Elkrunning-Scared
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-Book Cliffs Bison still has a lot of problems. 0/14 muzzy, oof!
They already set it in 2017 I believe with the unsuccessful wild horse bench huntersDo all the late archery elk hunters on units that had 0% success (and there are a bunch of them) get their points back also?
Giving points back (except under only the most extreme circumstances) is a terrible precedent to set for low success hunts. Drawing a tag only guarantees you an opportunity to hunt, it does not guarantee you success in harvesting something.
They drew a tag, went and looked.... didn't see any Buffalo in the unit. Complained to the DWR because it took all their points and Walla. I think that's it. It was discussed in one of these meetings I believe. This is not the first time this has happened.Could someone please enlighten us on the extreme circumstances on this hunt that called for points to be returned? Assuming that happened
The late season archery bull buffalo hunt on Henry's also had zero success. 0/5 averaging 7 hunt days.the two things that jump out for me:
-that late archery elk hunt was just as difficult as predicted
-Book Cliffs Bison still has a lot of problems. 0/14 muzzy, oof!
So… in one discussion we can’t get success rates low enough and want more restrictions to help achieve that. In another discussion, success was too low so we should give the hunters their points back and let them try again.
Yes, I do think the hunter satisfaction index between the Henry and the BC tells the tale.
I had a great antelope hunt on a CWMU one year and so went back the next. Year two there were no antelope on the property, probably due to drought, and no one really got to "hunt", not even the operators.
I didn't ask for any dispensation, figuring you pay your money and you take your chances in a situation like that.
I do have more sympathy for the BC bison hunters though due to the fact that they were actively sabotaged by other individuals acting unlawfully (the tribes hazing the bison and preventing them from returning to the unit).
Did they or should they get their points back? I don't know.
This will happen again though and I don't know that the state can prevent it. In the least I think it should be made clear prior to applying that there's a good chance there will be no bison on the unit during a given hunt and thus a zero percent change of success.
Math is hard 3/5=50% and 1/3 is the same as 2/7. Checks out.Their numbers are in correct. As for the heneries bison archery hunt at 0% success. My buddy had one of those tags and he harvested so that’s 1 of the 5 that harvested
Yes, I do think the hunter satisfaction index between the Henry and the BC tells the tale.
I had a great antelope hunt on a CWMU one year and so went back the next. Year two there were no antelope on the property, probably due to drought, and no one really got to "hunt", not even the operators.
I didn't ask for any dispensation, figuring you pay your money and you take your chances in a situation like that.
I do have more sympathy for the BC bison hunters though due to the fact that they were actively sabotaged by other individuals acting unlawfully (the tribes hazing the bison and preventing them from returning to the unit).
Did they or should they get their points back? I don't know.
This will happen again though and I don't know that the state can prevent it. In the least I think it should be made clear prior to applying that there's a good chance there will be no bison on the unit during a given hunt and thus a zero percent change of success.
Their numbers are in correct. As for the heneries bison archery hunt at 0% success. My buddy had one of those tags and he harvested so that’s 1 of the 5 that harvested
Hey Lefty?
You Got Any Proof Of The Tribe Pushing Buffalo?
I've kept a side-eye on it since and it's really not what it once was for sure.
Even that comment is somewhat deceptive to the reality. To be clear, I don’t think you are intentionally being deceptive here and not calling you out for that.
There was a long time that BC didn’t even have a bison hunt or huntable population on public land. So when you say what it once was, I think we have to be careful. What it is today, whatever that is, is infinitely better than no hunting at all.
But I get your point that the hunting is not at its peak.And How Long Did It Take You To Accept This? Did You Really Type This Niller?
I think, and could be wrong, but it was 2007ish when they turned a bunch loose out there.Even that comment is somewhat deceptive to the reality. To be clear, I don’t think you are intentionally being deceptive here and not calling you out for that.
There was a long time that BC didn’t even have a bison hunt or huntable population on public land. So when you say what it once was, I think we have to be careful. What it is today, whatever that is, is infinitely better than no hunting at all.
But I get your point that the hunting is not at its peak.
I think, and could be wrong, but it was 2007ish when they turned a bunch loose out there.
I hunted it in 2018 when my dad drew a tag. I was honestly surprised at how many bison we saw. Having never been on the unit before, we went out 2 days early and planned to stay the entire hunt if needed. That year, you could have showed up opening morning with no idea where to go and could have killed one. They were literally everywhere we looked.
I don’t know what happened on the muzzy hunt but obviously something happened which impacted the hunt lf zero were killed but all the other hunts had decent-good success.
Either way giving points back should not even be a topic of discussion. Every year when we apply we roll the dice on countless variables that are out of our control. It’s all part of it. Remember in 2018 the forest circus burned the Nebo unit to the ground, closing all access to the part of the unit where most of the elk are located, during all the big bull seasons? None of those hunters got their points back. It hosed a lot of guys.
It is what it is. I wish Utahs latest favorite motto of “put the hunt back in hunting” applied to all topics regarding Utah hunting. And not just when it comes to magnified scopes on muzzleloaders and trail cams.
I saw bison from the paved road all the way west out to moon ridge, which is as far as we went. Literally every ridge that dropped off the north side had bison on it. They were walking down the divide road. I had to stop several times for them to move out of the way.Hey Bux!
You Guys hunted It At A Good Time!
But!
There Never Was Bison Everywhere In The Book Cliffs!
In The General Area You Were In There Were Quite A Few Bison!
It's Not Like That Now!
And Most Of The BUTT KICKINS Happened In The Roadless,Not Where You Were Hunting!
I saw bison from the paved road all the way west out to moon ridge, which is as far as we went. Literally every ridge that dropped off the north side had bison on it. They were walking down the divide road. I had to stop several times for them to move out of the way.
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Roadless, again, is what it is. Everyone should be aware of that when they apply for any tag out there
I videoed a lot of it. But I never made and published a video of itHey bux?
Did you Make A Video On Your Dads Hunt?
I videoed a lot of it. But I never made and published a video of it
Unless you follow me on instagram, it wasn’t me hahaI Couldn't Remember If It Was You Or Another Guy That Had A Little Clip The Same Year Your Dad Hunted!
My guess is that not all hunters had reported their harvest in time for the publishing date of the harvest data report. The hunt ended on Jan 31st and hunters have 30 days to report their harvest.Their numbers are in correct. As for the heneries bison archery hunt at 0% success. My buddy had one of those tags and he harvested so that’s 1 of the 5 that harvested
Do You Actually Have That Proof You Could Show Us Niller?There was proof of the tribe hazing the bison several years ago the first time they gave Books bison hunters their points back.
I’m not sure that was the case last year.
Anyway, Books bison seems to be the best twice in a lifetime species hunt to go after! Heck, you might even get thrice if you’re loud enough.
Did the Bison hunters get their points back or is it under consideration? Sorry for my ignorance but very interested in the discussion.
The hazing of bison back to the reservation via helicopter was well documented at the time. Discussed by the proper authorities all in public meetings. If YOU want proof, then don’t be a lazy a$$ and go find it yourself. You’re the one asking for it, so do something about it.
What am I going to do about it? Nothing. And I don’t think anyone should be getting their points back then or now.
I’m well aware of the history of bison out there. It’s why I mentioned what I did above, genius. Not sure why you’re all hot and bothered. You asked a question and got an answer. Put your big boy pants on and quit being a baby.
My understanding is they gave them their points back. Twice in a lifetime…it’s the new once in a lifetime!
But then we’ll hear the same folks talk about needing to address point creep.
Simply the most dishonest discussions taking place in wildlife management today!
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Same with a lot of the mid season. I think these tags working exactly as intended .Well, the late Archery elk hunts are probably considered a success... 85 people out of the Elk Draw, and it only cost them 14 bulls. 16% harvest rate.
I can't imagine it will take too many points to draw these tags next year.
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