BurntRidge
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Are they doing the online draw again or only in person applicants?
Good to hear, makes the odds go way up when everybody and their grandma from every state can’t put in cause they don’t go to the expo.In person (validation).
Good to hear, makes the odds go way up when everybody and their grandma from every state can’t put in cause they don’t go to the expo.
Haha did I say that? I didn’t think soYa. Youre almost guaranteed a tag now?????
I remember last year seeing the posts about how it would never go back to in person once they saw the dollars….that aged well.
If your last name is Farrar, you have pretty good odds.Ya. Youre almost guaranteed a tag now?????
Do you really think that the SFW has much to do with it any more?Contracts are a *****. So are lawyers. $fw needs better ones.
I'm sure it was just out of the goodness of their hearts?
Do you really think that the SFW has much to do with it any more?
Yes everyone that said it would be back to normal this year paid attention to all that legal mumbo jumbo and didn't spout off about stuff just to try and make SFW look bad. Who cares if they did it from the goodness of there hearts.Contracts are a *****. So are lawyers. $fw needs better ones.
I'm sure it was just out of the goodness of their hearts?
Yes everyone that said it would be back to normal this year paid attention to all that legal mumbo jumbo and didn't spout off about stuff just to try and make SFW look bad. Who cares if they did it from the goodness of there hearts.
Ya. Because pocketing the $3.75 per app they get paid to run the expo, then not having the expo didn't make them look bad at all?????????
Or did I miss that poster sized check refunding that money?
$.f.w. has everything to do with it!Do you really think that the SFW has much to do with it any more?
Ya. Because pocketing the $3.75 per app they get paid to run the expo, then not having the expo didn't make them look bad at all?????????
Or did I miss that poster sized check refunding that money?
????? Where did I say that didn't make them look bad? How does that have any bearing into what we are discussing???
Since you feel like bringing it into the discussion, yes I agree they should give it all back or better yet the state should have awarded the contract to RMEF.
Since the state did not do that SFW has the contract, the contract states they have to do in person validation, last year was a one off occurrence due to an unprecedented global wide plague shutting the country down.
Many people ( I am sure you are one of them, I'm not going to go back and check ) voiced there opinions last year saying it would never go back to in person validation as Muley suggested. They we're wrong.
Again, I will ask was there even an effort to make the online validation permeant??? I never seen anything even discussed other then online haters spewing it all last year.
Who isn't for maximizing there profits??? Do you do contract work for free? Or do you find the best way to make money off of what you do?Yeah. I was one that pointed out that after that $3.75 screw job $fw put on last year, they wouldn't ever want to go back.
The DWR wouldn't release any back door correspondence, so there would be no way to see if they did or did not.
Can I prove it? No.
Does ANYONE believe they aren't for maximizing their profits. Based solely on decades of history?
Who isn't for maximizing there profits??? Do you do contract work for free? Or do you find the best way to make money off of what you do?
It's what they do with those profits that matter to me. You show me where they are abusing the money coming in and i will condem that too. So far I've not seen anything that shows them doing anything shady with the money. There are plenty of haters out there that have dug deep. I'm sure it would have surfaced something by now.
You are blantly willing to spout off stuff you know you have no way of proving just to try and drag them down. And then won't admit when you are wrong. You just spin out with a different accusation.
I didn't agree with how they got the contract but they got it, cant blame SFW that was a state of utah blunder in my eyes. I have never seen anything factual showing they are abusing the money the org brings in.
Pretty sure the money from the applications is for “administering the draw,” not putting on the expo.Seriously Jake.
I read your stuff. We don't always agree. But can you do simple math.?
$3.75 per app, TO DO NOTHING.
But you've not seen any evidence of them being shady?
How many apps did they take in?
What did they pocket?
Seriously. I know your a fan boy, and that's ok. I'm not, also ok.
But WHAT MORE CAN I SHOW YOU?
What does it take for you to say, "UMmmmm that seems WRONG"?
Do you go pay a dealer for a truck, not get the truck, then say "why is that SHADY?"
Come on man!!
Pretty sure the money from the applications is for “administering the draw,” not putting on the expo.
I am editing to add that I wasn’t entirely correct. From the Division’s website: “Hunters are charged a $5.00 per-permit application fee when they apply in the expo permit drawing. The DWR must approve in advance how 30 percent of these funds are spent. Expo organizers must spend the remaining 70 percent on policies, programs, projects and personnel that support conservation initiatives in Utah. All of the application fee revenue benefits w
ildlife conservation in Utah.”
Now I’m not condoning SFW by any means, just saying that money wasn’t explicitly for “putting on the expo.”
Pretty sure the money from the applications is for “administering the draw,” not putting on the expo.
Umm… I mean, I disagree… the quote from the DNR website doesn’t say how that 70% gets spent, but it also doesn’t say, nor imply, that it’s for putting on the expo... I was just pointing this out because what you were saying was like they charged everyone an entry fee to the expo and then didn’t have the event. They did, however, raffle off the 200 tags, hence the $5 application fees.. which leads me to my next point.You kinda answered it yourself with your edit
I am by no means a "fan boy" I could take am or leave em. I asked to show me something shady they spend there money on. I've seen lots of projects, programs, and good things the money is spent on. Not once have I seen someone show where the money is not going to an outdoor cause of some kind we might not always agree with those causes but its far from "shady". You make it sound as if the people running the org are pocketing the money and making bank, if that was happening it would have came out by now.Seriously Jake.
I read your stuff. We don't always agree. But can you do simple math.?
$3.75 per app, TO DO NOTHING.
But you've not seen any evidence of them being shady?
How many apps did they take in?
What did they pocket?
Seriously. I know your a fan boy, and that's ok. I'm not, also ok.
But WHAT MORE CAN I SHOW YOU?
What does it take for you to say, "UMmmmm that seems WRONG"?
Do you go pay a dealer for a truck, not get the truck, then say "why is that SHADY?"
Come on man!!
One more thing Hossblur cries about year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year.
It costs him nothing. He looses nothing. It doesn't effect him in the least little bit. If SFW was gone tomorrow he would find some other entity to cry and cry and cry about.
He's a soulless child who absolutely hates other peoples successes.
He wants to speculate on what the expo and sfw will or won't do. I speculate that in January 2023 Hossblur will be right here on these threads pushing his same childish hate like he does every year at this time.
Mid January SFW will shove a hand up Hossblur's butt and start moving his whining lips like the puppet he lets himself be.
You don't pay squat boy and I post more hunting pics and threads on here than you do.
When was the last time you started a thread on these forums about you going hunting???? Honest question. I want an answer.
Post a link to the last time you actually posted something about you hunting. Do it.
Come on Hossblur. What are you afraid of?
So where did the other 9 million go? There has been lots and lots of investigating on this subject over the years surely somebody figured something out? Somebody has to have more then a baseless accusation to account for 90% of all the money you claim they brought in.Go look at $fw site.
2020
$8.6 million raised at expo
$4.6 million of that game via the auctions
$4 million raised via apps?
$fw pledged $882,000 to wildlife for 2020.
Money from EXPO, and other fundraisers.
60,000 people attended.
Now. Does $fw show how many individual apps they took in? No. I'll bet Slam, and MDF can tell me.
So, let's do real simple, basic math.
$4million from apps
State takes 3O%= $1.2 million
$fw keeps $2.8 million
They pledge out nearly $900,000
2.8 million- 900k= $1.9 million
You do the math. But I'm looking at $fw haul from expo being at least $1.8 million, especially considering the $882k they pledged, included ALL their fundraising, not just expo.
So, Jake. $1.9 million.
Is it in a Swiss bank? I doubt it. $fw is shady, not stupid.
That's using $fw numbers, from $fw own site.
$8.6 million just from expo. Safe to bet that after all there other tags, banquets, fundraisers, another $1million?
So in 2020, $fw touched roughly $10million dollars for "conservation", yet pledged $882,000.
Is it all legal? I'm sure it is. Let's not forget, THE DON, originated the whole scheme, $fw set it up, and I'll imagine got a say in the rules.
Shady? Yup. Illegal? Probably not.
So where did the other 9 million go? There has been lots and lots of investigating on this subject over the years surely somebody figured something out? Somebody has to have more then a baseless accusation to account for 90% of all the money you claim they brought in.
At this point I would like some proof to the claims of miss deeds hell it's been 10-15 years at this point somebody has to have something.
Quit dodging.
I didn't ask you to make up a hunting story for me now. I asked you to show me when was the last time you actually contributed a hunting thread to these forums.
Post a link. Lets see it. Quit ducking and dodging.
You are still dodging. Still ducking.
You aren't a hunter. You are a hateful child. You don't have anything to offer but hate.
Correct. He's never posted a hunting picture here. Quick to cry about everything though.So you never have posted a hunting thread Hossblur??????????
Just cry and cry and cry.
Sad to see hunters fighting hunters.
HELL THE ANTI HUNTERS WHERE BAD ENOUGH!!
Says the boy who has never once started an actual thread about hunting.
Notrace,
That's my point. Hossblur is an antihunter. He's a troll who's only purpose is turning hunters against each other. Go look and see if he has ever once posted a story about himself hunting. He hasn't.?