Thanks, I'll give them a try. I just loaded some 140's and have to shoot them first. I've never shot anything but, 140's in this gun as deer and bear can be hunted together in WA. I'll play around with some different bullets after deer season this year. I hate to reinvent the wheel so it's nice to hear from people who have done it before. If you got any more loads you want to share I'll be sure to listen. Thanks again. Willy