boycotting the expo

hornkiller

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If you like sending already filthy rich con artists on private hunts then head on down to slc this Feb! If you really care about your wildlife and fellow sportsmen you should stay well away from anything that has to do with making an organization that loves to rape and pillage the average sportsmen out of there last dollar that can't turn around and buy a guided tag and hunt like 90% of the clowns that are getting rich off the expo.
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Go get them hornkiller. You are spot on. I ask you and you confirmed you know all that goes on in SFW. So good to know I should be asking you.
 
People just don't stick to their principals today. The have a greed for tags that makes them stupid. Everyone has an agenda the hell with principals!

Justin
 
I never fall for the scam that is the expo. I don't care if I got a premium tag the system is corrupt and sfw Is a joke. Guys who actually throw thousands of dollars and think they have a decent shot at a tag crack me up. I will save my money and go on a alaska hunt
 
The tags are public property and we all have rights to them, and I don't think that is necessarily a violation of principles.

An alternative would be to apply for the tags and still boycott the Expo... just don't go inside. That way one can keep access to what is his, while not supporting those he disagrees with.

Grizzly
 
>People just don't stick to their
>principals today. The have a
>greed for tags that makes
>them stupid. Everyone has an
>agenda the hell with principals!
>
>
>Justin


principals run the school.....
 
>The tags are public property and
>we all have rights to
>them, and I don't think
>that is necessarily a violation
>of principles.
>
>An alternative would be to apply
>for the tags and still
>boycott the Expo... just don't
>go inside. That way one
>can keep access to what
>is his, while not supporting
>those he disagrees with.
>
>Grizzly

You nailed it griz.....no one is making anyone fork out any money to walk into the main lobby and apply for our public tags.


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Birdman I'm still waiting for a detailed list of all the projects and hundreds of thousands of dollers that you and sfw have done personally in "my old stomping grounds" but im not holding my breath when the conversation has sfw in it!
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I agree, but I can't give them $3.50 an application. Some will still choose to do so, and that's fine it's their money and decisions. I am out on the expo for good at this point.
 
Agreed cosa. Rmef should do the same. Birdturd is drunk from the kool-aid. It's obvious he's a follower and not a leader. Wait for it....
 
COSA---Looks like you will be boycotting an entire industry, because it look to be
sold out to some bass ass booths for next 5 years. Hope they can stay afloat with out ya. Going to be tough........ Not!
 
If you look at the list, I'm not seeing a whole lot that most of us could do w/o, has non-Utah competition, or can be "persuaded" with an email campaign. I really think your arrogant corruption is going to backfire. The end is now near...
 
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Corruption is too entrenched - the arrogance of those involved will come full circle. Just takes longer in SLC and Chicago....
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-18-15 AT 07:32PM (MST)[p]I've dropped $200 every year in applications fees since the beginning. I think the Expo has been going 9 years. So I've dropped $1800 for no tags. This doesn't include entrance fees. SFW has pocketed $1260 from my wallet. An additional $540 should have gone to the DWR projects.

If anyone from SFW or the DWR reads this; I want you to know I'm done. NO CASH FOR YOU!
 
Just cough up the $6 Million and nobody cares. Don't you get it. Conservation is about preserving habitat. Utah has no clue regarding the value of the RMEF in this State. Let's be honest. SFW has been dwindling in membership for years. Their promises have fallen short. Don had to start BGF and latch on to some other major controversy to solicit money from the State to line there pockets and keep them afloat. The kool-aid is really strong. Why don't they open up there books and show where the money goes? Why don't they just admit that if there were no Expo tags there would be no SFW. If Don Peay has nothing to do with SFW now, then why was he at the meeting today? Because he benefits financially from the Expo. WAKE UP.
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-18-15 AT 07:43PM (MST)[p] The public has tried to give its opinions, and it has continued business as usual. If this decision stings you, I would stop supporting the expo in all forms. These people have convinced themselves they are the best answer and we won't stand up to them anyway. Stop throwing cash their way and they might actually start listening. It's hard to complain and then keep supporting. End your support, not only for the expo but the DWR if you are a nonresident, take your business elsewhere. If I could afford to hunt everything out of state at this point I would, maybe it's time to leave Utah altogether, there's not much that goes on here I like.
 
I have never supported the SFW since the whole expo tag thing started! They are corrupt and bad for the average DIY hunter!

As a result myself and my family will continue to boycott the expo, SFW and sadly hunting Utah as it is obvious they are corrupt as hell!
 
>LAST EDITED ON Dec-18-15
>AT 07:32?PM (MST)

>
>I've dropped $200 every year in
>applications fees since the beginning.
>I think the Expo has
>been going 9 years. So
>I've dropped $1800 for no
>tags. This doesn't include entrance
>fees. SFW has pocketed $1260
>from my wallet. An additional
>$540 should have gone to
>the DWR projects.
>
>If anyone from SFW or the
>DWR reads this; I want
>you to know I'm done.
>NO CASH FOR YOU!

If you factor In fuel parking cost hotel stays etc you could be close to buying a damn tag that's the route I am going
 
Hornkiller, lets see, I am trying to figure your old stomping grounds. There was the replanting of both pine trees and bitter brush on dry mountain after the fire. The chaining if the cedars up Spanish fork canyon, the guzzlers put in up Spanish fork canyon, the transplanting of sheep on the oak creeks, the transplant of deer on the oak creeks. The transplant of deer on the pahvant. The release of pheasants west of Payson, Benjamin, and local areas and that includes hens in the spring. The list goes on. I do know that you know that 90% of the conservation money has to go back on the ground and yes the state audits all the groups every year.
I do hope that you and all others have a great Christmas.
 
Add a .com to 99% of those booths Names and you can get the same product without making sfw rich! Now if we could get 50% of the public to stop buying from those expo booths they might reconsider there 5 years investment! in the end I will really hurt the cons and the booths still have the .com
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Do all those projects include all the $500+ an hour swf big wigs wages to sit idle why all these projects are completed? How long has it been since youve seen the top 15 sfw officials out in the field getting there hands dirty? I'm not sure how much of whatever they have slipped in your koolaid over the years or what they have rewarded you with birdman but I could sure use a huge dose of it!
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LAST EDITED ON Dec-18-15 AT 09:02PM (MST)[p]>Hornkiller, lets see, I
>am trying to figure your
>old stomping grounds. There
>was the replanting of both
>pine trees and bitter brush
>on dry mountain after the
>fire. The chaining if
>the cedars up Spanish fork
>canyon, the guzzlers put in
>up Spanish fork canyon, the
>transplanting of sheep on the
>oak creeks, the transplant of
>deer on the oak creeks.
>The transplant of deer on
>the pahvant. The release
>of pheasants west of Payson,
>Benjamin, and local areas and
>that includes hens in the
>spring. The list goes on.
>I do know that you
>know that 90% of the
>conservation money has to go
>back on the ground and
>yes the state audits all
>the groups every year.
> I
>do hope that you and
>all others have a great
>Christmas.


LOL! Yea and regarding auditors, what did the Auditors say about all the money BGF grabbed for birds/wolves that wasn't accounted for in any way shape or form just like their counterpart SFW does with their cooked books and tax returns that don't say squat where tons of money go, but do comply with the little bit the IRS requires. IMHO after this debacle that happened today anyone that attends the Expo or applies for any of those 200 tags is a loser and is just keeping the crooks in control.
 
I just attended my last expo, and the $1200 I spend on tags, hotels, gas, food, vendors, etc. every year is simply going right back to RMEF this year... and the next 5.
 
Hornkiller, $500 dollars an hour. Is that all they make? 4 people in the office and have been getting their Hands dirty on a regular bases. You see we all put in to get the job done. You want a dose of what they give me I will share. It's called satisfaction at seeing something else accomplished to promote and improve wildlife. You really need to try it. You need to boycott the expo. I'll bet you could get enough people together that no one would notice. Good luck with that.
Topgun, you can make all you want of it but the state seems to be satified. The cooked books seem to do just fine. If there was a problem with all the complaints a few on mm are making you would think the State and Feds would have done something but they do audit, find nothing wrong, and move on. Seems all things are kept in order. I would suggest with your investigate expertise you should come out here and fix the problem. As you Topgun have said, facts facts. Seemed reef made lots of promises what they would do but nothing factual to back up some of the issues. Isn't that what you told me in the past? Give me the facts,proof.
 
COSA~ O hell no! NOT a email campaign!!!! Were sorry! Did not think you would pull out the big guns..... our apologies! please forgive us and reconsider before you hit send!
 
>Hornkiller, $500 dollars an hour.
>Is that all they make?
> 4 people in the
>office and have been getting
>their Hands dirty on a
>regular bases. You see
>we all put in to
>get the job done.
>You want a dose of
>what they give me I
>will share. It's called
>satisfaction at seeing something else
>accomplished to promote and improve
>wildlife. You really need
>to try it. You
>need to boycott the
>expo. I'll bet you
>could get enough people together
>that no one would notice.
> Good luck with that.
>
> Topgun,
> you can make all
>you want of it but
>the state seems to be
>satified. The cooked books
>seem to do just fine.
> If there was a
>problem with all the complaints
>a few on mm are
>making you would think the
>State and Feds would have
>done something but they do
>audit, find nothing wrong, and
>move on. Seems all
>things are kept in order.
> I would suggest with
>your investigate expertise you should
>come out here and fix
>the problem. As you
>Topgun have said, facts facts.
> Seemed reef made lots
>of promises what they would
>do but nothing factual to
>back up some of the
>issues. Isn't that what
>you told me in the
>past? Give me the facts,proof.
>
>
You now sound like DP and the rest of the bum leaders in SFW! They knew damn well before today that SFW had the contract or they would have at least offered the entire $5 application fee back. Please stay the hell in your corrupt state and know that SFW will not be expanding anywhere else after this days debacle. Things you mentioned just shows how deeply entrenched the rotten apples are in your state.
PS: FYI there are a ton of people all over the various hunting websites that are posting tonight saying they will boycott the Expo and sponsors after the BS that happened today, so it's not just a few here on MM. I'm really disappointed in this post of yours! Please don't send me any more of your "feel good" PMs because you're either dumber than a stump to be enamored with DP and his ilk or maybe your pockets are also being lined. Nothin would surprize me any more after seeing what happened today!
 
DO NOT underestimate the power so social media.

A factual Facebook page could be an incredible tool.

If enough people ask these sponsors in this environment, where
The world can see, if they are aware of the controversy surrounding
The expo, they'll begin to wonder.




"The State of Utah has not given BGF anything.
They have invested in BGF to protect their
interests."
Birdman 4/15/15
 
"DO NOT underestimate the power so social media."



I love this line. I can remember a couple of years ago someone on these same forums talking about the "power of the internet". Yall dudes need to get out of the house more. You can't imagine how insignificant the internet is. I do a lot of business with a lot of powerful people and they don't give two squirts about the internet. Do you know why? IT HAS NO CREDIBILITY. Half the people don't believe what they see on TV and everybody with half a brain doesn't believe a damn thing they read or see on the internet. Do you realize there are actually internet competitions between nerds to see who can get the wildest lie on the internet to be picked up by a media group?

Idiots fear the "power of the internet".
 
>"DO NOT underestimate the power so
>social media."
>
>
>
>I love this line. I
>can remember a couple of
>years ago someone on these
>same forums talking about the
>"power of the internet".
>Yall dudes need to get
>out of the house more.
> You can't imagine how
>insignificant the internet is.
>I do a lot of
>business with a lot of
>powerful people and they don't
>give two squirts about the
>internet. Do you know
>why? IT HAS NO
>CREDIBILITY. Half the people
>don't believe what they see
>on TV and everybody with
>half a brain doesn't believe
>a damn thing they read
>or see on the internet.
> Do you realize there
>are actually internet competitions between
>nerds to see who can
>get the wildest lie on
>the internet to be picked
>up by a media group?
>
>
>Idiots fear the "power of the
>internet".

Oh, so that's why you post on here so much!
 
Tri, oughta ask Melissa Bachman how much a FB page cost her.



"The State of Utah has not given BGF anything.
They have invested in BGF to protect their
interests."
Birdman 4/15/15
 
>COSA~ O hell no! NOT a
>email campaign!!!! Were sorry!
>Did not think you would
>pull out the big guns.....
>our apologies! please forgive us
>and reconsider before you hit
>send!


an SFW representative at its finest
 
>"DO NOT underestimate the power so
>social media."
>
>
>
>I love this line. I
>can remember a couple of
>years ago someone on these
>same forums talking about the
>"power of the internet".
>Yall dudes need to get
>out of the house more.
> You can't imagine how
>insignificant the internet is.
>I do a lot of
>business with a lot of
>powerful people and they don't
>give two squirts about the
>internet. Do you know
>why? IT HAS NO
>CREDIBILITY. Half the people
>don't believe what they see
>on TV and everybody with
>half a brain doesn't believe
>a damn thing they read
>or see on the internet.
> Do you realize there
>are actually internet competitions between
>nerds to see who can
>get the wildest lie on
>the internet to be picked
>up by a media group?
>
>
>Idiots fear the "power of the
>internet".

another one of SFW's finest regarding public input. wow how could people actually look forward to investing in this group going forward with representation like that
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-19-15 AT 01:33PM (MST)[p]Salt Lake Tribune:

Just cry wolf. Your cash for the asking. March 10, 2013.
Anti-wolf group likely to get second $300,000 Utah payment: Money is included in budget despite Dems? insistence project is a ?waste.? By Brian Maffly.
Wharton: Sportsmen for Fish & Wildlife about wrong kind of bucks. By Tom Wharton. March 18, 2013.
Paying Peay?s handout. LTE. March 19, 2013

Even more troubling was the 2010 donation of $391,000 given to DWR director Jim Karpowitzby by Peay?s first organization, Sportsmen for Fish and Wildlife (SFW) just ?moments before the Wildlife Board passed a controversial proposal largely crafted and promoted by SFW to reduce the number of deer-hunting permits by at least 13,000.? The Tribune?s tells us that, in addition, SFW ?recently wrote a check for more than $1 million to the Utah Division of Wildlife Resources.?

Peay and Benson do not have the average Utah hunter in mind either. They get donations to their non-profit organizations from rich donor hunters. Not surprisingly, Peay, recently repudiated the North American model of wildlife management in favor of a privatization of wildlife model. See, for example, ?Sportsmen? stab Theodore Roosevelt in the back. High Country News. By Ben Long. Correspondingly, DWR is more and more giving preferences to rich hunters.

Utah elected offices in general have an air of conflict of interest and corruption about them ? one of the worst in America.

Unlike some states, where you have step aside on a vote if you have a conflict of interest, in Utah you vote yes or no and do not abstain. If you think you have a conflict of interest on a vote, the state?s law says you are supposed to say so at some point before or during the vote. What actually happens is a Utah legislator typical says ?I have a conflict of interest on this mater and I vote (aye, nay) on the bill.? He or she doesn't even have to say what the conflict is. See Utah criminal code on conflict of interest.



Wildlife and quite a few other things suffer in a one-party, one-religion, law-making body where self-aggrandizement has become the guiding principle.
 
Face book didn't cost her anything. Did Face book sue her? Did she breach a contract with facebook? A bunch of people who hated hunters said they hated her on a public forum. You can still book her for speaking engagement if you want. She is still hunting. Did she file bankruptcy and I didn't know it? Did she mention Facebook as one of her creditors in her bankruptcy???????

Amazing that you actually believe the garbage you type yourself.


People hate people. It happens everyday. Not everybody has to be your make believe buddy on a social media page. High school ended awhile back for most of us. If you offer a product that people want they will buy it from you regardless of what anonymous morons say on the internet. If those people are too chicken5hit to purchase what they want from who they want without fear of make believe internet hate then you don't want their business anyway.

You want to know what one of the main things every successful businessman I know talks about????? FIRING CLIENTS! That's right we do it all the time. We actually decide people aren't worth putting up with and we tell them to take a hike. There are plenty of good men and women out there to do business with. We don't have to do business with nutless internet haters.
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-19-15 AT 01:31PM (MST)[p]Consider a 2010 Utah Wildlife Board meeting when SFW president Byron Bateman presented then-DWR director Jim Karpowitz with a check for $391,000 moments before the Wildlife Board passed a controversial proposal largely crafted and promoted by SFW to reduce the number of deer-hunting permits by at least 13,000.

I fear that the organization has become increasingly more about making money for its officers, commercializing Utah's wildlife and aligning itself with groups such as off-highway vehicle organizations and right-wing politicians intent on Utah taking over federal public lands. How these things help wildlife or the average hunter escapes me.

Some of SFW's fundraising efforts concern me ? especially those taking advantage of hunters' mythical fears that the main reason for the decline in big-game herds, such as mule deer, is predation. Damn the biology or the fact that the reasons deer herds are down are far more complex. Advocating killing wolves, coyotes, cougars and bears to save deer, elk and other big game is a great way to raise funds and gain members. No matter that wiping out predators is ecologically questionable and, except in a few specific units, not particularly effective.

The organization successfully lobbied the Utah Legislature to appropriate general tax dollars as well as raise hunting license fees to increase bounties on coyotes, encouraging the wanton killing of coyotes everywhere. I can't find a single reputable biologist who thinks this action will help deer herds. But the simplistic solution sounds good to uninformed legislators and hunters and helps raise money.

The Utah Legislature also gave an offshoot SFW organization called Big Game Forever a second $300,000 contract to lobby Washington politicians to keep wolves out of Utah. Though a few stray wolves may have wandered into northern Utah, there is no evidence wolves ever are going to be a major problem in the state. There has been no detailed report as to how Big Game Forever spent the first $300,000. The group is not registered to lobby in Washington, D.C.

SFW and its officers also donate money freely to dozens of politicians.

One of the recipients was State Sen. Ralph Okerlund, R-Monroe, who received $6,500 in campaign contributions from Peay and Ryan Benson, co-founder of Big Game Forever. Okerlund, the Senate majority leader, recommended spending $300,000 this year on Big Game Forever's anti-wolf lobbying campaign.

Figuring out just how much Peay and other officers make in salary or consulting fees is challenging. Money is moved back and forth from nonprofits to private corporations among groups such as Sportsmen for Fish and Wildlife, Sportsmen for Habitat, Big Game Forever, Arctic Red River Outfitters, Peay Consulting, World Trophy Outfitters, the Full Curl Society, the Foundation for North American Wild Sheep, seven state chapters of SFW and the Mule Deer Foundation ? which is part of a major wildlife convention where the state gives conservation organizations wildlife tags to auction. The groups get to keep 10 percent of the proceeds for administrative costs. In the case of application fees raised at the 2012 Western Hunting and Conservation Expo, hunters pay in hopes of drawing a difficult-to-get hunting tag, SFW and the Mule Deer Foundation reported $613,572 in expenses of holding the drawing, with the remaining $443,417 actually going to conservation projects.

Has any of this helped big game in Utah? You be the judge.

The number of deer hunters afield dropped from 146,008 in 1993, when SFW was founded, to 80,425 in 2011. The number of bucks killed dropped from 23,024 to 21,291. The number of antelope, moose and bison that hunters and animals harvested also declined during that same time period.

The success stories are elk and bighorn sheep. Utah elk hunters have increased from 48,372 in 1993 to 57,241 in 2011, with the bull harvest going from 6,066 to 6,923. The bighorn sheep harvest jumped from 17 in 1993 to 54 in 2011.

While SFW and its many subsidiaries might do some good for wildlife, those who donate thinking they are helping big game should realize that many of these groups' officers have a heavy financial stake in the operation. And the continued commercialization of the public's wildlife should cause concern that herds are being managed not on the basis of sound biology but in ways to produce more cash.
 
Tritip, did she get the TV show gig??
Nope she did not. Why?? Social media.

Ever hear of a great TV show called Longmire??
Got cancelled by A&E. Fans on social media got
The show picked up again by Netflix.

Good Sam aka Camping World, went anti hunting, remember Lemonis issuing
A public apology to hunters??

You don't because your head is so far up your starfish you equate
Business success with being arrogant enough to tell the people that
Feed your fat ass to bugger off.


"The State of Utah has not given BGF anything.
They have invested in BGF to protect their
interests."
Birdman 4/15/15
 
Best post I've ever read on this site.

Bravo.



"The State of Utah has not given BGF anything.
They have invested in BGF to protect their
interests."
Birdman 4/15/15
 
>Best post I've ever read on
>this site.
>
>Bravo.

>"The State of Utah has not
>given BGF anything.
>They have invested in BGF to
>protect their
>interests."
>Birdman 4/15/15


I don't know if it's the best, but it's right up there with them!
 
Birdman there are some numbers for Ya! No I didn't find them no I didn't investigate them. What's going to be your line of $hit for these numbers? All the money goes back on the ground huh? By the looks of it those leaders hands are even more dirty than you stated!
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That's your opinion. Maybe those shows don't exist because they suck. How about that opinion.

How about success isn't defined by whether you have a tv show.

SOMEBODY MADE AN APOLOGY! Oh lawdy the internet is soooooo powerful!

As for telling people to bugger off, take it from this fatass, THERE IS MORE TO LIFE THAN BEING SOMEBODIES ##### TO GET YOUR NEXT MEAL BOY.
 
It seems crazy when on one post you here people cry that RMEF would give more money back to Utah and then complain when SFW gave money to the DWR. Tells me money ain't the issue.
 
Tritip you are and always will be my b$&/?



"The State of Utah has not given BGF anything.
They have invested in BGF to protect their
interests."
Birdman 4/15/15
 
>It seems crazy when on one
>post you here people cry
>that RMEF would give more
>money back to Utah and
>then complain when SFW gave
>money to the DWR.
>Tells me money ain't the
>issue.

As always, you are completely screwed up in your statement/analysis! The problem with SFW is that all the money was going in SFW/MDF people's pockets from those 200 convention tags when they initially were keeping the entire $5 application fee for themselves. Then when push came to shove they finally agreed to give back $1.50 to the DWR from each one and keep the other $3.50. The RMEF bid that was submitted not only would give back the entire $5, but also 100% of the money generated from the sale of all the auction tags and 50% of the net proceeds from what the entire convention would bring in. With a convention many times bigger than the present one that bid would bring in millions a year for wildlife and habitat enhancement compared to what SFW has been doing and now the contract that was voted and accepted is the same as the present one. If you can't see the travesty of this whole thing, then you are dumber than a stump just like Birdman and the rest of the SFW Koolaid drinkers! Please don't come back with any more of your foolishness because this will be the only response I'll give you, as all you care to do is get into pissing contests that result in a complete hijacking of every thread you post in.
 
>It seems crazy when on one
>post you here people cry
>that RMEF would give more
>money back to Utah and
>then complain when SFW gave
>money to the DWR.
>Tells me money ain't the
>issue.


That's the best you got hilarious nice defense
 
The expo has a no purchase necessary to win clause, meaning if you request free entry into the draw for permits they must allow it or it is gambling. So lets see if they allow me to obtain free entry, if they refuse I am reporting it to the other corrupt individuals that run this sh!t hole state.

?If men were angels, no government would be
necessary.? John Adams
 
Not only am I boycotting the expo starting now, I will gladly share this debacle with other sportsmen who don't know about this BS!
So consider more boycotts from others.

We need sportsmen with signs at the doors of this next Feb expo informing others.

Please share this info where ever you possibly can. Don't give them fools another dime!


Theodore Roosevelt's guidance concerning
conservation...
"The movement for the conservation of wildlife,
and the conservation of all our natural resources,
are essentially democratic in spirit,purpose and
method."

"We do not intend that our natural resources shall
be exploited by the few against the interests of the
majority. Our aim is to preserve our natural
resources for the public as a whole, for the
average man and the average woman who make
up the body of the American people."

"It is in our power...to preserve game..and to give
reasonable opportunities for the exercise of the
skill of the hunter,whether he is or is not a man of
means."
 
>It seems crazy when on one
>post you here people cry
>that RMEF would give more
>money back to Utah and
>then complain when SFW gave
>money to the DWR.
>Tells me money ain't the
>issue.

Ever consider pursuing politics as an alternate source of income? You would do well.
Justin
 
My goal is to get 200+ people that spend around $200 a year on the expo to boycott it! do the math there birdman and yes I'm having a great start to my goal.
hornkiller.jpg
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-20-15 AT 05:54PM (MST)[p]>My goal is to get 200+
>people that spend around $200
>a year on the expo
>to boycott it! do the
>math there birdman and yes
>I'm having a great start
>to my goal.

If a bunch of you guys would get together like that, sign a formal paper saying you won't attend or buy raffle tags and send it to SFW/MDF with copies to the DWR, the WB, and your Legislators that would get their attention. Then follow through and when the numbers don't add up for them to line their pockets any more you will get the message across. The only way to hurt them is in the pocketbook. It also appears that many people have no idea what is going on and a couple editorials or letters to the editors of the local newspapers out there to clue people in would also bite them where it hurts and increase your numbers.
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-20-15 AT 08:13PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Dec-20-15 AT 08:12?PM (MST)

Please send Utah DWR and let them know you will no longer apply in Utah because of the corrupt system and the fact SFW was favored in this process, I would encourage all other non-residents to feel the same way to do the same:


DWRcomment@utah. gov
 
>Ksl is pointless probably cause everything
>wildlife goes thru adam eakle
>and he is down with
>the sfw cons!
>
hornkiller.jpg



No need to bring adam eakle into this he seams to be a pretty stand up guy. On here and when I have met him in the field. I have seen numerous organizations on his show rmef uwc and others
 
Money talks.

For many of us, the allure of an elusive tag was just too great. Spend a few hundred and you get a tag you'd usually only dream of? Sign me up.

Some of you have gotten lucky, but most of us have not. Are you tired of the corrupt system taking your money and flushing it away?

Do you and your friends put in for tags? How many of you do you know?

If you and all your buddies that typically put in for these kind of tags put that money into a pool this year, you'll probably have enough to buy a decent tag. Figure out a way to draw a name and one of you gets to hunt for sure. If you want a better tag, pool your money for 2 or 3 years. A lot of these deer and elk tags can be had for a couple of grand. That's only 10 buddies putting their $200 into a pot that you know will pay you back. Somebody gets to hunt.

Enough is enough. If you're serious about Utah's wildlife future, please do not give your money to these crooks.

Vi Et Armis Invictus Maneo
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-22-15 AT 07:10PM (MST)[p]As we gather around this Christmas season we are so proud to be engaged in an organization that has the values that this great country we call America was founded upon. This RMEF commitment will never lead us away from our mission of habitat preservation and sound wildlife stewardship. We are proud of our accomplishments, and our excited to see what more can be done. If you share the values in the picture below we would ask you to join us as we move forward. Merry Christmas

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Hell how much koolaid have your drank? All your directions on your sighn are way off if your talking about sfw!
hornkiller.jpg
 
>Hell how much koolaid have your
>drank? All your directions on
>your sighn are way off
>if your talking about sfw!
>
>
hornkiller.jpg


May not drink kool-aid perhaps just a server?

Justin
 
As a lifetime member of RMEF and a non member of SFW and MDF, Im actually relieved that my org did not get the expo contract. Even though RMEF would probably have a higher attendee number, I question two things. First, on the auction tags would they be able to deliver the high rollers to bid on the top dollar tags and number two with RMEFs excellent effort in this endeavor, would other elk states be shortchanged compared to how things are now?
 
They won't get a single dollar of mine. The odds suck anyway. You'd probably do better in Vegas.
 
Will not be going to SLC this year. There are better places to spend my money. Ding, ding ding, going to Vegas baby.

from the "Heartland of Wyoming"
 
Hornkiller, it would be good to have you there to demonstrate at the expo. The state could use the boost to the economy. Not only that, the expo would get credit. Now one thing about hornkiller. I really don't know him but know his brother. Great guy. Spent time fishing together. Actually his brother is an up and coming taxidermist and does great work. An artist in the trade. He did my elk hanging in the entrance of my home.
 
You can politely contact sponsors and let them know why they shouldn't be sponsoring. Remembering that the majority aren't Utah companies, an as such may not be in tune.

Don't attend the expo, don't play the lottery. I don't. Somehow I have survived.

But lets be honest. This expo isn't for you. Its not for over the counter guys. Its not for Savage or Buck guys. One needs only look at the list of sponsors to figure out who the clientele is. The expo is about power and money. SFW has the power, therefore they collect the money. Not one of the bidders gives a rats azz about Utah wildlife. They care about the one deer, or elk, or sheep that they are trying to buy, but they would be fine with zero "regular joes" in the field. What they are buying is an end run around the rules we face(draw odds, waiting periods), and gaining no competition from the outside(shutting down entire islands for one guy).

I encourage you to not be props in this production. But we need to be honest. SFW would love to have an expo without us. They would love to have an online auction, where they keep your $3.50, and not have to pretend to like you, or have to glad hand you. This expo is solely about power and money, and if you have neither, your just an attendee number they can use to tout their success.



"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
Sorry birdman I've got around 50 guys to drop the expo and head to wy for the viva naughton ice fishing Derby that weekend! the money is better spent anyway it has nothing to do with sfw. The number of sportsmen is climbing daily that are boycotting the expo! Sure am glad I don't live in ut anymore your guys wildlife has steadilyd declined in the past 5 years.
hornkiller.jpg
 
I mean I've got 6 or 7 people that have gone the last two years that won't go now. It should all add up, hopefully their attendance drops significantly this year.
 
I know I'm not a big player but the $300 I normally spend is going to a ID otc deer tag. I would of UPEP the $ if RMEF was involved.
 
Good on you, at least for that $300 you can know it isn't greasing SFWs pockets. I spend around $200 at the expo a year, I also would have been willing to spend a lot more if RMEF got the bid and felt good about every penny of it. I've been wanting to go out of state the last couple years and hunt pretty bad. With that money and saving a little I won't be spending to support the Utah DWR, I should have enough to do so if I can get a hold of a tag.
 
Keep in mind, the more money sfw gets the more they spend to try and get a foothold in Idaho,Arizona,exc. and the more they try and chip away at the north American model of wildlife conservation.

I believe sfw is one of the greatest threats in the battle against wildlife privatization. I also believe RMEF recognized this and was willing to sacrifice monetary gain for the greater good.

Justin
 
me and my usual 7 other people who put in on the tags are out as well. we have another plan that will give us way better odds of hunting a premium unit
 
I stopped ponying up three years ago. Can't see how lining the pockets of those involved in putting on the expo had or will have anything to do with building Utah wildlife and Utah wildlife habitat.

I figured I'd just buy a OTC tag and go hunt somewhere with the money it was costing me to buy the big game package and all the other junk I would bring home.

Now Wyoming, Idaho and Montana have been getting my money in spades. It's amazing how free you feel when you decide where your $$$ get spent. In my case it ain't been in Utah unfortunately :(

Cheers,
Pete
 
I'm Out! I can no longer justify my expenses to attend the expo.
It's a sad situation, In my opinion!
Washington politics are enough to make a man ill, but Utah politics behind closed doors have just about beat the "good old boys"! Is that GOB or GOP?
 
I've only been to the expo one time when it first started. It didn't take me long to figure out that those running it didn't have my interests at heart. I've always said if you're going to the expo you're supporting a group that wants to do away with the average hunter. It will be interesting now to see who is willing to follow up on their commitment to boycott them this year.
Wes
 
>Lol if everyone boycotts but me
>the odds are very good
>that I will draw something
>.


Keep wishing even with people boycotting your odds are still crap.
 
I've attended the expo for the last 3 years. Each year I've spent approx. 125$ on the tags.
I've officially boycotted the expo and will put my money elsewhere. They aren't getting a dime!
I' posted on my Facebook about this BS and I continue to help inform others who do not know what's going on.
I hope many will boycott and hit em where it counts!





Theodore Roosevelt's guidance concerning
conservation...
"The movement for the conservation of wildlife,
and the conservation of all our natural resources,
are essentially democratic in spirit,purpose and
method."

"We do not intend that our natural resources shall
be exploited by the few against the interests of the
majority. Our aim is to preserve our natural
resources for the public as a whole, for the
average man and the average woman who make
up the body of the American people."

"It is in our power...to preserve game..and to give
reasonable opportunities for the exercise of the
skill of the hunter,whether he is or is not a man of
means."
 

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