DoubleDropMuley
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Looks like none of nonres tags came to this household ?!! Congrats to those who drew !!!
Sweeet!!! Congrats to him !!My 13 year old has a Ewe bighorn tag in an area we love. He is super excited this morning. A big fat nothing for the rest of us. He is a lucky little turd…
My grandson got one too.My 13 year old has a Ewe bighorn tag in an area we love. He is super excited this morning. A big fat nothing for the rest of us. He is a lucky little turd…
Heck yeah!!!! ??My grandson got one too.
My 74 year old Dad got that tag as well! He burned his 20 points knowing he probably would never get a bull tag. Will be his first time hunting Moose, very happy.I now have 24 sheep points. Also didn’t drew ewe sheep.
Wife drew cow moose unit 38. Sad to burn 21 points on that tag, but glad we did it. Better to he hunting!
Looks like 1 in 1701 for the 1 random tagCongrats to those that drew! It will be interesting to see how many points it took to draw a NR ram tag... I am sure the F&G website will post the draw odds soon. Happy Hunting!
Bring on the rabbit hole,Nope. Sheep point 24. And my odds are worse now than applying for Desert Sheep in California. Which I never did because of the price vs. odds. In one fell swoop you go from having a 25% chance to draw the tag you spent your adult life building towards to absolutely no chance. Hopefully Sy’s grandkids got all their tags.
For NR, 38-4 had 3 tags. One person with 21 points and 2 with 20.My 74 year old Dad got that tag as well! He burned his 20 points knowing he probably would never get a bull tag. Will be his first time hunting Moose, very happy.
At 23 points, 4 other NRs in your cohort drew PP ram tags today. 6-12% odds as long as you didn't pick a high demand unit. Way better than CA sheep odds.Nope. Sheep point 24. And my odds are worse now than applying for Desert Sheep in California. Which I never did because of the price vs. odds. In one fell swoop you go from having a 25% chance to draw the tag you spent your adult life building towards to absolutely no chance. Hopefully Sy’s grandkids got all their tags.
Your analysis is spot on. My language was sloppy.Not to be a downer, but how do you figure 6% to 12% odds. You can only see the number of 23 point applicants in those few units where the applicants were successful. What about all the other 23-point applicants in other units? The overall draw odds have to be much worse than 6%.
At 23 points, 4 other NRs in your cohort drew PP ram tags today. 6-12% odds as long as you didn't pick a high demand unit. Way better than CA sheep odds.
You're on the cusp - you might draw next year. Just gotta worry about guys coming off the sideline.
I thought Sy was on your side?
I began applying for my son for NR bighorn in 1998, when he was 14. He now has 26 points, and is 40. There remain 14 potential NR applicants ahead of him, and 30 equal to him. A few of those may fall away after the preference-point only draw. At the current pace, I hope he draws before he turns 60! At least he remains ahead of the 12,000+ NR with fewer points.I have a feeling some of those guys are building points for kids or grandkids.
Wow, your son had 25 NR ram points for this AM's drawing?I began applying for my son for NR bighorn in 1998, when he was 14. He now has 26 points, and is 40. There remain 14 potential NR applicants ahead of him, and 30 equal to him.
Sy has never been on my side. I’ve never wanted to use an outfitter. I obviously will not quit, but my original plan is not ever going to work now so will have to sharpen my pencil. Going to take a different approach and more boot grinding.
You're talking out your a$$ you obviously didn't pay attention to the task force meetings when this got recommendedI know it's strange to think, but Sy was on your side on this particular issue. Sy wanted WY NR ram allocation to remain at 25%.
If Sy and the outfitters had won that battle, you would have an NR ram tag in your pocket today.
Sy knows that the resident that got that ram tag instead of you is very unlikely to hire him. Especially in the wilderness units where the resident can go without Sy to babysit. An NR has to hire a guide so Sy wants the NR to have that tag instead.
And on top of that he's gonna end up selling you down the river for 90/10 on D/E/A soon enough
The outfitters already have limited resident opportunities used to be a guy could knock on a few doors and have a place to hunt. That's no longer the case for most species in most areasAnd when he does that and it is not enough, because it is never enough, he will start taking away resident opportunities, give them to his rich clients, and continue to line his pockets at an ever increasing rate.
You reap what you sow…
Correct, Sy absolutely will sell out DIY NRs in a heartbeat.And on top of that he's gonna end up selling you down the river for 90/10 on D/E/A soon enough
Looks like an any moose tag to me lol... Guessing they catch the typo soon.My 74 year old Dad got that tag as well! He burned his 20 points knowing he probably would never get a bull tag. Will be his first time hunting Moose, very happy.
Probably the same reason they give out cow moose tags. No good reasonI’m happy for all you guys that have tags but why is Wyoming giving out ewe tags? Guys won’t shoot doe pronghorn but let’s shoot ewe bighorn sheep? Based on WY sheep numbers I don t see anywhere that is doing exceptional.
Exactly. Why not transplant them to areas that are stagnant and/or struggling. There is all kinds of money available to do that type stuff thru WSF, GSO at least.I’m happy for all you guys that have tags but why is Wyoming giving out ewe tags? Guys won’t shoot doe pronghorn but let’s shoot ewe bighorn sheep? Based on WY sheep numbers I don t see anywhere that is doing exceptional.
I’m happy for all you guys that have tags but why is Wyoming giving out ewe tags? Guys won’t shoot doe pronghorn but let’s shoot ewe bighorn sheep? Based on WY sheep numbers I don t see anywhere that is doing exceptional.
I’m happy for all you guys that have tags but why is Wyoming giving out ewe tags? Guys won’t shoot doe pronghorn but let’s shoot ewe bighorn sheep? Based on WY sheep numbers I don t see anywhere that is doing exceptional.
Poor Crampy, can't get anything right. Before 90/10 many outfitters were booking more resident than NR sheep hunters. Now I expect that won't change one bit.Sy and his outfitter buddies are receiving about 40% fewer phone calls TODAY from NR ram/moose tagholders that are forced to use an outfitter for wilderness rams and bull moose. If Sy could choose to have 25% NR ram allocation over 10% (as a single vote/issue), he would take those NR ram tag clients and their $10,000 outiftter fees.
Here is the reason for unit 7 ewe tags. Historically, when that herd approaches 500 sheep they have huge pneumonia kills over winter. Theory on why is 500 animals results in lower fat levels which then in turn lowers the sheep's ability to fend off pneumonia. That herd is just about at 500 animals so last season they issued some ewe tags to try to keep the herd closer to 450. Turns out, not very many people filled those ewe tags last year. So this year they extended the season dates and added more tags since it really didn't lower the pop much.I’m happy for all you guys that have tags but why is Wyoming giving out ewe tags? Guys won’t shoot doe pronghorn but let’s shoot ewe bighorn sheep? Based on WY sheep numbers I don t see anywhere that is doing exceptional.
Sure, in raw numbers an outfitter could have a higher raw quantity of resident ram clients than NR clients. Because there were 3x as many resident ram tags as NR. Since 2023, there are now 9x as many resident ram tags as NR ram tags.Poor Crampy, can't get anything right. Before 90/10 many outfitters were booking more resident than NR sheep hunters. Now I expect that won't change one bit.
Thanks for the info. I figured someone had the details on it. Sucks so few sheep is all the land can hold these days when there used to be thousands and thousandsHere is the reason for unit 7 ewe tags. Historically, when that herd approaches 500 sheep they have huge pneumonia kills over winter. Theory on why is 500 animals results in lower fat levels which then in turn lowers the sheep's ability to fend off pneumonia. That herd is just about at 500 animals so last season they issued some ewe tags to try to keep the herd closer to 450. Turns out, not very many people filled those ewe tags last year. So this year they extended the season dates and added more tags since it really didn't lower the pop much.
This winter they found a significant decrease in fat on the sheep but did not see a significant die off. Very possible the theory is wrong.Thanks for the info. I figured someone had the details on it. Sucks so few sheep is all the land can hold these days when there used to be thousands and thousands
3x as many, 9x as many Nice try, but no. With 75/25 NR got two tags out of 10. Now they get 1 tag out of 10 and with OIL in place, very few residents will tackle a sheep hunt out west.Sure, in raw numbers an outfitter could have a higher raw quantity of resident ram clients than NR clients. Because there were 3x as many resident ram tags as NR. Since 2023, there are now 9x as many resident ram tags as NR ram tags.
An NR ram tag holder is MUCH more likely to hire Sy than a resident ram tag holder. Wealth, travel time, local knowledge and NR wilderness ban - these are just some of the reasons why that is true. For that reason, Wyoming outfitters absolutely prefer the old 25% NR ram allocation over 10%.
This might also be helpful in explaining "Rates" vs "Raw Numbers".
Looks like he should have been hunting at 40 and not even worrying about 60. Nothing is guaranteed so gotta go when ya can IMO. I pulled the trigger on my sheep soon as it looked like I could, while there was other units I wanted I went where I could and it worked out great !!I began applying for my son for NR bighorn in 1998, when he was 14. He now has 26 points, and is 40. There remain 14 potential NR applicants ahead of him, and 30 equal to him. A few of those may fall away after the preference-point only draw. At the current pace, I hope he draws before he turns 60! At least he remains ahead of the 12,000+ NR with fewer points.
And Crampy…thanks for the information that BP-squared failed in the legislature. I had not seen that, but it is good news for those supporting Wyoming wildlife with 20+ years of points-buying!
HT
Now that’s good stuff, but the one kid probably took my goat tag ?, Hope they do well , should be heck of a fall !!90/10 is helping out the youth. A freind of mine has a 12 year old and 11 year old. The 11 year old will be 12 by hunting season. One kid got a mnt goat tag and the other got a bighorn sheep tag.
Sweeet!!!
What pissed you off, the kids drawing tags at 90/10 or the outfitter sending letters comment?The outfitters have been and are the only advocate the NR hunter has ever had in WY, anyone too dumb to see that should refrain from comment. and more residents go with guides than NR's ? gee, do you think that might be because they got 3/4 of the tags and now 90% ? duh . but look at the percentages if you want the real story.
Of course the love from the outfitters is self serving, duh again. and when the outfitters lost the 75/25 battle most NR hunters lost their chances of ever drawing. so who's your friend now ? I don't bite the hand that fed me .
This whole thing is a joke I've drawn my moose and sheep and I'm out this has become a suckers bet.
You back in the bottle again....wait you never stopped.The outfitters have been and are the only advocate the NR hunter has ever had in WY, anyone too dumb to see that should refrain from comment. and more residents go with guides than NR's ? gee, do you think that might be because they got 3/4 of the tags and now 90% ? duh . but look at the percentages if you want the real story.
Of course the love from the outfitters is self serving, duh again. and when the outfitters lost the 75/25 battle most NR hunters lost their chances of ever drawing. so who's your friend now ? I don't bite the hand that fed me .
This whole thing is a joke I've drawn my moose and sheep and I'm out this has become a suckers bet.
We focus on trophy elk, mule deer, antelope and moose hunts and take B&C bucks most years.