AZ bans trailcams?

[Twoshooter]

I heard that at the commission meeting they banned trail cams yesterday. I am having trouble finding any info on the state website. Anyone watch the meeting and have any details? When it goes into effect? Will there be a season like NV?

 

[AZGuy]

I think it’s just live trail cams, no change to anything else. Wouldn’t matter either way the big guides would just pay the help to sleep on the waterholes on the strip and raise the hunts from 7500 to 10500.

 

[Twoshooter]

Cell cams are already banned. This legislation take it further.

 

[grizzly]

It appears from what I've read on the major Coues forum that the proposed ban passed the commission 5-0 and discussion will continue in a month or two before a final vote.

From what the locals are saying, it looks like they're predicting an all out ban on trail cameras in Arizona.

Some of the guides down there are running literally hundreds of cameras and it's not uncommon to see over a dozen on each water hole. It seems people finally got fed up.

 

[roadrunner]

People will just get more clever on their concealment when used on public ground is all...

 

[grizzly]

People will just get more clever on their concealment when used on public ground is all...

I think we both hope you're wrong because the commentary on fellow hunters being that they'll willfully violate the law means they're taking game by unlawful means.

In other words, they're poachers.

My belief is that law-abiding hunters will remain just that and most guys will put their trail cams on eBay and spend more time glassing and less time checking SD cards.

 

[tailchasers]

Hope Az does and more states follow.

 

[RSC68]

Just saw a pic and posting of a stud buck killed on the Wasatch extended archery that the guy had 31 trail cams he and others in his "crew" had set up for the entire summer and fall to follow this buck. Pretty sad in my opinion. What happened to the good ole days where you had to actually spend time to locate and follow a buck and be lucky enough to get an ethical shot?

 

[slamdunk]

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"Some of the guides down there are running literally hundreds of cameras and it's not uncommon to see over a dozen on each water hole. It seems people finally got fed up."
[/QUOTE]

Exactly what takes place here in Utah

 

[grizzly]

Exactly what takes place here in Utah

Yep, the difference is the WB will never stand up to the outfitters and do anything about it here.

 

[Blank]

I wanted to cut down this tree in AZ, and put it in the corner of my trophy room!!!

 

[AZGuy]

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Just saw a pic and posting of a stud buck killed on the Wasatch extended archery that the guy had 31 trail cams he and others in his "crew" had set up for the entire summer and fall to follow this buck. Pretty sad in my opinion. What happened to the good ole days where you had to actually spend time to locate and follow a buck and be lucky enough to get an ethical shot?

IMO it’s not fair chase. That used to be part of the excitement, finding something big. There are some units in AZ, even in the coues units, where guys are running 100+ cams. When guiding became more than a part time income source it’s gotten comical.

 

[slamdunk]

I wanted to cut down this tree in AZ, and put it in the corner of my trophy room!!!

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Looks just like a Paunsaugunt tree....seriously.

 

[slamdunk]

On the Paunsaugunt, there is a massive pile of apples those cams are watching

 

[Wapitiwilly]

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Last year in Arizona there were water holes that had 30+ cameras. I guess that many keeps people honest?
I’m glad they are getting rid of them. Might even the playing field just a bit

 

[hornkiller]

Do you really think its gonna stop people?

 

[grizzly]

Looks just like a Paunsaugunt tree....seriously.

That's why I'm sitting on my deer points. I don't want the CF that is the Henry's or the Pauns right now. Combat hunting is no fun to me and I don't want to hire a guide to compete at their game.

 

[grizzly]

Do you really think its gonna stop people?

What percentage of hunters do you believe are poachers and will run cameras if they're made illegal?

 

[slamdunk]

There will still be those who put cameras out regardless of law, but they can't go report it stolen when someone removes or destroys it ?

 

[Bluehair]

Cameras will be fair game if found trespassing.

I'm torn. I enjoy my cameras and they have very little to do with killing.

 

[Tikka]

That's why I'm sitting on my deer points. I don't want the CF that is the Henry's or the Pauns right now. Combat hunting is no fun to me and I don't want to hire a guide to compete at their game.

That grizz is my thoughts exactly... Though I’ve never referred to it as combat hunting, from now on I will!

 

[mike111]

Once the trail cams are banned it's hard to say how many will use them, but I'm sure some will continue. It's likely when this trail cam ban goes into effect I think the law abiding hunters will remove any trail cam set by somebody not following the rules.

 

[Muleman]

Well this is what the “ quest for trophy’s” has done to hunting. I’m not saying wrong or right but nobody is hanging trail cams to hunt for forky’s. They are fun and I enjoy them but they have gotten out of hand. I think you are going to see more rules in other states similar like the shed seasons, trail cams, long range equipment and all. I think it is unfortunate but wildlife agencies are going to have to make some decisions.

Overall I think it is needed and a good thing to keep hunting alive. We will have bigger battles to come just to keep hunting on public lands and rules like this will help perception with the nonhunting public

 

[roadrunner]

I think we both hope you're wrong because the commentary on fellow hunters being that they'll willfully violate the law means they're taking game by unlawful means.

In other words, they're poachers.

My belief is that law-abiding hunters will remain just that and most guys will put their trail cams on eBay and spend more time glassing and less time checking SD cards.

The funny things horn porn can do to people.

Had the glamor of shooting Mr. Freak-Nasty, Spider Bull, Snake Bull (or Snake Jr.), or any other stupid named buck or bull not been a competitive thing, game cams wouldn't even be an issue.

Game cams are viewed as not being fair chase, no different than whatever outfitter using 15 spotters with the chance of being included in the Inst-hero photo.

Make no mistake, some will get good at concealment and keep the info quite...

 

[newhunter]

Will it be illegal for me to use a trail cam for bird watching ?

 

[hornkiller]

What percentage of hunters do you believe are poachers and will run cameras if they're made illegal?

I believe alot of guides will still run them!

 

[hornkiller]

I believe alot of guides will still run them!

I never called anyone a poacher!

 

[Vanilla]

There is no doubt people will still run cameras even after a ban. These are the same people already violating the rules and getting away with it. They simply don’t care until they get caught, and even then, many still don’t care and just wait for their next chance to break the law in their quest.

If you want any trail cam ban to be effective it has to come with a provision in it that any trail cam on public property is legally considered abandoned property, or better yet, litter. It would be the only way to make a difference because then hunters could police it themselves. We already know law enforcement isn’t going to be able to. How many cameras does one have to lose before the cost starts outweighing the benefit?

 

[elkassassin]

Hey Niller!

There's enough Money out there they'll do as they Please!

You Knock one Down!

They'll throw 6 more up!

The Biggest Issue is the Boys that know how to Play the Game!

They Strategically Place Cameras to watch the other Camera/Camera Thief!

Boils Down To a few ASS-WHOOPINS on the Mountain!

All over a PISSCUTTER!

There is no doubt people will still run cameras even after a ban. These are the same people already violating the rules and getting away with it. They simply don’t care until they get caught, and even then, many still don’t care and just wait for their next chance to break the law in their quest.

If you want any trail cam ban to be effective it has to come with a provision in it that any trail cam on public property is legally considered abandoned property, or better yet, litter. It would be the only way to make a difference because then hunters could police it

themselves. We already know law enforcement isn’t going to be able to. How many cameras does one have to lose before the cost starts outweighing the benefit?

There is no doubt people will still run cameras even after a ban. These are the same people already violating the rules and getting away with it. They simply don’t care until they get caught, and even then, many still don’t care and just wait for their next chance to break the law in their quest.

If you want any trail cam ban to be effective it has to come with a provision in it that any trail cam on public property is legally considered abandoned property, or better yet, litter. It would be the only way to make a difference because then hunters could police it themselves. We already know law enforcement isn’t going to be able to. How many cameras does one have to lose before the cost starts outweighing the benefit?

There is no doubt people will still run cameras even after a ban. These are the same people already violating the rules and getting away with it. They simply don’t care until they get caught, and even then, many still don’t care and just wait for their next chance to break the law in their quest.

If you want any trail cam ban to be effective it has to come with a provision in it that any trail cam on public property is legally considered abandoned property, or better yet, litter. It would be the only way to make a difference because then hunters could police it themselves. We already know law enforcement isn’t going to be able to. How many cameras does one have to lose before the cost starts outweighing the benefit?

 

[Vanilla]

One thing you always need to remember, no matter how tough you think you are, there is always someone tougher.

How embarrassing would it be to lose your camera AND the fight?

 

[grizzly]

I never called anyone a poacher!

You're correct, you didn't. I did.

That's the word I use for people who take wildlife by unlawful means. Especially when it's done intentionally and for the purpose of gaining an advantage over lawful hunters to seek trophy game.

 

[roadrunner]

There is no doubt people will still run cameras even after a ban. These are the same people already violating the rules and getting away with it. They simply don’t care until they get caught, and even then, many still don’t care and just wait for their next chance to break the law in their quest.

If you want any trail cam ban to be effective it has to come with a provision in it that any trail cam on public property is legally considered abandoned property, or better yet, litter. It would be the only way to make a difference because then hunters could police it themselves. We already know law enforcement isn’t going to be able to. How many cameras does one have to lose before the cost starts outweighing the benefit?

Except that both BLM and USFS allow private property to be in place for a certain period of time such as every 14 days you have to move a camp on USFS land.

The real issue with game cameras, in this case, is the unrelentless harassment of wildlife in travel corridors and feeding/watering areas with unnecessary people traffic in pursuit of getting a "fix".

 

[Vanilla]

A message I continually have heard the last two years in Utah is “the elk just aren’t where they used to be.”

Maybe what roadrunner is saying is the reason?

 

[grizzly]

Except that both BLM and USFS allow private property to be in place for a certain period of time such as every 14 days you have to move a camp on USFS land.

It looks like private property is considered abandoned after 72 hours.

 

[elkassassin]

Easy there Niller Tough Guy!

I Didn't Say it was gonna Be Me Losing a Camera!

I Don't Even Own any of them!

Just Sayin it'll Happen!

One thing you always need to remember, no matter how tough you think you are, there is always someone tougher.

How embarrassing would it be to lose your camera AND the fight?

 

[roadrunner]

It looks like private property is considered abandoned after 72 hours.
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Except a trail camera is not a vehicle, tent, or camper.

Trail camera would fall under the same category as a treestand or ground blind.

Forest ranger once told me that technically, a hunter would have to move their treestand every 14 days.

It's obvious you don't agree with me, and that's fine.

 

[Bluehair]

There is no doubt people will still run cameras even after a ban. These are the same people already violating the rules and getting away with it. They simply don’t care until they get caught, and even then, many still don’t care and just wait for their next chance to break the law in their quest.

If you want any trail cam ban to be effective it has to come with a provision in it that any trail cam on public property is legally considered abandoned property, or better yet, litter. It would be the only way to make a difference because then hunters could police it themselves. We already know law enforcement isn’t going to be able to. How many cameras does one have to lose before the cost starts outweighing the benefit?

How about you lose your license for say 5 years? Tickets are bullchit.

 

[Bluehair]

It looks like private property is considered abandoned after 72 hours.
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If only there were a provision for finders-keepers after 72 hours.

Or I could settle for any enforcement at all. Camps start going in around here on Labor Day.

 

[hawkbill]

I’ve been hauling the plastic boxes out of the woods for years, trash in the forest. They finally said enough is enough, go figure. I laugh at the amount of money spent on cameras in Arizona, good luck selling them

 

[elkassassin]

Hey hawk!

Just List them For Sale in TARDville!

Where any & Every thing Goes!

We've got alot of Christmas Tree's in the woods!

I’ve been hauling the plastic boxes out of the woods for years, trash in the forest. They finally said enough is enough, go figure. I laugh at the amount of money spent on cameras in Arizona, good luck selling them

 

[hawkbill]

Elkass, this is true, now Utah will buy out Arizona’s trail cams. Look out Pauns and the Henerys, the radicals still run the cameras in Idaho, the wolf watchers. Like I said trash in the forest

 

[antlerradar]

All for restrictions on public land.
Montana tried a ban on cameras during season for use as a aid in hunting. It failed measurably.

 

[wapitiman]

If it becomes a law then other hunters will surely help regulate by tearing them down, breaking them, putting tape or a branch in the way. Even when it’s not a law these things already happen unfortunately. I love using mine. But I would love it even more if they were banned in every state. I think we have too many advantages over the game animals. Taking away one would help the animals.

 

[roadrunner]

Next up: open sight only on rifles and longbows/recurve for archery.

 

[Elkslayer]

Thermal imaging has been getting popular with some of the bigger outfitters as well. Check the cameras before light and if a good animal has hit them, just start scanning.

 

[Vanilla]

Roadrunner, the post Grizz put up is not just about vehicles. It says “property” unattended for 72 hours is considered abandoned. Not vehicles. Property. I certainly think a camera is considered property.

Bessy, I don’t think I’m tough at all. I’m the last guy you’re going to see trying to get in a chest puffing contest out there, because I’m smart enough to know that no matter how tough I think I am, there is always someone tougher. So it’s just easier to realize I’m old, not tough, and let the real tough guys look stupid. Like I said, it would add injury to insult to have your camera taken and your butt kicked at the same time.

 

[JPickett]

can you bear bait in Arizona? i really dont know, thats why im asking. thats the only thing i use a trail cam for and i could understand a guy getting bent up about not being able to have a cam on his bait site. even so , its not like you couldn't still run a successful bait

 

[BOHNTR]

can you bear bait in Arizona? i really dont know, thats why im asking. thats the only thing i use a trail cam for and i could understand a guy getting bent up about not being able to have a cam on his bait site. even so , its not like you couldn't still run a successful bait

No baiting in AZ, including bears.

 

[roadrunner]

Roadrunner, the post Grizz put up is not just about vehicles. It says “property” unattended for 72 hours is considered abandoned. Not vehicles. Property. I certainly think a camera is considered property.

In the traditions of a designated camping area, both developed and undeveloped non-pay.

Treestands are common and not necessarily occupied all the time, frequently "abandoned" for days at a time as are pop-up groundblinds.

The point is to not have large eyesore equipment just sitting there, potentially causing leaks of chemicals unpoliced.

Surely, most anyone understands the intent of the rule...

 

[elkassassin]

Hey Niller!

You Know I'm Just Trying to Raise Your Blood Pressure!

I Like To RAZZ You Once in a While & You Know That!

Roadrunner, the post Grizz put up is not just about vehicles. It says “property” unattended for 72 hours is considered abandoned. Not vehicles. Property. I certainly think a camera is considered property.

Bessy, I don’t think I’m tough at all. I’m the last guy you’re going to see trying to get in a chest puffing contest out there, because I’m smart enough to know that no matter how tough I think I am, there is always someone tougher. So it’s just easier to realize I’m old, not tough, and let the real tough guys look stupid. Like I said, it would add injury to insult to have your camera taken and your butt kicked at the same time.

 

[Globalhunter]

Long live freedom, capitalism, and one's right to do as they choose!

 

[grizzly]

Long live freedom, capitalism, and one's right to do as they choose!

Sure, why have wildlife laws at all?

Everybody should just go hunt how, when, where, and what they please.

smh

 

[AZGuy]

Long live freedom, capitalism, and one's right to do as they choose!

 

[callsalot]

Wow, so many post I only could read half of them. I hope this is true also and other states follow. Bring the hunt back to hunting. Also carry a baseball bat with you so when you see an illegal trailcam you can practice your swing on them!

 

[roadrunner]

Wow, so many post I only could read half of them. I hope this is true also and other states follow. Bring the hunt back to hunting. Also carry a baseball bat with you so when you see an illegal trailcam you can practice your swing on them!

Wouldn't a law abiding hunter just report it instead of destroying it?

 

[elkassassin]

They don't do that in TARDville roadrunner!

I Can Guarantee You if Your Cams Ain't in Lock Boxes With Quality Locks Something's gonna Happen!

Wouldn't a law abiding hunter just report it instead of destroying it?

 

[Bluehair]

If you smash it and leave it there is it still littering?

 

[hawkbill]

That’s why I haul them off and put them in the trash. I don’t get that you think it’s fine to leave your trash in the woods or anything else. The only thing that should be left in the woods are tracks

 

[Bluehair]

I'm not a litterbug; hell I'm scared to go into the woods. I'm strongly behind the finders keepers rule.

 

[roadrunner]

That’s why I haul them off and put them in the trash. I don’t get that you think it’s fine to leave your trash in the woods or anything else. The only thing that should be left in the woods are tracks

Would you haul off a tent or pop-up camper? Afterall, it's abandoned property isn't it if left unattended for 3 days?

At least that's what we've been informed anyway...

 

[Vanilla]

Would you haul off a tent or pop-up camper? Afterall, it's abandoned property isn't it if left unattended for 3 days?

At least that's what we've been informed anyway...

I'd be totally fine if the enforcement included this for truly unattended trailers and campers. People leaving their trailers on the mountain all year when they aren't staying in them are a stain on the outdoors. I personally would not haul off anything, including a camera.

However, if the law changed where certain personal property were prohibited on public lands, and we were encouraged to police enforcement of it due to certain provisions of that prohibition, my opinion on that may change.

 

[hawkbill]

That is another problem if you’d like to discuss it , guys leaving their camps in the woods for months, I’m not a thief I would never bother anyone’s personal belongings , the camera thing is way out of control and when I saw if turn for the worst in Idaho when Defenders of Wildlife started putting them everywhere Not just watching wolves , but watching hunters after wolves, than the harassment . Maybe Im getting old and had some very good hunting through out my life, but there is Something special when it’s just myself and the animal I have not seen yet.

 

[JPickett]

i packed a camp out of the wilderness once. guys had been leaving there chit in there year round. cooler,pots and pans, camp chairs. i finally got tired of seeing it every time i hiked though there. it was litter, been there for at least 5 years and they thought they could just leave that set up for them to come back to. i packed it all up in the cooler one summer, strapped it to my back and put it in the dumpster at the trail head. your welcome

 

[roadrunner]

I'd be totally fine if the enforcement included this for truly unattended trailers and campers. People leaving their trailers on the mountain all year when they aren't staying in them are a stain on the outdoors. I personally would not haul off anything, including a camera.

However, if the law changed where certain personal property were prohibited on public lands, and we were encouraged to police enforcement of it due to certain provisions of that prohibition, my opinion on that may change.

Wouldn't that be tampering with evidence though? If there is a law against something, then there is likely a penalty assigned as well. How is that penalty going to be assigned if there is no proof?

If there is no penalty assigned, then it wouldn't be a big deal to use the illegal equipment, it won't cost you anything except the $30 camera you bought off Camofire on 'Trailcam Tuesday'....

 

[elkassassin]

Hey Niller!

There are some up-coming changes on Trail Cams!

And They are Relying on You & Others in the Woods to Enforce them!

So Niller!

You Might have to Change Your Ways!

I'd be totally fine if the enforcement included this for truly unattended trailers and campers. People leaving their trailers on the mountain all year when they aren't staying in them are a stain on the outdoors. I personally would not haul off anything, including a camera.

However, if the law changed where certain personal property were prohibited on public lands, and we were encouraged to police enforcement of it due to certain provisions of that prohibition, my opinion on that may change.

 

[wetmule]

#Ban them... it's cheating just like #Bidencheated

 

[roadrunner]

#Ban them... it's cheating just like #Bidencheated

So, when the electors give the win to biden next week and the SCOTUS rejects the lawsuits and rule the election is valid, does that mean that trailcams won't be cheating anymore?

Asking for a friend and this is my favorite thread today.

 

[Vanilla]

Hey Niller!

There are some up-coming changes on Trail Cams!

And They are Relying on You & Others in the Woods to Enforce them!

So Niller!

You Might have to Change Your Ways!

I doubt I’ll be spending too much time taking down cameras and hauling them out, regardless of what happens. My opinion on this is much more about what it would take to make a prohibition effective, rather than how I personally feel.

That said, I think they should ban trail cams that send images to another device/location at a minimum. I’m not against trail cams, per se, but we’ve got to draw the line on technology somewhere. That seems like a reasonable place to start.

 

[elkassassin]

But Niller,

That Tells Me You need to Update To More High Tech Stuff!

(((RAZZIN YA!)))

There's a Big List of what needs to Happen!


You want Me to Re-Post 'HELL-RIGHT'?

I doubt I’ll be spending too much time taking down cameras and hauling them out, regardless of what happens. My opinion on this is much more about what it would take to make a prohibition effective, rather than how I personally feel.

That said, I think they should ban trail cams that send images to another device/location at a minimum. I’m not against trail cams, per se, but we’ve got to draw the line on technology somewhere. That seems like a reasonable place to start.

 

[JakeInLasVegas]

I did not see a single trail cam this year in Nevada outside of the legal time frame. So far the legislation seems to have been effective. Having people constantly approach watering holes to check cameras in arid country can really limit animal access to water.

 

[UCNELK]

Maybe someone with a licence has to apply for tail cam tags like they do with bait in Idaho. Then give them 3 tags that have to be on each camera?

 

[SlowElk]

Anyone in Arizona want to give away their telephone trail camera? I've got a remote property and I'd incorporate the camera into the security system for trespassers

 

[money]

I feel a Ban is a good thing. It has gotten way out of hand and is being abused mostly by outfitters for huge profits. If only they would get rid of the dang governors tags as well. Sure it raises a lot of money, but it is making hunting more and more a rich man's game. I'm 100% certain that big money outfitters will still find ways to abuse the system if there is a ban, but a camera ban is a step in the right direction.

I love the thought of an animal being able to slip through the cracks and live for years because nobody has a clue he is there. That is one of the best parts of hunting, the chance to have an absolute giant step out that nobody knew was around. I also feel that is part of being a hunter, learning to find animals on your own without the help of a camera doing your work for you. I love running my two cameras, but don't need to do so to find success or enjoy hunting. Take them away and i'll still scout and hunt legally.

And like it or not, if cameras are illegal and you use them anyway to hunt you are now a poacher. Hunters don't poach and poachers aren't hunters. I love seeing people talk about how they will still use them no matter what, but in my eyes you are a poacher if you knowingly break game laws.

Not to mention it would be easy for hunters to self police illegally placed cameras. Most of them are on water and most water in arizona is easy to get to. If you go out and see a camera all you have to do is come back a few hours later or the next day with a rifle and shoot the dang thing a time or two from 80-100 yards and the camera owner would have no idea who did it. It's that simple. No risk of being on camera and the camera is forever ruined.

 

[JakeInLasVegas]

Not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet in this thread. One of the major issues with trail cams over water is that people checking cameras can really mess up an archery hunt. Almost every watering hole in Arizona has a natural blind set up near it for archery hunters to use. They are first come first served. Imagine how frustrated you would be if you were sitting water with a coveted archery bull tag and every day some sub guide rolls in to check their camera and busts out every critter approaching the water source.

 

[BOHNTR]

Not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet in this thread. One of the major issues with trail cams over water is that people checking cameras can really mess up an archery hunt. Almost every watering hole in Arizona has a natural blind set up near it for archery hunters to use. They are first come first served. Imagine how frustrated you would be if you were sitting water with a coveted archery bull tag and every day some sub guide rolls in to check their camera and busts out every critter approaching the water source.

That happens quite often with several flat brimmed outfits these days......and with the intent to ensure you do not shoot the animal that their client wants! It’s not being done by them to simply check their camera.

 

[JakeInLasVegas]

That happens quite often with several flat brimmed outfits these days......and with the intent to ensure you do not shoot the animal that their client wants! It’s not being done by them to simply check their camera.

I didn't want to phrase it that way because I did not have first hand knowledge but your statement is consistent with what I have heard from others.

 

[hawkbill]

I heard it was a real mess and got ugly because a lot of guys were hauling water to dry tanks, and other guys constantly coming in or Evan coming in and setting up another blind while someone is sitting in one

 

[SlowElk]

Google Arizona game and fish commission, look at their meeting minutes from December 4th. They're planning on banning all trail cams. Just finished reading it.

 

[roadrunner]

I caught a guy carrying a crossbow cocked and ready to rock during an archery hunt and his buddy had his bow. As they aporoached the area, they were walking along pointing to the ground. They were walking up to a trick tank following deer tracks. It was the last day of the deer archery hunt.

The crossbow guy was fully capable of drawing a handheld bow. It was obvious he was the snap shooter for his buddy who had the tag...

 

[BOHNTR]

I caught a guy carrying a crossbow cocked and ready to rock during an archery hunt and his buddy had his bow. As they aporoached the area, they were walking along pointing to the ground. They were walking up to a trick tank following deer tracks. It was the last day of the deer archery hunt.

The crossbow guy was fully capable of drawing a handheld bow. It was obvious he was the snap shooter for his buddy who had the tag...

He very well could have been legal......doesn’t take much to get a doctor’s note here and legally use a crossgun.

 

[slamdunk]

He very well could have been legal......doesn’t take much to get a doctor’s note here and legally use a crossgun.

I know a guy extremely well who is a competitive bodybuilder with a perfect physique who got a Dr's excuse to hunt with a crossbow because he claims his shoulder injuries don't allow him to draw a bow, yet he can do dumbell rows with 200lb dumbells and do every pulling exercise in the books for his back and rear delts.
He killed a great buck this year on the archery hunt with his crossbow.
Yes he's a "flat brimmer" Instagram star, selfie taking wanna be public figure.

 

[Elkslayer2015]

I’ve ran cameras for about 12 years and it has never gave me an edge i can honestly say I have never harvested any animals that I had on my trail cameras and their is a lot of my friends that can say the same as well.
That said I would be okay with them getting rid of them....

 

[roadrunner]

He very well could have been legal......doesn’t take much to get a doctor’s note here and legally use a crossgun.

I doubt it, but maybe. Regardless, you cannot walk around with it cocked and ready...

 

[BOHNTR]

I doubt it, but maybe. Regardless, you cannot walk around with it cocked and ready...

Why?

 

[Vanilla]

That Tells Me You need to Update To More High Tech Stuff!

I probably do need that! I still use binos that are older than many of the MM members. They say “Made in West Germany” on them. That’s a long time ago! I have a scope that has turrets on it, but I’ve never taken the time to figure out how to use them.

You want Me to Re-Post 'HELL-RIGHT'

No! Please no.

 

[elkassassin]

How Bout My 1978 Bushnell Spotter Niller?

Will they Take it Too?

"HELL-RIGHT" Hurts!

But Until it Happens, Count QUALITY Out!

48 Years of Destroying Quality doesn't get Fixed Over Night!

 

[hawkbill]

I think it’s time to post Hell Right!

 

[elkassassin]

Did You Ever See it hawk?

I think it’s time to post Hell Right!

 

[money]

I doubt it, but maybe. Regardless, you cannot walk around with it cocked and ready...

who says you can't walk around with your crossbow cocked? That is how crossbows work!

I can see it now, "there I was! the buck had no idea i was sitting there and started to feed into my shooting lane. I quietly and slowly drew my crossbow, knocked a bolt and let him have it!"

you probably think it's illegal to walk around with a bullet in the chamber too!

 

[StickFlicker]

Once the trail cams are banned it's hard to say how many will use them, but I'm sure some will continue. It's likely when this trail cam ban goes into effect I think the law abiding hunters will remove any trail cam set by somebody not following the rules.

How would they KNOW that the trail cameras would be illegal in order to justify removing (stealing) them? The G&F can, and will, only pass laws to make it illegal to take game using trail cameras. It will still be completely legal for a person to enjoy watching game with cameras, they just won't be allowed to use the information for hunting purposes. Taking a camera would still be stealing and a punishable crime.

 

[roadrunner]

Why?

who says you can't walk around with your crossbow cocked? That is how crossbows work!

I can see it now, "there I was! the buck had no idea i was sitting there and started to feed into my shooting lane. I quietly and slowly drew my crossbow, knocked a bolt and let him have it!"

you probably think it's illegal to walk around with a bullet in the chamber too!

Oh, I don't know. Maybe because it has the same advantage that a drawlock does on a regular bow which is illegal to use in the state the pic was taken in...

 

[money]

Oh, I don't know. Maybe because it has the same advantage that a drawlock does on a regular bow which is illegal to use in the state the pic was taken in...

So what is the law in Arizona on crossbows? does it say you cannot have it drawn? It is next to impossible to hunt with a crossbow if it is not cocked while out hunting. genuinely curious if it's illegal or not. sounds like a made up rule.

 

[BOHNTR]

Oh, I don't know. Maybe because it has the same advantage that a drawlock does on a regular bow which is illegal to use in the state the pic was taken in...

Sorry, RR, you are incorrect. There is no statute that prevents LEGAL crossgunners from having their weapon locked back, a bolt inserted, and on safe.

For the record, I don't like folks who feign their 'injuries' to legally obtain a crossgun permit for the archery season either. However, that doesn't mean I should 'make up rules' to trash them. JMO

 

[Ultimag]

Ban their use in all states. Lets get back to Hunting instead of. Shooting & poaching

 

[hawkbill]

I believe I saw Hell Right or have heard bits and pieces through MM, maybe we need a refreshing thread. This is getting old , talking about plastic trash boxes left in the woods. If any of you guys had balls you would get out there and hunt like Ben Lilly.

 

[roadrunner]

Sorry, RR, you are incorrect. There is no statute that prevents LEGAL crossgunners from having their weapon locked back, a bolt inserted, and on safe.

For the record, I don't like folks who feign their 'injuries' to legally obtain a crossgun permit for the archery season either. However, that doesn't mean I should 'make up rules' to trash them. JMO

Sure about that? You speak for all states, correct? First and foremost, you need to understand what mobility impaired means and what the requirements are to be approved in the state I'm talking about where the trailcam pic was taken. Second, sitting in a ground blind with a crossBOW cocked and ready is quite different than a dude walking around and fully mobile.

You are making an assumption pretending you know what you're talking about in this scenario. I have a nephew that meets the criteria to qualify for a mobility impaired permit on several levels, so don't sit there on your self-righteous high horse and talk to me about making stuff up to "trash them".

Good day, Moderator.

So what is the law in Arizona on crossbows? does it say you cannot have it drawn? It is next to impossible to hunt with a crossbow if it is not cocked while out hunting. genuinely curious if it's illegal or not. sounds like a made up rule.

Who said anything about AZ? I said the state the pics were taken in. Try and keep up next time.

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The pair of you can quote my post in reply all you want, It'll be for your own egos if you do...

 

[BOHNTR]

Sure about that? You speak for all states, correct? First and foremost, you need to understand what mobility impaired means and what the requirements are to be approved in the state I'm talking about where the trailcam pic was taken. Second, sitting in a ground blind with a crossBOW cocked and ready is quite different than a dude walking around and fully mobile.

You are making an assumption pretending you know what you're talking about in this scenario. I have a nephew that meets the criteria to qualify for a mobility impaired permit on several levels, so don't sit there on your self-righteous high horse and talk to me about making stuff up to "trash them".

Good day, Moderator.



Who said anything about AZ? I said the state the pics were taken in. Try and keep up next time.

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The pair of you can quote my post in reply all you want, It'll be for your own egos if you do...

Well, I am sure about that. But if you are so sure of yourself and know how to interpret the law, please provide a link to the AZ statute that states a crossgun cannot be locked back with a bolt loaded and on safe while hunting? I would like to see that.

As for assumptions, I believe you did that in your post above....that’s why we’re discussing it now.......and, in case you didn’t realize it, this entire thread is about ARIZONA.

 

[mike111]

How would they KNOW that the trail cameras would be illegal in order to justify removing (stealing) them? The G&F can, and will, only pass laws to make it illegal to take game using trail cameras. It will still be completely legal for a person to enjoy watching game with cameras, they just won't be allowed to use the information for hunting purposes. Taking a camera would still be stealing and a punishable crime.

If the commission chooses to ban them it will be interesting to see how they word it in the regulations. If it says it's illegal to take game using trail cameras then there will likely still be game cams being used and I just don't think the hunters will be leaving those cams alone like they currently are. There would be no way to tell who's cam is really being used legally, so it would make it easy for someone to get away with using them when they shouldn't and with other hunters knowing that I think they would just clear them all of the trees for the just in case scenario. Not saying I'm in support of this behavior, just don't see it working out very well for the trail cam users if it is written in the regulations this way.

 

[elkassassin]

There's gonna be a Word /Name for these Guys that will Still Run Trail Cams no matter what Law is Passed!

They Will Be Hired By Guides & Outfitters!

They will Be NON-HUNTERS (For the Most Part!) but in a Round-about way get the Pics Delivered Back to Who Needs them & Wants them & Life goes on perty much as it is now!

Money will Rule!

As Always!

And!

Do You Think Trail Cams really need to be 6" X 8" X 3" in size?

As Soon as the Mini-Cams come out you'll Have Hell even seeing/Finding one to Knock off the Tree!

I've already discussed it with a few Law Officials & when Trail Cams are Banned they Say Hunters will be the Best Enforcement!

Until 'HELL RIGHT' is Enforced it Ain't gonna Matter anyway!

The Changes to Bring Quality Back would be so severe the Average Hunter would Weep!

It Will Take More than Just Banning Trail Cams!

Might be Interesting to Mix some UFC with Hunting!

Here's one for You!

I Guess We had a Guy/Hunter that Thought He had a Secret Spot in the Woods this Year!

HINT:There Are No F'N Secrets anymore!

Jr Had His Trail Cams Locked up Good Enough with Custom Built Lock Boxes the Average THIEF Couldn't F'With them!

The JOKER Wrote us a Note on a Piece of Paper & Then Put it so Close to Jr's Cam for the Pic that You couldn't Read what the Note Said!

But I'm sure it was some kinda BS!

He Was Smart Enough not To get His MUG in front of the Camera!

48 Years of POOR DEER Management & People Think Banning Trail-Cams Alone will Fix it......................................NOT!

 

[money]

Sure about that? You speak for all states, correct? First and foremost, you need to understand what mobility impaired means and what the requirements are to be approved in the state I'm talking about where the trailcam pic was taken. Second, sitting in a ground blind with a crossBOW cocked and ready is quite different than a dude walking around and fully mobile.

You are making an assumption pretending you know what you're talking about in this scenario. I have a nephew that meets the criteria to qualify for a mobility impaired permit on several levels, so don't sit there on your self-righteous high horse and talk to me about making stuff up to "trash them".

Good day, Moderator.



Who said anything about AZ? I said the state the pics were taken in. Try and keep up next time.

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The pair of you can quote my post in reply all you want, It'll be for your own egos if you do...

I think you are one that hasn't kept up! We have all been talking about Arizona the whole time. If you didn't see that it's not our fault. And nobody cares what it takes to be mobility impaired because that is not what we were talking about either. We asked what the law is in Arizona! Heck, why don't you provide the law in any state! I doubt many (if any) states allow you to hunt with a crossbow but don't allow you to have it drawn while out hiking around.

Lots of people have the ability hike around but not draw a bow, hence the special rule to allow for crossbows. Yes some people abuse it, but not everyone does. i'm sure when you see some guy walking around with a crossbow you assume he's not handicapped enough to use a crossbow but you don't actually know what might be causing them to have to use a crossbow. My dad has archery hunted most of his life but can no longer draw a bow due to some tendons in his elbow. So he has a crossbow permit and is 100% legal and legit! And he even hikes around with the crossbow drawn and ready to go.... can you believe that? what a horrible dude!