Splitting up points

[quest]

I wish utah would allow you to split up your points when you apply. This might end point creep… probably not. Example say I want to put in said unit that only takes 4 points and I have 8 I’d only loose 4 points. What your thoughts go or no-go?

 

[elkhunterUT]

No go for me. That definitely doesn't help point creep if you are maintaining some number of points even after drawing a tag.

If you draw a tag, your points are gonzo. No getting your cake and eating it too.

I actually think one of the best moves would be to simply make all points the same. No more bonus points for LE tags, preference points for general tags, etc.. A point is a point and you have to choose how to use them. All deer tags for the most part are "limited entry" already (i.e., draw tags), so just make people choose whether they will wait 25-30+ years for a premier unit or 1-2 points on a low tier unit that is currently a "general" unit.

 

[quest]

Gotcha

 

[Elkslayer1125]

No go for me. That definitely doesn't help point creep if you are maintaining some number of points even after drawing a tag.

If you draw a tag, your points are gonzo. No getting your cake and eating it too.

I actually think one of the best moves would be to simply make all points the same. No more bonus points for LE tags, preference points for general tags, etc.. A point is a point and you have to choose how to use them. All deer tags for the most part are "limited entry" already (i.e., draw tags), so just make people choose whether they will wait 25-30+ years for a premier unit or 1-2 points on a low tier unit that is currently a "general" unit.

This is fantastic idea, I’ve been hoping for this for years.

 

[Flatlander]

Points are dumb. Just another example of how Idaho is infinitely superior to Utah.

 

[roadrunner]

Points are dumb. Just another example of how Idaho is infinitely superior to Utah.

I drew an antelope tag for the first time ever because of a point system in UT...

Have bever drawn one any way else.

 

[elkantlers]

Utah's system is working just fine. It rewards those that stay in the draws for years, as well as giving everyone a chance regardless of points a chance to draw.

It's just a fact that there are not enough critters to go around.

 

[BrowningRage]

The only thing that can end point creep is with more tags available. Its like paying down debt. Right now, there are only enough bonus tags to cover a portion of the individuals in the top bonus pools. So you pay it down with the minimum payment, but the interest makes it higher next time around... and interest rates are high.

 

[Flatlander]

I drew an antelope tag for the first time ever because of a point system in UT...

Have bever drawn one any way else.

Cool story

 

[quest]

So what about you put in for unit and it only takes so many pts and you get back what you didn’t need to draw?

 

[roadrunner]

Cool story

I thought so. Hope it has a happy ending too.

 

[elkhunterUT]

So what about you put in for unit and it only takes so many pts and you get back what you didn’t need to draw?

Did I stutter? ??

 

[Flatlander]

I thought so. Hope it has a happy ending too.

You can always hope

 

[Robiland]

So what about you put in for unit and it only takes so many pts and you get back what you didn’t need to draw?

That means you used more points than were needed. Wasted points? No, just made sure you had enough points to draw. The other thing you can do is share your points with a family member that me be short a few points and go in together.

But splitting points when points are extra will do nothing to eliminate point creep. It will only make it worse.

 

[Utah400Elk]

There is a waiting period after you draw the tag. Are you proposing to keep your points through the waiting period?

 

[quest]

These all good questions. I’m thinking about someone who’s puts in for years and has all these points but not enough for the top unit and is pretty old and just wants to hunt. Is it wrong to be able to split these points up and maybe get a couple of hunts in?

 

[treedagain]

These all good questions. I’m thinking about someone who’s puts in for years and has all these points but not enough for the top unit and is pretty old and just wants to hunt. Is it wrong to be able to split these points up and maybe get a couple of hunts in?

That's not how we reduce point creep and move people thru the drawa

 

[quest]

Maybe give them a way out?

 

[Robiland]

Maybe give them a way out?

The way out is to use your points and be out. Draw and be gone. Or share your points with a family member. Your 10 points and thier 0 points to equal 5 and draw a unit tha5 takes 4-5 points. Pretty simple. 2 options.

 

[quest]

I do agree with you on sharing points. I’ve done this in the past. Maybe we can more than 2 options?

 

[lif]

Hunters are just buying points every year with no plan or objective to use them, and then complain that they can’t hunt the Henry’s because they finally have someone show them the math involved in point creep. If you acquired a shitload of points and don’t know what to do with them , that would be your own fault.

 

[quest]

Sure that makes sense. I had a brother that had a ton of points and did try to dump his points with his son on a different unit but it didn’t work out for him. It’s the luck of the draw.

 

[roadrunner]

Hunters are just buying points every year with no plan or objective to use them, and then complain that they can’t hunt the Henry’s because they finally have someone show them the math involved in point creep. If you acquired a shitload of points and don’t know what to do with them , that would be your own fault.

Which is why I'm cashing in on less "desirable" hunts and units. Never really had the intent to use them on the premium ones.

I'm glad UT has a hybrid-type of point system.

 

[lif]

Which is why I'm cashing in on less "desirable" hunts and units. Never really had the intent to use them on the premium ones.

I'm glad UT has a hybrid-type of point system.

Exactly. Me as well. I’ll hold onto points in a few situations hoping someday I get lucky, but most of my points are going to hunts I know I can draw every few years.

 

[schoolhousegrizz]

No go for me

 

[WapitiBob]

Worst idea ever thought up by a game dept; ie CPW.

Instant point creep

 

[Vanilla]

Quest: help me understand how keeping points after drawing a tag will HELP point creep. What am I missing?

 

[BeDawg]

The same amount of tags are given every year despite points or random. Just use your points on a lesser units instead of chasing premium units.

I don’t care how Utah runs their point systems or if they got rid of points altogether. I am going to adapt to whatever system is in place and hunt!

As for my opinion on it being a fair system or not, it is as fair as any other state if your educated how the system works.

 

[utcubby]

I wish utah would allow you to split up your points when you apply. This might end point creep… probably not. Example say I want to put in said unit that only takes 4 points and I have 8 I’d only loose 4 points. What your thoughts go or no-go?

“Only takes” it takes as many as someone has when they draw. How would you determine how many points it takes to draw a hunt in this scenario?

 

[roadrunner]

I wish utah would allow you to split up your points when you apply. This might end point creep… probably not. Example say I want to put in said unit that only takes 4 points and I have 8 I’d only loose 4 points. What your thoughts go or no-go?

What it would do is keep point requirements at bay, for awhile anyway. It's when the point usage is an all or nothing that causes hunts to go up in point requirements.

If a hunt takes 4 points in year 1, and there is no splitting points, it doesn't take long for that same hunt to begin taking 5, then 6, until it reaches 22 eventually. People pool hop when they realize they can't draw the hunt they wanted and change the point requirements going forward.

Splitting points will also keep players in the game longer instead of zeroing out when they draw.

 

[Deerlove]

Splitting points sucks I know people who abuse the system by putting friends relatives who never even plan on hunting in there just to purchase licenses for them and use their points when they do draw