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Nice try on HB2072. Using politicians to get access to big game tags. Bill would allow the selling of big game tags to SFW for the first time in history. No way, no how in this state. Get ready for a fight that will make USO look like a girl fight.
 
Just think of all the coyotes SFW could kill if you would just give them a chance and 5% of your tags. Oh yeah, they will also fix your deer herd in 3-5 years. Several warned the AZ residents of what SFW would do. Many in support of AZ SFW stated it would be different than Utah SFW. My prediction is this is the first time of many that they will try and get some sort of conservation/landowner tag system in AZ.
 
The bill has been put on hold. Not killed but on hold so they must have read a few of the emails. SFW will play hell getting a single tag in this state. I am sure Peay is buying plenty of dinners with Utah money. End up with fat politicians and still no tags.
 
Fight that tooth and nail. Conservation tags are like cancer . . . once they get a hold you will never get rid of them.

Hawkeye

Browning A-Bolt 300 Win Mag
Winchester Apex .50 Cal
Mathews Drenalin LD
 
lol and all the utah members eat it up. "At least the sfw is trying to do something!" meanwhile the money is being shipped out of state.. I dont know about where you guys work, but in my line of work (aircraft maintenance) simply trying isnt enough. If you cant do your job, you might want to look elsewhere. Wait ... isnt Obama trying? Maybe we should give him another 4 years!
 
Hey, they're not asking for much. What a joke....


17-347. Big game tags; sale in bulk to qualified nonprofit organization; definitions

A. Each year the department shall reserve certain hunt tags for taking big game species as specified in subsection b of this section for a qualified organization to resell rights to the reserved tags by auction and raffle at an annual sportsmen exposition in this state under the auspices of the qualified organization and at annual banquets in this state of any of its chapters. The proceeds of resale shall be used as authorized in this section.� Within thirty days after the effective date of this section, the department shall contract with the qualified organization that has made the requisite payment and advance deposit under subsection C of this section.� The original contract shall specify the terms and conditions consistent with this section for sale in bulk of rights to reserved tags, for the qualified organization to exercise its authority to resell rights to the tags at the annual sportsmen exposition and county banquets and for the department to issue the reserved tags after resale.

B. Tags whose rights are sold for resale by auction or raffle and that are reserved for issue by the department after resale shall be known as governor tags, legislator tags and sportsmen tags as follows:

1. Governor tags shall be reserved for resale by auction, shall be species specific and shall be valid for that species for any hunt area with any legal weapon for three hundred sixty-five days beginning August 15 of each year.� Governor tags shall be issued in the following numbers for all of the following big game species:

(a) Two tags for each of the following species: elk, mule deer, whitetail deer, bison (buffalo) and bear.

(b) One tag for each of the following species: desert bighorn sheep, rocky mountain bighorn sheep, pronghorn (antelope), merriam's turkey, rio grande turkey and gould's turkey.

2. Legislator tags shall be reserved for resale by auction, shall be species specific and shall be valid for any open season for that species for a specific hunt area with the legal weapon allowed for that season. Legislator tags shall be issued in the following numbers for all of the following big game species and apply to all of the following hunt areas:

(a) At least ten tags, and at least one tag for each hunt area, for bull elk in hunt areas that offer all of the following three types of hunts:

(i) Early archery bull elk hunts.

(ii) Either early muzzleloader bull elk hunts or early rifle bull elk hunts.

(iii) Late bull elk hunts.

(b) One tag for whitetail deer for each hunt area that offers late hunts.

(c) One tag for mule deer for each hunt area that offers a general season hunt and is located north of the Colorado river.

(d) Two tags for antelope valid for all hunt numbers as the commission specifies in any of regions 1, 2, 3 and 5 as in existence on January 1, 2012, except that both tags shall not be from the same region.

3. Sportsmen tags shall be reserved for resale by raffle and shall be valid for a specific hunt number.� Sportsmen tags shall be issued in the following numbers for all of the following big game species and apply to all of the following hunt numbers:

(a) One tag for each hunt number for mule deer and one tag for each hunt number for whitetail deer.

(b) At least twenty-one bull elk tags for early bull elk hunts as follows:

(i) At least eight tags for rifle bull elk hunts with at least one tag for each hunt number.

(ii) At least five tags for muzzleloader bull elk hunts comprising at least one tag for each bull elk hunt number.

(iii) Eight tags for archery-only bull elk hunts comprising one tag for each of the following eight hunt areas as in existence on January 1, 2012: 1, 3a/3c, 8, 9, 10, 22, 23 and 27.

(c) Ten tags for late bull elk hunts from the general season with not more than one tag in any hunt number as the commission specifies.

(d) Two pronghorn (antelope) tags from the general season comprising one tag for each of hunt areas 10 and 19a as in existence on January 1, 2012.

(e) Fourteen spring Merriam's turkey tags with not more than two tags for each hunt area as the commission specifies and with hunt dates occurring in April or May.

(f) Twenty-five peccary (javelina) tags comprising ten tags from the general season, ten tags from the archery season and five tags from the ham season as the commission specifies.� Not more than two of the twenty-five tags shall be for the same hunt area.

(g) Fifty antlerless elk tags as the commission specifies.

(h) Except as provided by subdivision (f) of this paragraph, the department shall reserve no legislator or sportsmen tags for hunt numbers that are exclusively for C.H.A.M.P. hunts, ham hunts or juniors hunts as designated by the department or for hunts assigned by the department only for bonus points.
 
Someone from AZ should post up who we need to email, call, etc. to make sure this bullchit is stopped.

SFW is totally out of control.

That group bitche$ and complains all the time about how anti-hunters are using the initiative process to harm hunting...really????

Seems SFW has taken a page from the anti-hunters play book...
 
Buzz if you look up the legislature here are the members of the commerce committee. Alston, Gray, McCune-Davis, Miranda, Pratt, Robson, Mesnard and Jerry Weirs who sponsored the bill. We are mobilizing a lot of hunters here to write and call and get this garbage stopped before Peay gets his way with the politicians. I figured when he opened up right after USO he would start his political games here. He is going to find out what a fight is all about.
 
I'm on it...already have the letter drafted and sent to Weiers...the rest will get the same.
 
Glad you guys from AZ are stopping this cause there is a whole bunch of ###### idiots in ut that love S.F.W.!

Yes i live here and havent seen a dam thing they have done and noone will tell you what they have done.



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NO WAY will this bill pass in Arizona! I'm glad our commission really stood up for us on this and shot it down.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-11-12 AT 02:33AM (MST)[p]hornkiller,
I think plenty have been on here and given factual information on exactly what SFW has done. They have been on here and said what they have not done.

You may not agree with the SFW that is fine and your right to do so. But to say they have done nothing and to say that NOONE will tell you what they have done is not true!

You should let the AZ guys know why you dont like the SFW if that is the way you feel. However it should be factual. Hellll just pull up your own posts regarding SFW and you will see answers given. Maybe you dont read them and thus believe no one ever answers your questions. This would actually explain alot about your posts.
 
That is just the Az. Big Game Commision -not the legislature that vote 5-0 to oppose these Az. welfare tags.

I do not see any Mandated percentage--% that SFW would have to use 'on the ground' or for anything else.

At least Utardville has a 90/10 --- 90% of funds raised on the sale of these welfare tags--- that HAS to go to some type of wildlife improvement.

Sad day for Az. hunters and into the future.

Robb
 
Muley i can set here and tell you i kill 40" deer every year and i kill 3 bulls over 380" every year If i dont show you proof your going to tell me im full of it right?

Same goes for S.F.W. I HAVE NOT SEEN A DAM THING THEY HAVE DONE ANYWHERE. You and all the S.F.W. lovers can tell me i'm blind and dont listen But i spend alot more time out and about than the average guy. I just havent seen any thing they have done or funded with all the millions they have been given!

how many chances or new plans do you idiots plan on giving these idiots?

I feel AZ manages there herds very well and i bet you money they have seen what S.F.W. has SAID they were going to do and how long and how bad they are failing at all there GOING to do list!!!



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SfFW believes in local control

Each state sfw organization is:

1. a complete separate legal entity
2. Has a totally independent board of directors electEd by sportsmen in their specific state
3. Each state keeps 100 percent of the money they raise in their state


So to try and link any state is not true in any sense of the word.

When their are issues of common agreement such as wolf delisting. There is cooperation
 
Don-if they are totally independent why did they try to sneak this one through using emegency measures and why is it exactly like the tag scam in Utah? How about opening your local meeting next week to all of us so we can give Weiers our feedback? This one just blew up in your face.
 
Don Your statement that board members are elected by the sportsmen is false. They are hand picked by you. If they were truely elected by local sportsmen you would be out of a job
 
Feelin' the love yet? I just wrote Weiers and told him he better get ready for a good hunter turnout next election.
 
"When their are issues of common agreement such as wolf delisting. There is cooperation"

Looks to me like there must be a lot of cooperation going on to have that Bill so similar to Utah. Even worse is how loose it's written as to what the monies generated can be used for. I smell a rat all the way from there to here in MI!!!
 
From what I can figure it is 200 rffle tags and I think about 54 conservation tags. Total of a little more that 250.
 
>Hawkeye,
>
>Is your role model Marion Barry???
>

Nope. Nor is my role model Don Peay. How about you Muley_73?

Hawkeye

Browning A-Bolt 300 Win Mag
Winchester Apex .50 Cal
Mathews Drenalin LD
 
In the event that you Arizona boys somehow get drunk on the SFW Kool-Aid and approve this proposal, please at least have enough common sense to require that the proceeds from these tags (or at least the vast majority of the proceeds) be used for actual conservation. That is more that your brethren to the North can say for our 200 Convention Permits.

That is, unless the goal is to further contribute to the massive "no questions asked" slush fund that the Utah legislature has created.

Hawkeye

Browning A-Bolt 300 Win Mag
Winchester Apex .50 Cal
Mathews Drenalin LD
 
I hope this lobbyist organization (SFW) stays away from Idaho. Their leadership sure does seem to know how to play the game behind peoples backs.I dont see how that could qualify as emergency legislation.I bet they had their fingers crossed hoping nobody would catch on. Its good to see people stand up against them.
 
Don 90% of what you say about wildlife and S.F.W. is a LIE!

I am glad these guys are stating what is true and you really are just about the money and tags!!

I hope S.F.W. burns!!!

Now get on here and say ok i will buy the next 3 guys a sheep dinner if they email me WAFJ you are!!!!



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LMFAO!!!!!! Ask AZ how long they have been a unit based system!!!! Now that post cracks me up. Classic feeding frenzy!!!
 
My comment was about cutting 13,000 public tags not about units.

M_73, seeing how your a classic SFW beotch, please explain to the guys in Az how this backdoor, Slimball Don Peay, BS is a good thing and how they tried to sneak this through for their own good because 65% of deer hunters don't know chit. BTW while your at it, please explain how Option 2 is going to grow the deer herd. Don't hold your tongue now.
 
shot,
I am not currently and never have been an SFW member. So I guess that makes me a bittch? WOW, class act clowny. You guys really do crack me up. Such a great representation of our sport!

I dont hold my tongue ever. I do however try and avoid talking out of my azz!

AZ cuts tags and manages their units very similar to Opt 2 already. They also cut tags when they see an issue. Look at the state wide archery in AZ...oh yes thats right, too much pressure on the Kaibab and they went to a draw.
 
This is from the Arizona Fish and Game's Website. There is a link in a prior post but I thought some would enjoy the full text. Good work Arizona! I wish that Utah could somehow close Pandora's Box:

PHOENIX ? The Arizona Game and Fish Commission voted unanimously on Jan. 10, 2012, to oppose proposed Arizona House Bill 2072, a bill that would have reserved a large number of big game tags for a ?qualified organization? to resell at auction or raffle.

As part of its 5-0 vote to oppose the bill, the commission also directed its representatives to ?clearly inform the sponsor and supporters of this bill that our opposition is not just to the bill as written, but to the entire concept of removing or adding any big game tags from the pool of big game tags available for the general public and transferring them to any private organization.?

In discussion leading up to the vote, several commissioners expressed strong concerns over the bill.

?We have a trust responsibility to manage wildlife for all the citizens of this state, and I see some real issues in this legislation that takes part of that away from us,? said Commission Chair Robert Woodhouse. ?I think we need to speak on behalf of all citizens of this state.?

Among the concerns commissioners expressed over this particular legislation are which organizations would qualify, how money would be spent, who would benefit, and what accountability there would be over expenditures.

Commissioners pointed out that the proposed legislation differs from current law that authorizes the commission to issue a small number of big game tags to nonprofit organizations dedicated to wildlife conservation. Awarding these tags is through an open and competitive process that allows the organizations to auction or raffle those tags. All the proceeds come back to the Arizona Game and Fish Department for projects that support wildlife management.

?Public trust assets must never be diverted to benefit special interests,? said Commissioner Norm Freeman. ?The language of the bill itself is fraught with problems, and the very premise should be discarded in its entirety.?

Chairman Woodhouse also made it clear during the meeting that neither the Arizona Game and Fish Commission nor the department were involved in the crafting of the bill, and this item has never been on a commission agenda.

Nine constituents representing organizations or themselves spoke in opposition to the bill. No constituents addressed the commission in the bill?s favor. Prior to today?s meeting, each commissioner had received many personal expressions of strong opposition from various members of the public.

HB 2072 was originally slated for a hearing in the House Commerce Committee on Jan. 11, but that meeting has since been delayed indefinitely.



Hawkeye

Browning A-Bolt 300 Win Mag
Winchester Apex .50 Cal
Mathews Drenalin LD
 
The bill is officially dead. Weiers met last night and he pulled the bill. He said he got a lot of ugly emails and calls. Now we can all work on making SFW as dead as this bogus bill.
 
LMFAO How do you like those apples don??

If you are so great for UT and doing such a great job for us why did AZ shut you down so fast???

Because you aint doing $$$$hit!!!!!


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WOW, I am impressed!!!

Looks like AZ has some game managers that actually get it.

Imagine that! Managing the PUBLIC RESOURCE for the benefit of the PUBLIC. What a concept.



"The problem with quotes on Internet Forums is that it is often difficult to verify their authenticity." - Abraham Lincoln
 
?We have a trust responsibility to manage wildlife for all the citizens of this state, and I see some real issues in this legislation that takes part of that away from us,? said Commission Chair Robert Woodhouse. ?I think we need to speak on behalf of all citizens of this state.?

?Public trust assets must never be diverted to benefit special interests,? said Commissioner Norm Freeman. ?The language of the bill itself is fraught with problems, and the very premise should be discarded in its entirety.?

WOW, this is a huge contrast to current Utah management and further indicates to me that wildlife management in Utah has been hijacked by trophy hunting groups.

I can see some benefit to auctioning off high dollar tags as the revenues can be amazing; however, there is no reason the state needs to go through a private organization.

Congratulations to Arizona. I'm jealous.

osok,

That's got to be the best Abe Lincoln quote ever.
 
At least you Az. guys have some major size--influence balls-- as us Utards basically give it up for that 'chance' after all the bullchit for the money crowd and political donation crowd to jump to the front of the process line to hunt year in--year out as we wait for years to hunt one species---and our kids will basically NEVER hunt a LE or OIL species in 'tardville.

How did we become so freaking WEAK as men in 'tardville is beyond me.

Robb
 
Man I really wish the politicians and DWR in Utah would pull
Their heads out of their collective asses. SFW in Utah is unfortunately
Like the roach infested dwelling. You get to one politician or
Wildlife Board member just in time to have another one become
Infested.

The only way to completely insure an infested dwelling is roach
Free is to send it up in flames.

Way to go Arizona!!! Throw the book at the poaching game
Thieves in Alaska. Unfortunately Utah is terminal.

Lumpy, you still wanting to hitch your rig to these horses???




2010 TOTALS
P.E.T.A. = 0 HUNTERS GONE
UTAH WILDLIFE BOARD = 13,000 HUNTERS GONE
 
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PEAY-- please post the by -laws of any of the state sfw's for us all to see- you can't because their are non

1.- to be legal you need by-laws

2. members pay $$$$ just to join -- directors are appointed not elected

3. where are the records that show how much $ were raised and where it is spent ?

sfw is a joke run by corruption- to futher sfw members and directors - period !

you think you are the GURU of screwing over the sportsmen of the west!




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MM .... piont blank!!! I know you will not get a answer because that is all they are corruption at its finest!!!


DON PEAY THE NEXT BERNIE M.




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LAST EDITED ON Jan-14-12 AT 07:51PM (MST)[p][

well we need to take it the next step and get this other sfw guy - gilstrap off the state commission which basically gives the list of names for the governor to appoint members of the g&f commission -

Zappy was against us - brewer is in our favor but she can only appoint off the list given/ recommended by this 5 man comission - we need to get rid of this guy gilstrap before its a problem .
this wife susane is the lobbist/cunsultant and responsable for drafting this bill for azsfwc that got paid huge ammounts the last few yr,- the only paid member i might add - tax record for 4 yrs 06-09 show an amount of 348,000 paid in management / professional - lobbist cunsultant fees!!

we need to act soon on this issue !!! GILSTAP is PEAVY'S guy here in AZ.

MARK MY WORDS OF WARNING !!
 
I seldom chime in on the forums, but I think everyone should look at the this organization and who is on the board and remember these names. Also do a little checking and see if they have any other dirt on them when it comes to wildlife or hunting issues.
 
I see SFW Utah gave grants to SFW Idaho, SFW Wyoming and SFW New Mexico in 2009. I can't wait to see the tax returns and how much they granted to SFW Arizona in 2010 and 2011. Nice of Don and the boys to spread the wealth with their non-affiliated entities.
 
So you know. Arizona sportsmen For Wildlife has nothing to do with Sportsmen for fish and wildlife. They patterned there organization after Utah SFW but they are not the same organization. If there is a question, call them and find out for yourself.
 
Here's my stance on the entire issue. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

I say conservation tags are good. Could you imagine what a unit 10 rifle elk tag would sell for?

Why can't the game and fish sell these tags themselves and then set up a separate bank account for the funds generated where 100% of the money raised went back into habitat etc?

Why does the sfw who apparently mismanages funds and refuses to show transparency on them have to sell them?

I'm not against conservation tags but I'm not convinced that sfw is using these for wildlife either.

Main point is why arizona can't auction off their own limited number of tags to benifit wildlife with 100% of the funds generated?
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-15-12 AT 03:47PM (MST)[p]>So you know. Arizona sportsmen
>For Wildlife has nothing to
>do with Sportsmen for fish
>and wildlife. They
>patterned there organization after Utah
>SFW but they are not
>the same organization. If
>there is a question, call
>them and find out for
>yourself.

Birdman, you continue to dig yourself a deeper and deeper hole. But hey that's alright because you can just go back and edit your posts to cover up your mistakes.

For anyone to lay claim "Arizona Sportsmen for Wildlife has nothing to do with Sportsmen for Fish and Wildlife", they could not be more misleading. Yes their organization entities may be seperate on paper, but make no bones about it, Don Peay has major influence on all the various state chapters. Both up front and behind closed doors (of which there are many).

Just one of many examples -
Arizona is no different than Alaska or any other chapter:
http://www.themudflats.net/2011/11/16/a-disaster-for-alaskas-department-of-fish-and-game

In this case trading political appointments for auction tags.
 
ZIM I know that you refuse to understand as do others. Don Peay started Sportsmen for Fish and Wildlife. Arizona that you are refuring to is called Sportsmen For Wildlife. A different name and a different group. Sportsmen For Fish and Wildlife does not have a chapter in Arizona. Totally different all together. If you do not beleive that is your right. I just know that it is easier to look up the group, make a phone call, and go from there. They will tell you that they are not part of Sportsmen for Fish and Wildlife. They have nothing to do with that group or Don Peay. They started this group 4 of 5 years ago patterned after Sportsmen for Fish and Wildlife. You do not have to beleive at all. But if you do not check, make the phone call, I did, and see then you will be going down the wrong path blaming Don Peay and Sportsmen for Fish and Wildlife for something that they are not involved in. I am sure that you would like to make the record correct.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-15-12 AT 08:24PM (MST)[p]birdman,

Yeah, why dont you ask the AZSFW guys if Don Peay visited with them and hand picked the people to serve as board members.

If I were a board member of AZSFW, I'd also be denying that Don Peay was involved as well. There is NO question that Don has played a huge role in every SFW chapter in the country...WY, MT, NM, AZ, UT, CO, ID, etc.

I think you should stay off the phone...and these topics.
 
Birdman, I suppose you're going to claim Don Peay had nothing to do with Alaska SFW too...................................

READ THE ARTICLE - Don Peay even BRAGGED ABOUT IT!!!

Either you're on crack or you're a SFW board member flown in by DP himself for bad damage control.


"At the time of his appointment, Rossi was a founding member of Sportsmen for Fish and Wildlife, and a statewide spokesman for its sister organization, Sportsmen for Habitat, a group based in Utah and founded by Don Peay.

Don Peay openly bragged in SFW?s fall newsletter that ?our members are politically positioned to help SFW,? and Corey Rossi has wasted no time paying back his political debts. He gave out four of the 11 governor?s permits to Don Peay?s organization this year.

As the director of the Division of Wildlife Conservation, Rossi has sole discretion in doling out these special hunting tags, called ?Governors permits.? It's one of the benefits of his appointed position. These organizations then ?auction? or ?raffle? these tags at their national conventions in places like Reno, Las Vegas, or Salt Lake City.

One of the recent permits Rossi gave to Don Peay?s group is for a bison hunt located in Wrangell St. Elias National Preserve. This coveted bison tag is virtually impossible for the general public to get. In fact, the Fish and Game advise the public that their odds of receiving this particular draw permit is only two percent each year. In 2010, a total of 22,637 people applied for Alaska bison tags which generated over a quarter million dollars for the Fish and Game in application fees."
 
He has been on the koolaid to long and will tell us all don is god!

Don is to chicken $$$hit to get on here and try to dig himself out of the ever growing hole he is digging.

Is this someone we as hunters are wanting to decide what happens with our animals?



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Not claiming anything that is not fact on the Arizona group. They have nothing to do with Sportsmen for Fish and Wildlife. Nothing at all. There group is Sportsmen for wildlife. Sportsmen for Fish and Wildlife has no chapter in Arizona. The group SFW Arizona has nothing to do with Don Peay. I called SFW Arizona and talked to them because on MM you all said that it was Don Peay and Sportsmen for Fish and Wildlife. The lady on the phone said they started years ago and have nothing to do with the group. They will tell you that they are a group that is named simular with Sportsmen for Fish and Wildlife. Again their name is Sportsmen for Wildlife. Now you guys can continue to make accusations that are false or you can go on their web page and get their phone number and call them and let them tell you what is what. Sportsmen for Wildlife is a group made up of smaller groups and part is the Turkey Federation in Arizona as well as many other smaller groups. This has nothing to do with Alaska and what happened there. Just that the name sounds the same. But then again there are some in this group who will blame anything that they can weather it is correct or not. Don't go by SFW but by the name. Sportsmen for Wildlife. Totally different. I know that no one will call as they do not want to admit that they are wrong on the Arizona issue.
 
As far as I know they were. There is no chapter of Sportsmen for Fish and Wildlife in Arizona. There is an organization called Sportsmen For Wildlife that is made up of lots of smaller groups. http://www.arizonasportsmenforwildlifeconservation.org/
The above sight will let you know what groups make up the Sportsmen For Wildlife in Arizona. There are lots of groups that I would guess have joined together to give them more clout.
 
That's fine that they claim they are not associated with the Utah SFW.
They tried to pull a back-room deal to set up an expo just like the Utah SFW tag grab.

This group may actually be worse than the Utah SFW since they pushed the legislation as an emergency. What a joke!

Floyd Green and Chris Denham better be doing some explaining before they ever see a dime of my money going to their business ventures (The Outdoorsman's, Western Hunter and Wilderness Athlete).
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-16-12 AT 01:49AM (MST)[p]Birdman,

Quit blowing smoke up everyone's a$$. Everyone knows Don Peay played a huge role in organizing the Arizona SFW as well as all the other SFW cancer clubs spreading across the west. He simply put the people in place and each operates on independently on paper. Don Peay greased Weiers to sponsor last week's rape attempt. Even the wording on the bill mirror's Utah's rape. Likely written by the same SFW attorney.

So easy to connect the dots a blind mad drinking SFW Koolade could figure it out.


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Here's an article on the front page of the AZSFW website, written by the executive director of AZSFW, who explains that she works closely with Don Peay.

http://arizonasportsmenforwildlife....ent&view=category&layout=blog&id=60&Itemid=89

"For those of you who have been following the wolf wars in Congress, I am pleased to report the first battle for wolf delisting has been won, primarily due to the efforts of Ryan Benson, Executive Director of Big Game Forever (SFW) and Don Peay, founder of Sportsmen for Fish and Wildlife (SFW). I have been working with both of these men for months.

written by.....Suzanne Gilstrap
Executive Director/Government Affairs Consultant for AZSFW"

So please stop trying to claim these orgs have nothing to do with each other. They all work in cahoots......by their own admission.

BTW - Funny how SFW takes credit for the wolf delisting in this article. If you know the whole story, you know what a farce this is. See Big Fin's post for details.
 
Just call them they will tell you don is not with them LMFAO!


Must be one of his ants down there ansering the phone.

"OW NO NOT DON"




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Anyone that was involved in fighting USO knows Don Peay did set up the SFW here and hired Pete Cemirillo and Suzanne Gilstrap to launch the branch here. Setting it up as a unique division is just a liability dodge. Don, you remember the meetings you held here to kick off the SFW? Nice try but SFW is SFW however you want to set up each state. Anyone in RMEF, MDF or any of the other groups want to chime in and declare Don Peay had nothing to do with AZSFW?
 
After reading several of the articles and looking at who's involved it seems to me that we are talking about 2 different organizations here. Is it just me or is there an Arizona Sportsman for Wildlife and also a Sportsman for Fish and Wildlife. These are 2 different organizations that exist in Arizona. Are we 100% sure that it's SFW and not SW that is responsible for the tag grab in AZ. Whoever it is they really thought they could pull the wool over on you AZ sportsmen and women. Some very disturbing information.


It's always an adventure!!!
 
I have documents that show how much $$$ SFW got from the 200 expo tags. I also have douments that show how much they spent on habitat and other projects. If you want it shoot me a PM with your email and I'll send it to you. The docs came from a MM'er named Hopper.



It was a big bodied 2 point. (this is my signature)
 
Might be a diffrent org but if don was involved in any way it is just the same as all his other money making plans!





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If it's Sportsmen for Fish and Wildlife then you know Don was involved. If it's the other group I would think not. I've read so much in the last 3 days it's all starting to blend together. I'm not defending anybody by any means, however, I do think that the situation demands, and is serious enough, that we get the right organization responsible. SFW has enough problems right now without getting the blame for things they didn't have anything to do with...if that's the case. Read it all again hornkiller and tell me what you think. You too Wapiti. Like I said, it's not very clear cut but it seams to me it's the "other" group but that may be my perception. And I know you want to read all that again!:)


It's always an adventure!!!
 

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