MAGA On The Ropes

great story notdon, glad everybody's doing well. i believe, the more we allow the government to control us, the worse off we are. i hope this never happens but if one of my daughters chose to have an abortion, i would support her. i wouldn't be happy but i trust their judgement.

That's the point though, right?

Abortion started with RARE. A procedure used as a last resort.

60 million abortions since Roe, with public officials (Newsome) supporting up to day of birth, it's obvious that RARE flew the coup.

I have a daughter, I understand your point.
 
You really aren't that bright are you? Chicago, Detroit, St. Louis, New York, Baltimore, LA, etc and tell me their voting preference? Take out all the big blue cities and the numbers for gun violence goes way down. Doubt that? It's easily found per FBI and CDC data. Care to tell me which way most big cities vote?

It doesn't surprise me that you go to mass shootings when it's a very small percentage of shootings in this country.....and it's almost split between D and R but the data isn't reliable. Going by all the transgender shooters lately, not surprised because they aren't reported on by the media, a la KC. You default to that because that is what the media tells you to pay attention to. Nevermind that more people are killed in 1 year in Chicago than a 5 years of "mass shootings". I'm sure you believe "assault weapons" are a big concern?

You mention "common sense" gun laws. Care to share what those are? 17,000+ laws already on the books but I'm sure another one will really make a difference.

How about this law - We make it illegal to kill someone?


I'll leave you with this that I've posted on other sites, all data readily available:

For those that only get their gun info from headlines here’s a little perspective:

In 2022 there were 45222 total gun related deaths, which means with a population of 328m, that represents .0138%


of that 45,222, 54% were suicides, leaving 19,445


Of that 19,445, 1097 were shot by law enforcement. Another 492 were accidental shootings (the majority of which were under the age of 24)

Leaving 17,856

In those remaining shootings, 3% were made up of assault rifles , with what I expect is a very liberal interpretation of what an assault rifle is, along with 1% being shotguns. 54% were handguns, the remaining instances were not specifically stated. The number of people that die by assault rifles in this country are about the same as those who die of carbon monoxide. More than twice as many people die from hypothermia, 9x as many people die from dehydration, 11x as many people die from malnutrition.

While admittedly this is a meaningless stat, if you were divide the 17,856 number by 50 , representing the total number of states, that gives you 357, or an average of less than 1 fatal shooting per day in each state. Can you guess which cities really skew this data?

Looking at 10 traditionally gun violent city total numbers (some numbers were from 2021 but there shouldn't be a significant difference in totals)

St. Louis, MO - 196
Chicago, IL - 556
Detroit, MI - 293
Indianapolis, IN - 293
New Orleans, LA - 280
Washington, DC - 203
Baltimore, MD - 333
Columbus, OH - 173
Los Angeles, CA - 382
New York, NY - 246

for a total of 2955, or about 17% of all gun fatalities after removing suicide, law enforcement and accidental death in the United States.

While these numbers are concerning, based on these numbers, there doesn't appear to be an epidemic of gun violence in this country, and for the overwhelming majority, the reality of facing gun violence should be a much smaller concern than many Americans believe.

If you remove additional risk factors such as not living in the 60 counties that produce a high % of gun violence, do not interact with known felons and of course do not engage in criminal activities, gun violence in the daily life of an American is statistically meaningless. That's pretty cavalier to say to a country indoctrinated in the evils of guns, but even with increases in gun violence , its hard to argue fear of gun violence is a realistic concern for Americans avoiding those 3 factors.

It’s always been that way.

Btw- By comparison, A 2018 John Hopkins study found that over 250,000 people die from medical malpractice in the United States each year which represents .08% of the population. I also won’t get into the deaths just from fentanyl the past 2 years. Gun violence....a way for both D's and R's use for headlines and $$$$. Oh, care to tell me how many NRA members (mostly republican) have committed a mass shooting.....0!
Yet, guys like you would come unglued if there were 45,222 people dying every year in plane crashes. You'd be squawking about how unsafe it is, how we need to take actions, do something.

FFS, we have all kinds of safety requirements, tsa, faa, investigations when planes crash, plane inspections, pilot requirements, and on and on and on...all for 350 deaths a year, mostly from private aircraft accidents.

45,000 meh, nothing to see here, it's only .0138...

350 die in plane crashes....holy chit! We need to do more!
 
You really aren't that bright are you? Chicago, Detroit, St. Louis, New York, Baltimore, LA, etc and tell me their voting preference? Take out all the big blue cities and the numbers for gun violence goes way down. Doubt that? It's easily found per FBI and CDC data. Care to tell me which way most big cities vote?

It doesn't surprise me that you go to mass shootings when it's a very small percentage of shootings in this country.....and it's almost split between D and R but the data isn't reliable. Going by all the transgender shooters lately, not surprised because they aren't reported on by the media, a la KC. You default to that because that is what the media tells you to pay attention to. Nevermind that more people are killed in 1 year in Chicago than a 5 years of "mass shootings". I'm sure you believe "assault weapons" are a big concern?

You mention "common sense" gun laws. Care to share what those are? 17,000+ laws already on the books but I'm sure another one will really make a difference.

How about this law - We make it illegal to kill someone?


I'll leave you with this that I've posted on other sites, all data readily available:

For those that only get their gun info from headlines here’s a little perspective:

In 2022 there were 45222 total gun related deaths, which means with a population of 328m, that represents .0138%


of that 45,222, 54% were suicides, leaving 19,445


Of that 19,445, 1097 were shot by law enforcement. Another 492 were accidental shootings (the majority of which were under the age of 24)

Leaving 17,856

In those remaining shootings, 3% were made up of assault rifles , with what I expect is a very liberal interpretation of what an assault rifle is, along with 1% being shotguns. 54% were handguns, the remaining instances were not specifically stated. The number of people that die by assault rifles in this country are about the same as those who die of carbon monoxide. More than twice as many people die from hypothermia, 9x as many people die from dehydration, 11x as many people die from malnutrition.

While admittedly this is a meaningless stat, if you were divide the 17,856 number by 50 , representing the total number of states, that gives you 357, or an average of less than 1 fatal shooting per day in each state. Can you guess which cities really skew this data?

Looking at 10 traditionally gun violent city total numbers (some numbers were from 2021 but there shouldn't be a significant difference in totals)

St. Louis, MO - 196
Chicago, IL - 556
Detroit, MI - 293
Indianapolis, IN - 293
New Orleans, LA - 280
Washington, DC - 203
Baltimore, MD - 333
Columbus, OH - 173
Los Angeles, CA - 382
New York, NY - 246

for a total of 2955, or about 17% of all gun fatalities after removing suicide, law enforcement and accidental death in the United States.

While these numbers are concerning, based on these numbers, there doesn't appear to be an epidemic of gun violence in this country, and for the overwhelming majority, the reality of facing gun violence should be a much smaller concern than many Americans believe.

If you remove additional risk factors such as not living in the 60 counties that produce a high % of gun violence, do not interact with known felons and of course do not engage in criminal activities, gun violence in the daily life of an American is statistically meaningless. That's pretty cavalier to say to a country indoctrinated in the evils of guns, but even with increases in gun violence , its hard to argue fear of gun violence is a realistic concern for Americans avoiding those 3 factors.

It’s always been that way.

Btw- By comparison, A 2018 John Hopkins study found that over 250,000 people die from medical malpractice in the United States each year which represents .08% of the population. I also won’t get into the deaths just from fentanyl the past 2 years. Gun violence....a way for both D's and R's use for headlines and $$$$. Oh, care to tell me how many NRA members (mostly republican) have committed a mass shooting.....0!
Now do what % of people die at the hands of illegal immigrants. Yet, you want to sensationalize that and blame someone along with conservative media. Whats that number Flyjunkie?
 
@Oneye

How are we supposed to even talk about "common sense" gun laws when we have Democrats trying to talk about something they know nothing about? Watch the video below and I could post some real funny videos of people at 2A protests when they are interviewed about guns.....f*cking hilarious with how uninformed and utterly clueless they are. Kind of how I imagine having a conversation with you would be about guns.

Again, just stupid nonsense. Apparently I’m a liberal Democrat. Think I can show you how a gun works? Bet I can. It’s you who is f******* hilarious simply thinking things because you’ve been told that’s how it is. If I’m such a liberal Democrat, how do I own so many guns and know so much about them?
 
Yet, guys like you would come unglued if there were 45,222 people dying every year in plane crashes. You'd be squawking about how unsafe it is, how we need to take actions, do something.

FFS, we have all kinds of safety requirements, tsa, faa, investigations when planes crash, plane inspections, pilot requirements, and on and on and on...all for 350 deaths a year, mostly from private aircraft accidents.

45,000 meh, nothing to see here, it's only .0138...

350 die in plane crashes....holy chit! We need to do more!
45,000 aren’t dying from at the hands of illegal immigrants entering the country but they’ll sensationalize ever case as “look look this is Joe’s fault” as they try to brush off deaths by firearms in the country.

They’ll demonize individuals looking for a better life as “vermin” or “poisoning the blood of the country” but will brush off 45,000 deaths and defend an in-adamant object with a death grip.
 
@Oneye

How are we supposed to even talk about "common sense" gun laws when we have Democrats trying to talk about something they know nothing about? Watch the video below and I could post some real funny videos of people at 2A protests when they are interviewed about guns.....f*cking hilarious with how uninformed and utterly clueless they are. Kind of how I imagine having a conversation with you would be about guns.

Now let’s do stupid conservatives:


Cherry picking is easy my guy.
 
Now do what % of people die at the hands of illegal immigrants. Yet, you want to sensationalize that and blame someone along with conservative media. Whats that number Flyjunkie?
Don’t know but seems to be increasing everyday since Biden took office. It’s really just simple statistics. You let more illegals in through the border a percentage of those will commit crimes. I know that’s hard for you to comprehend but it’s just a fact.
 
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Don’t know but seems to be increasing everyday since Biden took office. It’s really just simple statistics. You let more illegals in through the border a percentage of those will commit crimes. I know that’s hard for you to comprehend but it’s just a fact.
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Have you ever taken a statistics class or have any common sense?

Let’s play a game, shall we? Let’s say there are no illegal immigrants in this country…how many crimes committed by illegals would we have? Let’s say we have a few hundred come in. A percentage would commit a crime, correct? Then let’s say we have a few thousand. Then hundreds of thousands. Then millions. See where this leads? Is that simple enough for ya? This isn’t hyperbole, simple facts. This cannot be argued.

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Vehicles are deadly too... maybe we should make common sense legislation to make it illegal to kill someone with a car. Background checks and waiting periods sound about right too. 🤡🤡
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drugs are the biggest problem in this country. according to cdc, more than twice as many people die from drug overdoses than gun violence. take away drugs and crime will almost go away. yet we don't see the president on tv crying about drugs, why? well it's not part of the agenda and probably many people in high places are making money from it. like i said before, gun control isn't about the safety of the public, it's about the safety of the government.
 
drugs are the biggest problem in this country. according to cdc, more than twice as many people die from drug overdoses than gun violence. take away drugs and crime will almost go away. yet we don't see the president on tv crying about drugs, why? well it's not part of the agenda and probably many people in high places are making money from it. like i said before, gun control isn't about the safety of the public, it's about the safety of the government.
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Don’t know but seems to be increasing everyday since Biden took office. It’s really just simple statistics. You let more illegals in through the border a percentage of those will commit crimes. I know that’s hard for you to comprehend but it’s just a fact.
Thanks. I noticed you didn't answer the question because you know the answer is an even smaller % than you are trying to defend on gun deaths.
 
Have you ever taken a statistics class or have any common sense?

Let’s play a game, shall we? Let’s say there are no illegal immigrants in this country…how many crimes committed by illegals would we have? Let’s say we have a few hundred come in. A percentage would commit a crime, correct? Then let’s say we have a few thousand. Then hundreds of thousands. Then millions. See where this leads? Is that simple enough for ya? This isn’t hyperbole, simple facts. This cannot be argued.

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Let's say there are no guns in the country. How many crimes are committed by guns? It is not us making the stupid points clown. We are pointing out how stupid your points are and how easy hypocrisy is the unmask.
 
Vehicles are deadly too... maybe we should make common sense legislation to make it illegal to kill someone with a car. Background checks and waiting periods sound about right too. 🤡🤡
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You do realize a drivers license, test, and driving test, along with recertification at certain ages is a thing right? Again, this is too easy. There are also different and more tests depending on the type of vehicle you are driving. You walked face first into that wall didn't you?
 
What do you have to do to be able to legally drive?
Oh I know I know. Tests, drivers license, driving test, different licenses for different classification of vehicles. These pdudes don't even see it before they walk right into it lol.
 
Driving is a privilege, guns are a constitutional right……learn the difference….
Do you have a right to own a fully automatic weapon? Requiring a test, or further background check or waiting period is not removing that right. Are you for removing background checks entirely? Then what are we talking about Homer? If it's an unimpeded right, shouldn't we remove every single gun law and let it be a free for all? Or....and maybe this....we are a civilized society based on laws and there are already banned guns and laws on guns in the US.
 
Let's say there are no guns in the country. How many crimes are committed by guns? It is not us making the stupid points clown. We are pointing out how stupid your points are and how easy hypocrisy is the unmask.
I nominate your sorry a** to go door to door collecting them.

2A - you’re not getting guns out. Idiot
 
Oh I know I know. Tests, drivers license, driving test, different licenses for different classification of vehicles. These pdudes don't even see it before they walk right into it lol.
Where in the constitution is the right to drive?
 
Do you have a right to own a fully automatic weapon? Requiring a test, or further background check or waiting period is not removing that right. Are you for removing background checks entirely? Then what are we talking about Homer? If it's an unimpeded right, shouldn't we remove every single gun law and let it be a free for all? Or....and maybe this....we are a civilized society based on laws and there are already banned guns and laws on guns in the US.
What law do you propose is going to stop gun violence?

Should we start mandating a test and background checks on freedom of religion or free speech?
 
I nominate your sorry a** to go door to door collecting them.

2A - you’re not getting guns out. Idiot
You're an idiot. I own a lot of guns, again, I'm showing you how stupid your point is, and you bite again.

Where in the constitution is the right to drive?
Where is your right to own a fully automatic weapon or not have to pass a background check to get a gun?

What law do you propose is going to stop gun violence?

Should we start mandating a test and background checks on freedom of religion or free speech?
A more stringent process to purchase ALL semi-automatic weapons. From AR's to Glocks. I don't support banning any of them, but I do support a more strict buying process for semi-automatic weapons. PS again, you have no right to own a fully automatic weapon. Do you support those being legalized? Do you support removing all background checks and processes to buy guns? My guess is you don't. Does having to get a background check or fully automatic weapons being banned bar you from owning a gun? Nope it doesn't. There are already processes in place to buy a gun that invalidate your point of "it's a right". It's a terrible argument. Because you'd never say no background check should be done to purchase one, at least I'd hope not.
 
It certainly is.....for citizens and non felons...what brilliant point do you think you are making?
 
Oh I know I know. Tests, drivers license, driving test, different licenses for different classification of vehicles. These pdudes don't even see it before they walk right into it lol.
How about all these illegal aliens, do you really believe they have a driver license.
Do you really believe most of them murders on the streets of Chicago, Baltimore and other large cities are killed by legal owned guns?
Do you believe these criminals that commit 99.9% of murders by gun would get a license.
 
Do you have a right to own a fully automatic weapon? Requiring a test, or further background check or waiting period is not removing that right. Are you for removing background checks entirely? Then what are we talking about Homer? If it's an unimpeded right, shouldn't we remove every single gun law and let it be a free for all? Or....and maybe this....we are a civilized society based on laws and there are already banned guns and laws on guns in the US.


Quick history lesson.

Automatic guns, mostly the Tommy Gun was banned because it was the favorite weapon of mobsters.

Mobsters, who came to prominence and into fabulous riches during PROHIBITION.


Prohibition being a law GOVERNMENT made to stop folks from being drunks. So, a black market rose up, fueling the rise of organized crime. As the criminals got firepower, THE GOVERNMENT made a law about that. Now, the GOVERNMENT would like to make yet another law(one of 20,000 something) they have already made to do what?

Make murder even more illegal.

Because, as we all know, if you just make murder more illegal, murder will end.


Notice they don't just hang murderers. Because, murderers have rights. We need to respect them, by imposing on the rights of NON MURDERERS.

That's liberal logic.
 
Driving is more of a "right" than some here think. Here's an excerpt from a lawyer arguing why driving should be strengthened via case law as a defined right...

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You may have heard the expression that a driver’s license is “a privilege — not a right”, and thus there were few effective remedies available to a driver who wished to contest a suspension. The U.S. Supreme Court changed that in Bell v. Burson, 402 U.S. 535 (1971), recognizing that a license’s “continued possession may become essential in the pursuit of a livelihood”. Because of their value, then, they are not to be taken away without that procedural due process required by the Fourteenth Amendment”. The Court premised its opinion on the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments protections that neither the State or Federal government can deprive a person of life, liberty or property without due process of law. Without this decision it is likely that the police would confiscate your license without any recourse in or appeal...

“The Supreme Court has identified two distinct categories of fundamental liberties. The first category includes most of the liberties expressly enumerated in the Bill of Rights. Through a process known as “selective incorporation,” the Supreme Court has interpreted the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to bar states from denying their residents the most important freedoms guaranteed in the first ten amendments to the federal Constitution.

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And if you don't believe me, try and imagine how quickly it would be declared unconstitutional if the government allowed some groups to drive, but not others, based on a class such as race, income, gender, etc...

That ban would quickly be struck down citing various parts of the Constitution. There are restrictions placed on certain rights (such as age for gun ownership), but that doesn't remove the fact that they're "rights" we all have with certain reasonable restrictions.

Even Freedom of Speech and Religion don't allow you to say anything you want or to break the law under the banner of religious beliefs. The fact that something is restricted isn't the defining factor of whether it's a right or a privilege.

In fact, some rights, such as voting, are prohibited from an individual by default unless that individual takes an affirmative action, like registering to vote in the first place.
 
Where does a journalist register?
There are restrictions on Freedom of the Press, too.

Fox News paid $800,000,000 to Dominion because that "Freedom" isn't absolute and FNC broke the law. They tried to say their lies were protected speech, but clearly they had overstepped those bounds.

Fox News gets to face Smartmatic in a $2,000,000,000 lawsuit next year for its continued lies about that company as well.

Freedom of Speech and Press are rights, but there are still restrictions on them.

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Rudy Giuliani filed for bankruptcy after being ordered to pay $148,000,000 to two women that he lied about. Freedom of Speech isn't absolute either.
 
There are restrictions on Freedom of the Press, too.

Fox News paid $800,000,000 to Dominion because that "Freedom" isn't absolute and FNC broke the law. They tried to say their lies were protected speech, but clearly they had overstepped those bounds.

Fox News gets to face Smartmatic in a $2,000,000,000 lawsuit next year for its continued lies about that company as well.

Freedom of Speech and Press are rights, but there are still restrictions on them.

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Rudy Giuliani filed for bankruptcy after being ordered to pay $148,000,000 to two women that he lied about. Freedom of Speech isn't absolute either.


Those restrictions are after the fact. There are laws against illegal USE of a firearm as well.

Registering guns is prior to exercising your right.

No one has to fill out a questionnaire and be subjected to a background check to be a journalist. Or a preacher(wouldn't hurt in this case I realize)
 
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Those restrictions are after the fact. There are laws against illegal USE of a firearm as well.

Registering guns is prior to exercising your right.

No one has to fill out a questionnaire and be subjected to a background check to be a journalist. Or a preacher(wouldn't hurt in this case I realize)
The law is in effect prior, the penalty is after.
 
Way To Hang Tough notdon & Family!

I Wish you All The Best!

My daughter went into early labor at 31 weeks and we got are first grandchild (boy), he weighed only 1.8 pounds and had 4 valves leaking connected to his heart. The doctors goal was get him to 4 pounds and 4 months old before open heart surgery. He had two procedures going through the groin trying to control the leaking valves just to get him to 4 months.
Just shy of three months and just over 3 pounds they decided they needed to proced with open heart surgery, Fixing 3 of his valves, one they will fix later when his heart has stopped growing. He spent 110 days in intensive care during COVID and my daughter had to fight with doctors and nurses that wanted to kick her out because of COVID, but she only left his side for 4 to 6 hours a day to sleep at Ronald McDonald house. He is now two and has had two more procedures through the groin, but he never stops running and can't get enough of cars and dinosaurs. He has grown so much he is above the 50% tile in hight and weight.
She says she can not fathom the thought of killing a baby in the womb after watching her son fight for his life everyday for more than 90 days.

Long story to say
Advisory builds strength and character.
 
The law is in effect prior, the penalty is after.

Again. Show me the federal questionaire, punishable by law for falsifying that a journalist must fill out prior to being a journalist.

We can keep spinning in circles, but we both know the answer.


We also know the goal is universal backgrounds, which by definition means every transaction, including among families. Otherwise a gun can be transferred without a background.



Now if we are going to have mandatory registration and background checks for voters, journalists, clergy, etc, then guns should definitely be included. Otherwise, only one right is singled out.

To be fair, I don't mind filling out the yellow sheet(flatbrimmers don't understand). I do mind the gov haven't access to a list.
 
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Again. Show me the federal questionaire, punishable by law for falsifying that a journalist must fill out prior to being a journalist.

We can keep spinning in circles, but we both know the answer.
Lots of federal forms are punishable by law if filled out fraudulently.

You can self-identify as a journalist all you want. You can also self-identify as a gun all you want. Or a frog? The government won't stop you.

However, the point is that yelling "Constitution" doesn't shield you from the legal requirements of journalism or firearms.

I honestly don't know what point you think you're making... that gun laws are illegal? that journalism is protected? that driving can be taken without Due Process?

You're spinning in circles and I see no end in sight.
 
Lots of federal forms are punishable by law if filled out fraudulently.

You can self-identify as a journalist all you want. You can also self-identify as a gun all you want. Or a frog? The government won't stop you.

However, the point is that yelling "Constitution" doesn't shield you from the legal requirements of journalism or firearms.

I honestly don't know what point you think you're making... that gun laws are illegal? that journalism is protected? that driving can be taken without Due Process?

You're spinning in circles and I see no end in sight.

Yes.

We do not infringe on journalists.

To be a journalist, even a paid journalist, there is no registration.

You own guns. You had to fill out a form.

Show me Anderson Coopers registration and background check to be a journalist.

Libel and slander are penalties for abusing the right.

Same as illegal discharge or brandishing are for guns.

Does it cost you $7 to vote? No. That would be a poll tax.

Yet, you are charged to use your right to own a gun.
 
Yes.

We do not infringe on journalists.

To be a journalist, even a paid journalist, there is no registration.

You own guns. You had to fill out a form.

Show me Anderson Coopers registration and background check to be a journalist.

Libel and slander are penalties for abusing the right.

Same as illegal discharge or brandishing are for guns.

Does it cost you $7 to vote? No. That would be a poll tax.

Yet, you are charged to use your right to own a gun.
Which proves that the test you're trying to apply is false.
 
What did you pay for your voter registration?

Here's the bottom line...

Your "rights" aren't absolute. There are restrictions on virtually all of them... even the right to life and liberty can be taken from you.

There are fees and taxes inherent in our society... if you don't pay them, your right to liberty can be taken. If you don't pay your taxes, additional fees can be charged to you. You can also be convicted of tax evasion and lose your right to vote... a "right" which is NOT granted to every citizen by default, but one that filling out a form is a prerequisite. If you fill out that form incorrectly, you can be charged with a crime and your right to liberty can again be taken.

If your claim is that the 2nd Amendment somehow means everybody can get whatever guns they want (or any gun at all) without reasonable requirements, you're just flat out wrong. This has been adjudicated beyond argument and even Wayne LaPierre and Jonathan Turley consider your argument fallacious and extremist. If you think you're required to pay a fee or fill out a form to possess a firearm, you've never bought one from classifieds or had one gifted to you. Probably the majority of my guns did not require a fee or form for me to possess it.

If you think that Anderson Cooper, or any other journalist, can hide behind "journalism" to evade prosecution or fees for violating speech laws, you're wrong again.

And, by the way, your "poll tax" argument is hilarious because you're making the same argument the liberals make when they argue against Voter ID laws since getting a Government Issued ID requires a fee and if that ID is required to vote, them there is therefore a "poll tax" to vote.

I still don't know what you think you're trying to say... Something about guns, voting rights, $7, or Anderson Cooper, I presume.

Get to you point on your next post, or I'll just chalk it up to you not having a point and just trying to be argumentative and I'll move on.
 
You keep talking about after the fact.

Libel, slander, illegal discharge, jail, prison, etc, etc, etc all happen AFTER.

Even you hitting at conservative wanting ID shows, there isn't that requirement.

You are forced to pay upfront to buy a gun.

And,I give you credit enough that I know you know the ATF new push is to require FFL for anyone who "profits" as a gun seller. "Profit not defined, of course so that anyone transferring a gun, would require FFL.

All the round about, what Wayne La Pierre said don't change the fact that the 2a is the only right that the law requires an up front investment to express.

We got here as Buzz thought as usual he'd be cute and got cut down.

Driving isn't a right. Voting is a right. Gun ownership is a right that requires, by law(even filled out correctly) UPFRONT registration and monetary investment to express it.

I, as a citizen, with a completely clean background still have to prove I'm innocent of drug usage, domestic abuse, felonies, renounced citizenship, etc and pay upfront to prove that, before I can express my right, which is ownership of a firearm.

No other right requires that.

Yeah, I'm fine with you or Buzz owning a m-16


Honestly how we got to this, on a post about furies in schools, ask Oneye.
 
I don’t have time tonight to get back to every reply here. But I mean the church has said “Don’t vote based on party, vote based on integrity” and then made Nikki Haley the front page their church owned Newspaper in the last week….I guess we’ll see who’s religion is actually politics, because the LDS church clearly does not endorse Donald Trump. But hey, some of you will still find an excuse for your religion of politics.

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The church is as directly as possible saying Donald Trump isn’t someone you should vote for. But go ahead a few of you. Politics is your real religion, not the church.

Now, bring forth the political religion excuses. The LDS church put Nikki Haley on the front page of their newspaper for a reason and released a statement a week ago for a reason, but all you super religious folks, ignore it and show us your real religion to your orange God on Tuesday.

Haley on the front page, the statement a week before caucus. They’re subtly saying “don’t vote for the orange idiot”, but you still will. Who’s religion is really politics?
 
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Quick history lesson.

Automatic guns, mostly the Tommy Gun was banned because it was the favorite weapon of mobsters.

Mobsters, who came to prominence and into fabulous riches during PROHIBITION.


Prohibition being a law GOVERNMENT made to stop folks from being drunks. So, a black market rose up, fueling the rise of organized crime. As the criminals got firepower, THE GOVERNMENT made a law about that. Now, the GOVERNMENT would like to make yet another law(one of 20,000 something) they have already made to do what?

Make murder even more illegal.

Because, as we all know, if you just make murder more illegal, murder will end.


Notice they don't just hang murderers. Because, murderers have rights. We need to respect them, by imposing on the rights of NON MURDERERS.

That's liberal logic.
How many mass murders are committed with banned fully automatic weapons? You can do Chicago like Republicans like, or nutcase dudes who shoot up a crowd.

Answer it Hoss.

Very simple question. Why don’t nut jobs choose fully automatic weapons over semi-autos? Easy answer here too. Unless you have a very specific ideology to defend with a bias and very slanted outlook.

(here’s a hint, the vast majority are legal semi-autos and very few fully automatic weapons…..wonder why).
 
How about all these illegal aliens, do you really believe they have a driver license.
Do you really believe most of them murders on the streets of Chicago, Baltimore and other large cities are killed by legal owned guns?
Do you believe these criminals that commit 99.9% of murders by gun would get a license.
Yall are wild. You really have no idea how racism, discrimination, and segregation absolutely impacted communities to this day do you? The fact you mention those two specific cities up front kinda proves the point. You grew up like you did, and kids in the north side of Chicago grew up like they did largely due to the discrimination and rampant racism this country was founded on but you don’t wanna see it.
 
Yes.

We do not infringe on journalists.

To be a journalist, even a paid journalist, there is no registration.

You own guns. You had to fill out a form.

Show me Anderson Coopers registration and background check to be a journalist.

Libel and slander are penalties for abusing the right.

Same as illegal discharge or brandishing are for guns.

Does it cost you $7 to vote? No. That would be a poll tax.

Yet, you are charged to use your right to own a gun.
Answer these two questions Hoss.

Do you support fully automatic weapons being legal?

Do you support the removal of all background checks to purchase a gun?


Answer them.

Then we’ll talk. Should someone charged with domestic violence be allowed to buy a firearm no background check required? Then go f*** yourself, guns have plentiful (and infringed) laws in regards to them already that the vast majority of Americans agree on. A more stringent process on semi-automatic weapons is no different than requiring background checks. Quite frankly banning semi-automatic weapons entirely is no different than banning fully automatic weapons. You won’t admit it, but it’s clearly true. And as I’ve said, I don’t even support a ban, but the whole “the constitution says it’s a right” thing rings hollow when I know you won’t say someone convicted of domestic abuse still has the “right” to buy whatever gun they want. There comes a point laws make sense, and you can have your right, until it doesn’t make sense that a domestic abuser should have a fully automatic weapon.

As a last question everyone, should a domestic abuser have un-impeded access to a fully automatic weapon no background checks? Mmmm most of you won’t answer, even though you know the answer is no. But you’ll stay quiet because you’ll realize you aren’t a 2nd amendment absolutest when you correctly say “no” that person shouldn’t have unlimited and un-impeded access to firearms. Under yalls “right to a firearm” absolutism a mentally ill person should have full access to a fully automatic gun no questions asked too
 
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Everyone with a brain knew that was the plan all along. They have to make up for the black vote that are switching sides.
They aren’t 85+% will vote for the Democratic Party in November for a reason. Keep telling yourself black voters like your party when nearly 90% will vote against your political ideology(for a reason).

900,000 voters out of every million will vote for the other party. Maybe…just maybe it’s a YOU problem.
 
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I'd like to congratulate Burgese Owens. Heard him in the radio tonight he said he was home, not sitting through this. Good move.

I didn't watch. I assume Cancer is cured?
 
I'd like to congratulate Burgese Owens. Heard him in the radio tonight he said he was home, not sitting through this. Good move.

I didn't watch. I assume Cancer is cured?
Burgess Owens is worthless. He takes his photo ops on infrastructure projects Biden and Mitt funded in the state. But that dude sure wants credit for those projects when there’s a photo op huh? Joe wasn’t lying about that. Every congressional Utah representative has taken a photo opportunity and posted it on social media for infrastructure projects that only Mitt funded. Like Joe said, if you don’t want the money and jobs, just let him know.

The conversation went from “sleepy Joe” to “he was too loud” real quick. Guess he isn’t so senile now. His state of the union address solidified the fact I likely will vote for him in November. Yall set the bar on the floor and he kinda blew through the whole “senile” thing.

 
Amazing what the kind of cocktail of drugs the best doctors in the USA can work up to almost make him not mumble!

It makes me want to try Adderall!

I'm impressed he can memorize a speech he's had weeks to study, that's why we hadn't seen him!

My heart goes out to Lincoln Rileys family... oh wait Laken Riley! Disrespectful Di<kw@d!
 
You Will Likely Vote For Him Huh?

What A F'N Surprise That Is!

"Look, I'm not a young guy. That's no secret. But, here's the deal. I understand how to get things done for the American people"

Yup!

Alot Of BS Things That Have Drug This Country Down To A New Low!

Keep JACKIN Your JAW Oneye!

For you To Vote For Him The First Time Was More Than DUMB Enough But For You To Vote For Him A 2nd Time Just Shows How GAWD-DAMN Smart You Aren't!






Burgess Owens is worthless. He takes his photo ops on infrastructure projects Biden and Mitt funded in the state. But that dude sure wants credit for those projects when there’s a photo op huh? Joe wasn’t lying about that. Every congressional Utah representative has taken a photo opportunity and posted it on social media for infrastructure projects that only Mitt funded. Like Joe said, if you don’t want the money and jobs, just let him know.

The conversation went from “sleepy Joe” to “he was too loud” real quick. Guess he isn’t so senile now. His state of the union address solidified the fact I likely will vote for him in November. Yall set the bar on the floor and he kinda blew through the whole “senile” thing.

 
Burgess Owens is worthless. He takes his photo ops on infrastructure projects Biden and Mitt funded in the state. But that dude sure wants credit for those projects when there’s a photo op huh? Joe wasn’t lying about that. Every congressional Utah representative has taken a photo opportunity and posted it on social media for infrastructure projects that only Mitt funded. Like Joe said, if you don’t want the money and jobs, just let him know.

The conversation went from “sleepy Joe” to “he was too loud” real quick. Guess he isn’t so senile now. His state of the union address solidified the fact I likely will vote for him in November. Yall set the bar on the floor and he kinda blew through the whole “senile” thing.



*Mitt stole money from our great grandkids for*


Gee. Shocked. You're voting for Biden. The sun came up this morning I guess
 
Amazing what the kind of cocktail of drugs the best doctors in the USA can work up to almost make him not mumble!

It makes me want to try Adderall!

I'm impressed he can memorize a speech he's had weeks to study, that's why we hadn't seen him!

My heart goes out to Lincoln Rileys family... oh wait Laken Riley! Disrespectful Di<kw@d!
Ahhh, the excuses are in. Now he was on drugs. Because of course it couldn’t be people grab 3 second clips and can make anyone look dumb over the course of an hour long speech. He made it through that hour and a half with quite a bit of energy for an 80 year old and it’s okay to admit that. Quite frankly every American should be wanting to see the President succeed whether they’re of the party or not.

Also Marjorie Taylor Greene called her Lincoln on live tv while criticizing him for the same stupid thing.
 
You Will Likely Vote For Him Huh?

What A F'N Surprise That Is!

"Look, I'm not a young guy. That's no secret. But, here's the deal. I understand how to get things done for the American people"

Yup!

Alot Of BS Things That Have Drug This Country Down To A New Low!

Keep JACKIN Your JAW Oneye!

For you To Vote For Him The First Time Was More Than DUMB Enough But For You To Vote For Him A 2nd Time Just Shows How GAWD-DAMN Smart You Aren't!
You nominated Trump. I may still vote for RFK as a protest vote to the fact neither of them are great. I wasn’t going to vote for Joe with one exception, the nomination of the orange idiot. And we’re there. We’ll see, but yes, Biden is now in a bit more of a campaign mode and if he can prove he’s got the sort of energy as he does at the SOTU address it’ll be him or RFK.
 
*Mitt stole money from our great grandkids for*


Gee. Shocked. You're voting for Biden. The sun came up this morning I guess
Trump spent $7 trillion dollars and didn’t rebuild a bunch of bridges, build a bunch of wildlife bridges, extend internet to rural areas of the state, build chip manufacturing places so we’re less reliant on Taiwan, rebuild and take care of needed maintenance on current water infrastructure.

Hoss, Joe and Mitt’s infrastructure bill have funded multiple wildlife crossings, multiple bridges replaced in the state, extended high speed internet to rural parts of the state, addressed Native American areas by bringing electricity where they didn’t have any. It is the cause of projects like fixing multiple reservoirs dams throughout the state. They’re currently working on Yuba’s dam to address maintenance issues. I mean, orange man spent $7 trillion and didn’t pass an infrastructure bill. So yes, if you simply open your eyes the infrastructure bill has benefitted the state of Utah A LOT. And Burgess Owens, John Curtis, Blake Moore, etc have all been there for the photo ops on those projects, when they voted against those projects happening.

Hate him all you want, this is 100000% true


Real contrast between listening to conservatives pundits say there’s no way he could get through the speech, who then had their panties in a bunch after it was over. The response after the SOTU was a hell of a lot more cringy acting.
 
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Hey Oneye!

This JOKER That You're So Proud Of Has Already Handed Out A Bunch Of F'N Money He Didn't Have & He's Still Doing It!

PRINT BABY!

PRINT!

WAFJ!
 
Hey Oneye!

This JOKER That You're So Proud Of Has Already Handed Out A Bunch Of F'N Money He Didn't Have & He's Still Doing It!

PRINT BABY!

PRINT!

WAFJ!
Just off the rails unhinged nonsense with no coherent thoughts again from good old elkass I ain’t proud of him, but he’s the lesser of two evils, Trump spent every bit as much money and quite frankly the money Trump spent did less. Thank Joe Biden and Mitt Romney for all those wildlife crossing that get built this year and the next few. He allocated $60 million in infrastructure funds to Utah for wildlife/vehicle mitigation alone(along with $20 million more in state funding thanks to Doug Owens(D) in the legislature). I’m simply pointing at actual projects the infrastructure law Trump couldn’t pass, Biden did and how it’s delivering for Utah. Because it is. And all your representatives love standing next to those projects for pics even though they explicitly voted for the project not to happen. All except Mitt anyway.

Undoubtably this will work out well for Republicans when people begrudgingly fill out their ballot in November. Lots of people are going to do the exact thing I may. Vote for the other guy because your party nominated a clown.

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The real silent majority when it comes down to choice A or choice B. Democrats got the opponent they wanted.

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No, not really. However the US does need some form of immigration reform to fill lots of jobs in the coming years because American's aren't having kids. Fix the border, also fix the process to let people come to the country legally. They are both causing this issue. It can take years upon years to come legally. And wait according to Republican's minorities are going to vote in huge numbers for them! That's what I have heard, so this is an electoral victory for Republican's!
 
No, not really. However the US does need some form of immigration reform to fill lots of jobs in the coming years because American's aren't having kids. Fix the border, also fix the process to let people come to the country legally. They are both causing this issue. It can take years upon years to come legally. And wait according to Republican's minorities are going to vote in huge numbers for them! That's what I have heard, so this is an electoral victory for Republican's!
just STFU....
 
just STFU....
I was told that minorities are going to vote for Republican's this election cycle though! Polls are shifting, sleepy Joe showed he isn't so sleepy and is now in campaign mode. I'd be mad too. In the words of Tucker Carlson, boards like this are what "radicalize" me. If I vote for Joe, it'll be a lot because of the clear and obvious reason some of the MAGA folks can't be allowed to win or give that hate a breath of air.
 
I was told that minorities are going to vote for Republican's this election cycle though! Polls are shifting, sleepy Joe showed he isn't so sleepy and is now in campaign mode. I'd be mad too. In the words of Tucker Carlson, boards like this are what "radicalize" me. If I vote for Joe, it'll be a lot because of the clear and obvious reason some of the MAGA folks can't be allowed to win or give that hate a breath of air.
No one hates like you leftist's.....fact.
 
Yeah. The orange dude did the same thing and then also refused to give them back when told to. You care about when he did it too and refused to give them back right?

Notice we are energy independent or? You just gonna ignore real things? Nah, you’ll bury your head in the sand because he’s not on your political team. Truth is, Biden has done many things Trump couldn’t and didn’t.
 
Yeah. The orange dude did the same thing and then also refused to give them back when told to. You care about when he did it too and refused to give them back right?

Notice we are energy independent or? You just gonna ignore real things? Nah, you’ll bury your head in the sand because he’s not on your political team. Truth is, Biden has done many things Trump couldn’t and didn’t.
The orange dude actually had presidential rights to have top secret information.
 
Yeah. The orange dude did the same thing and then also refused to give them back when told to. You care about when he did it too and refused to give them back right?

Notice we are energy independent or? You just gonna ignore real things? Nah, you’ll bury your head in the sand because he’s not on your political team. Truth is, Biden has done many things Trump couldn’t and didn’t.
Let me help you out on Biden's accomplishments.

Inflation rate higher all four years under Biden
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Fuel Prices higher all four years under Biden
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Suicide Rate higher all four under Biden
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And again 2023
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Overdose higher all four years under Biden
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Complete failure withdrawal from Afghanistan, leaving behind hundreds of millions of US weapons including top secret pieces of equipment.
All Democratic controlled states and cities are having substantial higher crime rates since 2020.
Homelessness is at a record high throughout the country.
Gay porno films being filmed by Democrat staffers in the Senate chambers.
Mentally disturbed men hired and promoted by the Biden administration on only the basis of there agenda.
Complete destruction of the education system coming out of COVID, most all experts agree the ramification will be felt for decades.
The destruction of the nuclear family
The list can go on, but yes we are energy independent.
Yes the stock market is doing good and there is a lot of millionaires and billionaires that are taking advantage of the destruction of America. But that is on Biden's watch not Republicans.
Oneye go on and be a hateful bigot and continue to be offended by words and posts, you really make no difference in my life.
Take care oneye one day you are going to need help from your racist, white nationalist, god-fearing neighbors.
 
There's absolutely no doubt Biden is guilty, and you would think since he is an above average patriotic Ukranian....I mean American he would just plead guilty. He could contest the sentencing phase claiming to be a blubbering idiot and get probation.
 

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