well I havent made it out yet. I was gonna try to over the weekend but other things came up. I am also waiting for my new binos to get here. friend been out he been seeing some that he calls "shooters" for the archry season, he a trophy hunter. what he dont get I have the oppurtunity to take.....LOL he already has a 158 4x4 a 164+ 4x5 taken with a bow and a 34" 6x7 trash factor so he wont shoot just anything