I think the cheaters have figured it out, Put all 10 kids in for hunts that have no chance of drawing. Then you have two weeks to get whatever enhancement hunt you want, load the kid in the truck and go kill a cow. NMDGF needs to make some changes to these tags. There was virtually nothing left for us seniors this morning. I saw ONE MZ tag for 17 and I was on 10 minutes before the sale started. So NO TAGS went to seniors. If that's what they want just make them all for the kids.At some point NMDGF will probably have to go to a second draw for these enhancement tags, because the first come first served is only accessible to those with time to sit at the computer and fast internet speed...and a little luck.
Just curious. If you wanted a 53 cow tag couldn’t you have put in for that in the initial draw?Some BS going on this year, 53 was sold out by the time us seniors got a chance, that means 120 kids got all the tags...... impossible.....
I did didn't draw.Just curious. If you wanted a 53 cow tag couldn’t you have put in for that in the initial draw?
I'm the first person to promote youth tags, my kids got some very good ones back in the day. BUT the 'Encouragement' system is being abused. Either split it up Youth/ Senior or give them all to the kids. What we have now is not working so let's fix it. I NEVER blamed youths I blame their parents for gaming the system, RR how many "Youths' actually applied for these hunts ? NONE it was their parents. Social Media 'blabbermouths' have no effect because you can only apply if not drawn in the general draw. RR I think you have missed the whole point of this tread, it's not blaming the kids, I wish they all could get a tag. But here in northern NM its the parents doing the hunting not the kids. And the sad part is everyone knows this but does nothing about it.Sorry guys, I'm having a difficult time feeling sympathy that seniors couldn't get a tag.
1st, I read posts from sourpuss crybabies on other forums, Bowsite to be exact, where they cry about special youth opportunities and that a youth should be happy with just any tag. The worst is the president of Pope and Young. Youth encouragment provide just that, a nothing special tag.
2nd, at least seniors have a shot, as remote as it may be. Us "youngsters" are **** out of luck of we don't draw. Period.
3rd, a youth has just as much right to put in for premium tags as old guys. Maybe a point system ain't so bad aftertall...
If we want hunting to continue being a thing for us, we have got to quit blaming youth hunters when we don't draw a tag. I blame the likes of social media blabbermouths telling the world to put in for NM.
Could you explain this? Are you saying the parents are applying the youth for the encouragement then hunting themselves?I'm the first person to promote youth tags, my kids got some very good ones back in the day. BUT the 'Encouragement' system is being abused. Either split it up Youth/ Senior or give them all to the kids. What we have now is not working so let's fix it. I NEVER blamed youths I blame their parents for gaming the system, RR how many "Youths' actually applied for these hunts ? NONE it was their parents. Social Media 'blabbermouths' have no effect because you can only apply if not drawn in the general draw. RR I think you have missed the whole point of this tread, it's not blaming the kids, I wish they all could get a tag. But here in northern NM its the parents doing the hunting not the kids. And the sad part is everyone knows this but does nothing about it.
Yes that is exactly what happens in northern NM. They also "Bow Hunt" with a 300 win. mag.Could you explain this? Are you saying the parents are applying the youth for the encouragement then hunting themselves?
Also as a whole hunting is more popular. Many parents might have extra income or time due to covid/stimulus checks. Also companies like GoHunt promoting hunts/units.
I'm the first person to promote youth tags, my kids got some very good ones back in the day. BUT the 'Encouragement' system is being abused. Either split it up Youth/ Senior or give them all to the kids. What we have now is not working so let's fix it. I NEVER blamed youths I blame their parents for gaming the system, RR how many "Youths' actually applied for these hunts ? NONE it was their parents. Social Media 'blabbermouths' have no effect because you can only apply if not drawn in the general draw. RR I think you have missed the whole point of this tread, it's not blaming the kids, I wish they all could get a tag. But here in northern NM its the parents doing the hunting not the kids. And the sad part is everyone knows this but does nothing about it.
Yes that is exactly what happens in northern NM. They also "Bow Hunt" with a 300 win. mag.
Way to go taking youth hunting, I commend you great job.Have been taking a youth on the encouragement hunts ever since they began and parents "do the hunting" as much as any other tag a youth holds.
Let's not dicuss the guys hunting on their spouse's tags...
That’s pretty pitiful if happening on those tags. Did you take photos? Call the warden?Way to go taking youth hunting, I commend you great job.
Guys hunting with their wifes cow tag is what has happened to our once plentiful Elk herd in the north. I have personally witnessed one "Bro" shoot 5 cows and wound at least 4 more, then call the family to come tag them.
No photos did call the game warden, he arrived the next day. Eventually found out who it was, and he was related to a deputy sheriff..... Absolutely nothing happened. It's accepted behavior up north.That’s pretty pitiful if happening on those tags. Did you take photos? Call the warden?
LMAO I have zero 'Senior Opportunities' I haven't drawn a tag in 4 years, and that's just for a cow tag nothing special. I live on a limited income don't have 600.00 to go hunt the Rez. If I had 600.00 I would go buy a quarter beef. This was NEVER about the kids. Some people have limited comprehension skills.How many more opportunities do Seniors have that Youth do not?
another thread on this forum from a senior
"Early archery. I will be down there last week of Aug. My son is riding down with my dad before the 1st. They will leave at the end of the hunt then I'm headed to AZ for an elk hunt, then a few weeks in UT before my CO hunt early Nov."
Good for him! I have no problems with him, but how many kids (or even working adults) have that kind of options? The kids you are talking about took one hunt that wasn't even an option to seniors 2 years ago. Some Seniors and others with a lot of time on their hands (and money) are taking 3-5 elk tags across multiple states. Go complain about them if you'd like.
I think really you are just having a bad day Cosmic and I'm sorry about that, but not the kids fault.
LMAO I have zero 'Senior Opportunities' I haven't drawn a tag in 4 years, and that's just for a cow tag nothing special. I live on a limited income don't have 600.00 to go hunt the Rez. If I had 600.00 I would go buy a quarter beef. This was NEVER about the kids. Some people have limited comprehension skills.
There was well over 100 tags available at the start of the senior sale at 10a.m. , units 13 both date , unit 17 both dates , unit 16E Dec hunt and unit 53.I think the cheaters have figured it out, Put all 10 kids in for hunts that have no chance of drawing. Then you have two weeks to get whatever enhancement hunt you want, load the kid in the truck and go kill a cow. NMDGF needs to make some changes to these tags. There was virtually nothing left for us seniors this morning. I saw ONE MZ tag for 17 and I was on 10 minutes before the sale started. So NO TAGS went to seniors. If that's what they want just make them all for the kids.
Did you report him ? Either your part of the problem or part of the solution. From experience , I lost a friend/family member whos best friend was a poacher and I turned him in! I knew the risk of turning in a "bro" , he threatened me and I lost two friends because of it , and I have no regret . My buddies today know where I stand ...Way to go taking youth hunting, I commend you great job.
Guys hunting with their wifes cow tag is what has happened to our once plentiful Elk herd in the north. I have personally witnessed one "Bro" shoot 5 cows and wound at least 4 more, then call the family to come tag them.
No there wasn't I was on.... there was no 53 tags a 10:00 AM, you are full of it. And there was damn sure not 100 tags left. Who's side are you on RR ? If you have "Inside Info" share it. Or stop your BS.There was well over 100 tags available at the start of the senior sale at 10a.m. , units 13 both date , unit 17 both dates , unit 16E Dec hunt and unit 53.
Hey RR you ever lived "Up North" ? I've been here my whole life, and love it, they almost have me converted.
Well is goes both ways RR I thought you were a stand up guy, but now you are just a mouthpiece for the woke. You spout off what you think are facts but it's really just BS and deep down you know it.. If you actually had FACTS you would show us but in the end you just have flapping lips. Sad at one time I respected what you had to say. Keep flapping yer lips, and pat yourself on the back. Or provide us with FACTS.Yes. I used to have respect for you, not so much anymore. You now occupy the same space as hossblur, the devil and SS! by stooping to their level.
Apparently, you got triggered by not being able to get a tag on something that was never really intended for you to get...
You should read things more carefully. Rio is the one who reported the poacher, not RR.Well is goes both ways RR I thought you were a stand up guy, but now you are just a mouthpiece for the woke. You spout off what you think are facts but it's really just BS and deep down you know it.. If you actually had FACTS you would show us but in the end you just have flapping lips. Sad at one time I respected what you had to say. Keep flapping yer lips, and pat yourself on the back. Or provide us with FACTS.
But we all know you have no facts. Just BS..... O and did you seek counseling for losing 'Friends' over turning in a pocher ?
Well is goes both ways RR I thought you were a stand up guy, but now you are just a mouthpiece for the woke. You spout off what you think are facts but it's really just BS and deep down you know it.. If you actually had FACTS you would show us but in the end you just have flapping lips. Sad at one time I respected what you had to say. Keep flapping yer lips, and pat yourself on the back. Or provide us with FACTS.
But we all know you have no facts. Just BS..... O and did you seek counseling for losing 'Friends' over turning in a pocher ?
Im sorry you were not able to get a license . I am not full of it as you say , I try and share what can be shared but also have a hard time standing by when someone speaks non truths . You see Cosmic , I WORK FOR THE NMDGF , Licensing , tags etc are right in my wheel house , and I know exactly what the sale started with , EXACTLY! Your internet was TOO SLOW , and thats a you problem , not a "fix it " issue within the NMDGF . This program was designed for the youth hunters and 3 years ago the program was adjusted to allow senior hunters in and remove NR youth. As stated above , the seniors were added because in YEARS PAST, many elk encouragement hunts were remaining so the department made the decision to remove NR and add seniors. This year , the stimulus checks were received in NM approx 3 weeks before the draw deadline , thus creating more opportunity for the public hunters to enter more applications , to the tune of 63,000 addition from a record 221K in year 2020.We knew the elk encouragement would sell out , what are we to do , continue selling unlimited amounts of licenses as to not upset either the youth parents or senior hunters? That is why X amount of licenses are set aside. I wished there was a different way , maybe 50/50 split of encouragement hunts , but even then many wont get and still upset people say the dept need to "fix it"...Yeah Cosmic , I enjoy talking with ya'll , but wont share non truths , so Im afraid your mistaken , as I am full of coffee this morning but the BS lies with all the happy when things go their way and hate for the dept and when don't sportsman of this state !No there wasn't I was on.... there was no 53 tags a 10:00 AM, you are full of it. And there was damn sure not 100 tags left. Who's side are you on RR ? If you have "Inside Info" share it. Or stop your BS.
Already answered the question about turning in the "Bro" I did and he was related to a county deputy sheriff..... They the NMDGF did NADA. So that's how the cards fall in the north.
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