LAST EDITED ON Oct-18-10 AT 04:28PM (MST)[p]>SW,
>Not that you will answer, but
>how many days did you
>spend on the Pahvant this
>year. Or any year?
> Just curious as you
>seemed to have the answer
>on how to manage it?
>
Why would I not answer it. I always answer your questions. I spent not one day on the pahvant this year. I can tell you this though the good old days of finding a 400" bull in every canyon is over!!! The reason is and it is simple and if you cant see it then there is nothing I can say to convince you.
When you have a growing herd or a herd under objective you can do what the state did and not shoot the bulls. this allows loads of bulls correct?
You can only do this so long and then you will have to start killing elk so the herd by law is at or under objective correct?
YOU FOLLOWING ME OR HAVE I LOST YOU.
So the wild life board didnt want to kill the bulls they took so long to grow because most of them are at max points or high on the list for points just like bess. These guys said hey I waited 20 years and the state owes me a 500" piss cutter.
Well the state says by law we can only have so many elk on the unit. So what did they do? They started killing cows. Killing cows controlls the population correct?
Well you can only kill so many cows until the herd is out of balance and you are forced to kill bulls because despite what you might think bulls dont breed bulls? I know packout posted a photo to prove other wise. But bulls dont breed bulls and reproduce another bull correct?
So having a 100% success rate weapon with a 3 day average hunt in the rut will without a doubt kill the top end off any unit!!!!! its not rocket science is it?
Proper management from the start would have been bull cow ratio, and F the inches. F the spike hunt, and F the 100% hunt in the rut. You would still have had big bulls but you would have to earn them. A perfect example of what good management for opportunity and quality is ARIZONA. In Arizona you have to draw a tag to kill a bull. they give most of the tags to archers and they let them hunt in the rut. most archers never kill the big herd bulls. Sure some do but most of the larger bulls are killed by the rifle guys or they live another year. FACT they have half the elk we have and still kick out 400" bulls every year. No spike hunts!
Another FACT you cannot give over the counter spike tags and not create a void in the future bulls. You will have to cut big bull tags again thus FN up the system more.
so does that explain it or are you still confused???? I don't know how to dumb it down anymore then that.
by the way FN or F means freaking or freak!!
There are no big bucks in Utah! LOL