4 ?loaded for bear??which included one small card board box in the back with a sleeping bag, a borrowed two man tent and a cooler with as many sandwiches and cans of Vienna Sausage as I could stuff in it. I ran by an Army Surplus store and picked up a set of used BDUs and had an old pair of work boots. My dad shipped me his rifle and I had my Western, 6 inch knife that I received as a Christmas gift from him when I was about 12. That was the extent of my gear.

We put in for unit 20 B and would hunt in the Bradshaw Mountains near Crown King. Second day of the hunt I was set up on a ridge looking over a small clearing with my back to a ravine. Just after sun up I heard running foot steps behind me, turned and noticed 4 muley doe making their way up the ravine. Hoping for a buck to be with them, I loudly ?clicked? the safety off and they bolted. After that humbling experience I was sitting back, beating myself up, when all the sudden they came back, slowly, browsing through the clearing and there was a buck with them!!! I drew up and placed the cross hairs on him?waited and watched?my heart rate increased and my finger tightened on the trigger?it was then that I really started to think?this was my first deer hunt, my first deer, and my first buck?I couldn't? do it?he was just a spike, of course at that time, being from white tail country I called him a ?two point?. I watched and waited and bid him farewell, 45 minutes later I heard a shot?turns out my friend, about ? mile away, took him.

While I was in Arizona creating a life, family, kid, job and pursuing all the material things that go along with it I, like my Dad also got out of the sport. For the most part, I made several lame attempts at connecting. Had one chance in 2002? in the Kaibab but was not successful. But, that got both my Dad and I excited all over again. He started back and was able to take several bucks, even getting into archery.

But it would be 2003?, 14 years from 1989?, several hunting trips and a small fortune in gear purchased before I finally connected. I had a rifle custom built and dialed in that would produce sub MOA groups (and I shot the hell out of it at the range thinking I was next Carlos Hathcock), GPS, Laser Range Finder, pricey binoculars on a tripod, super cool cammo and the latest high tech foot wear along with a fancy brand spanking new expensive skinning knife.

It was to be the first deer hunt with my Dad, the first time in South Dakota and the first time I killed a mule deer?and it would be the first time that Western knife drew blood, I left the fancy schmancy one in my pack . I wrote about the experience on MM back in 2003?. I've never been able to find that post since. The great part about it was I shot that buck from the same point my Dad killed his last one.

In the years since, I've applied and applied only to be unsuccessful. I was able to take a nice 6x6 Bull in Arizona unit 5A in 2005?, but have not had another chance at a muley.

Until fall of 2008?, the tag gods where very generous. I drew Arizona 12AW and South Dakota West River, the seasons almost on top of each other. Well, as the years have passed things change, my taste for a Monster Muley in the Kaibab was overwhelmed by my desire to hunt one more time with my Dad. His health has been deteriorating; several rounds of various cancers and age have taken a toll. I forgo the Kaibab trip and went to South Dakota. A snow storm blanketed the Midwest back in early November 2008?. The area we were hunting was snowed in. We waited several days missing the opener then decided to make the trip out. We slipped and slid our way 200 miles only to find there was no chance of getting off road. The area we wanted to be is 10 miles back in some buttes on forest roads, and snowed in. Tried using his quad but it was a no go. You needed a snow machine as Sarah calls them, to get anywhere. We attempted to walk in, the snow was crusted over and would break through with every step. Rather than blaze on ahead I decided to slow it down a bit and just hang out with Dad. So, we set up below a rise and glassed the valleys as best we could. About a mile in towards the buttes we spotted several muley doe browsing around. There were several young bucks with them slugging it out. We had a blast just watching them. I really wanted to close the distance with them, but was having too much fun just sitting there talking. Around noon we decided to get some lunch and the sun decided to make an appearance. As we ate and BS?d about the election, and planned for the next day?

It had been two years since I had been home. My parents built a new house on a lake and Dad being the way he is, made it no small task. One of the final projects was to put the deck on the back of the house, so we decided we'd had enough of the cold and snow and went home, only to work outside in the cold and snow. We managed to get all the high work done in a few days and then sat back and enjoyed the view from the warmth inside as mom kept us supplied with goodies and beer. When I say no small task, that damn deck is 53 feet long 14 feet wide. The killer is that it's at least 10 feet off the ground.

As I was loading up to leave, my Dad handed me a card board box about the size of one you'd get from the processor when picking up your animal. Inside was all sorts of sausage, sticks etc. Seems my dad drove all over town to the butcher shops and ?built? me a ?deer? to take home. LOL.

We'll be looking forward to next year.
 
The best time of year was getting out of school to go deer hunting. Driving 3 hours+ crammed into a single cab truck, my dad spilling his coffee all over on every trip, then camping for a week. Good stuff.
 
Great pics & read! I especially liked the camp photos and old Willys. We had one, and somewhere in my archived photos, I have a photo like the one with the crew in the jeep. We called it our "rat patrol" vehicle! We used it up until the early 90's in several of our deer camps. Had a starting glitch where we either push started or rolled downhill and popped the clutch- did that way for several years 'til my brother repaired her!!
 
You guys hit a subject here, I was raised out in the country, are family had a dairy, farmed, and raised beef cattle, there was always of plenty of things to get into, as I got older, 6to 8 yrs old I remember my Dad talking about fishing and hunting, so I stared asking him about his guns and fishing poles.He told me Iwas too little to shoot his guns, so that xmas here my first BBgun and that was it, then the single shot 410 from Sears, I'll tell you what I was the No.1 jackrabbit hunter. Now here's the sad part,my Dad was a hard working man, a dairy is all about 7 days a week 365 days a year getting up @1a.m. in the morning to get the cows in to milk and so on, what little free time he had we spent together weather it was playing or working. It was in Aug of 1968 I was 13 at the age when I was enjoying being with him ,it was in the afternon it was time to go out and get the cows in for the afternoon milking, we were walking together out in the pasture, and all of a sudden he was trying to talk to me and his speech was really slurred and he collapesed.Well to make a long story short he had a massive heart attack and that was it, I lost him. You guys that still have your pops around, enjoy being with them its something you will never forget.
 

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