I shoot a winchester model 70 lightweight 30-06 and have in last couple years decided to try a higher end factory load, I chose 165 SST Hornady's, recently I tested them again'st 150 light magnums in Hornady, but couldn't match the grouping I had with the 165. I LOVE THEM! 1.9 inches high at 100 kills milk jugs at 200 and 300 yds. I know their going to hit a 180 B&C buck with my November late tag. They range anywhere from $26 to $17 at different stores. $17 at Hooked on Toys in Wenatchee Wa.