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I think Arizona Game and Fish made a good decision getting rid of the auction tags but question the motives. Arizona has gone in the wrong direction the last couple of years. We have a point guard tag return program that allows people to bonus up their average on group applications using the...

I accidentally fat fingered the like oops. I didn't misspeak, the value proposition is the permanent bonus point. That point used to require a hunter education class which was free other than the time spent to sit in the class which was significant once the field day was added. Just like other...

I don't disagree with most of what you say however I disagree with you that these things cannot be stopped. When the expo idea was being pushed many years ago there were people saying the proponents were too well financed to stop and the idea was defeated. When game camera regulation was...

Crampy, you do realize there are ACTUAL loopholes worthy of outrage but the lifetime license isn't one of them. Someday dig into the point guard group app bonus point scam. Lots of people and guides bonusing themselves and clients up on people called "hunters" that have never and will never...

Thanks sremim, those sound exactly like the kind of tanks my Dad will be looking for. I have never hunted 9 before but have driven through it several times accessing other units. It sounds like it has enough variety for a wise old water hole hunter and his dumber timber sneaking bugle chasing...

I know a guy that has two kids that pulled youth antlerless tags in unit 22 and lucked into an early archery unit 9 bull tag along with his seventy four year Vietnam veteran Dad who plans to use his vertical bow. That same guy also pulled a unit 10 rifle Antelope tag (his first after 26 years)...

it isn't complicated just economics. Reduce the supply (public tags) and increase demand of all tags including private land and circus tags (expo/governor/CWMU). Convince the public hunters that fewer tags means better quality and they will rally to slit their own throats and watch tv hunts from...

I second the springbar tent and buddy heater approach. I have 2 10x10 tents and when hunting for long periods of a week or more with a buddy I setup 2 easy up canopies as a common area for cooking and dry storage/quad parking and then setup each tent at the opposite ends of the common area so...

When point guard was originally proposed it was also part of a club system with airline mile type tiers and benefits that could provide additional access to tags. it was pitched during the rollout of the new portal and there were clearly aspects that were outfitter sponsored. Hunters didn't like...

I am trying to follow your logic on the slider sight issue. With rifle hunts in the rut, muzzleloaders that use primers and compressed powder that combined with more powerful scopes can shoot 300% further reliably than the ones from two decades ago. With Thermal imagery and radios... and you...

I quit shooting Hoyts when I found out they were major exhibitors at the SFW Wildlife expo. Same thing with Cabelas when they asked me if I wanted to donate my change to conservation and SFW was listed as one of thoir partners on the sign above the registers. They probably don't feel my protest...

ahhh........Well I guess I should give him credit for his two minutes at the podium but I am 101% not a fan of SFW.

The Utah boys really grabbed the bull by the horns today. it was also impressive how well the wildlife board handled the pressure. That room seemed to be majority corporate people so those Board members that voted from the gut surrounded by what at times must have felt like a mob should be...

Mount up cowboys and cowgirls, today is the day for some camera wrangling ?

Yep dismiss this as a social issue. Common tactic, as is the appeal for more data which will be a common rally cry in the hearing today from people wishing to stall the implementation of the regulation. These calls for science will not come from scientists, just young camera jockeys trying to...

Interesting, earlier in this thread you said you were undecided on the issue and now like a day later you are speaking the corporate line about supporting memory card cameras and are against cell cameras. I suspect you have been a camera man all along ?. I would say I am shocked but I already...

The trail camera meeting is tomorrow at 9am. if the arguments at the meeting are like the ones on this thread you should bring some skis and a fork because there will be plenty of slippery slopes and red herring available.? Ryan

You can lookup my posts and see my reasoning behind this. A single trail camera isn't evil but when they are literally covering public land and the data is aggregated and sold and bought by businesses and used to block public hunters from hunt opportunities they are a problem. Unlike other...

This Thursday, Mrach 10th, 9AM sharp if you want to make a comment.

Two more days until the hearing, they will probably be tabulating public comments very shortly so if you don't plan to be there you should let the wildlife board know your thoughts very soon. if you are tech savvy enough to send an email you can be a player in this. The corporate hunting side...

Three days until the meeting, It is better to be a player and contact the wildlife board or attend the meeting than to be a spectator and complain about how cameras are cutting your opportunity and privacy later. Step up or continue to be stepped on. Ryan

Rest up, four days until the big show. I call it a show because in one state there was an outfitter that actually cried over trail cameras at one of the public meetings to discuss them. Utah has some board members and at least one legislator with a solid backbone right now, It is fortunate to...

Five days until the hearing. have you emailed the wildlife board yet? Have you lined up a wingman to join you for the ride?

This is an example of what hunters do when the playing field is leveled and the cream isn't being siphoned off the trophy pool. Competing against thousands of cameras and scrambling for banquet tags to hunt animals that are named and tracked 24-7 by cameras their entire lives isn't what 99% of...

Six days until the hearing. last day of this week to request PTO if you need to.

I noticed the link with the hearing information got buried so I am reminding everyone that the hearing is one week from today. There will probably be plenty of anti-camera regulation outfitters presenting themselves as regular hunters at this hearing. The Commisioners and future Utah hunters...

I was reading another thread about someone with a CWMU issue, he didn't like the fact that he couldn't access more of the unit with his privately purchased tag. Apparently the best hunting ground in that unit is well known and controlled by the unit manager. I also heard a story on the news...

I don't call that a limitation, the wildlife board is comprised of people with diverse geographic and life experiences. In theory there is an underlying expectation they have leadership abilities and a backbone capable of voting with their conscience. if they are prone to being railroaded by...

I live in Arizona but I follow what is happening in Utah since their corporate hunting garbage flows downhill and we frequently have to put up barriers to keep it from flowing into our yards like sewage. I have to give a shout out to Hossblur for being right on the money most of the time...

I just wanted to add some input to the discussion about the economics of the expo. So many people are focused on the monetary cost of the auction and raffle tags. However economists recognize that costs can be measured in things other than monetary currency. One of the greatest costs people can...

The US Internal Revenue Service has a special designation for non-profit organizations that wish to do unlimited lobbying, it is called a 501c4. SFW is registered as a 501c3, I believe they leave their primary lobbying to Big Game Forever which is a 501c4. 501c3 orgs are allowed to do some...

I have read every post on this thread. Since there are some nuggets of gold I would like to help direct the newbies to the good stuff. I generally avoid the Tristate and Topgun bickering. No offense to Topgun, he means well but new information is what I look for and I don't see much of that. I...

I attended the meetings last year at AZGFD headquarters where the portal membership idea with tag return benefits was discussed. Not a whole lot of support for this program in the meetings and I was totally disgusted that they proceeded with this idea anyway. I believe I attended at least two...

The Wounded Warrior organization was in the news this week. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/28/us/wounded-warrior-project-spends-lavishly-on-itself-ex-employees-say.html?_r=0 I bet the guy that runs the Wounded Warriors organization thought that no one would be bold enough to question them on...

cmbulldog has it right.....the issue isn't a father with 5 points hunting with his son with 9 points. In fact, under my proposal the average on the application in this scenario wouldnt be affected. The real problem is non-hunters banking points, and the even bigger issue is the threat that...

Is jumping in front of other people that have been on sitting on the sidelines for 6-8 years ethical? Who knows, ethics is a minor issue when you look at some of the more practical problems with this. Arizona is a state with a huge human population (top 10) and a relatively small population of...

Which person are you calling a troll... The OP that offered to pay money to leapfrog others in the drawing, the guy that clearly explained the risks to whoever would party app with him (possible rejection) or the dude asking details about how to make use of this unacceptable loophole? As I...

I still don't understand this tag surrender idea. None of my friends and colleagues would make use of it and I do not agree with it. When the HB2072 (the bill asking for hundreds of tags to establish an expo in Arizona) issue was in play there was a large critter group that shared leadership...

LAST EDITED ON Jul-03-14 AT 02:56PM (MST)[p]Allen, Thanks for the link to coueswhitetail, I went out there a several times for information on this issue and overlooked it every time. I feel a ton better reading the notes from the A-Team (you, Kent, Hector, Swivel, Stan....and several others I am...

Well, I appreciate everyone's input. Especially Allen and Hector who I trust a bunch. I did attend the meeting at Phoenix HQ last week and I came away with some strong impressions. I apologize for not providing my notes earlier, been pretty busy since last week. - The portal concept isn't all...