Freedom is coming back to Baghdad

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LAST EDITED ON Jun-23-08 AT 03:54PM (MST)[p]So Snoop Dog, Chivas Regal and Shakira may not be the best examples of culture that these people get to experience, but it proves that oppression and tyranny are leaving. Though far from being out of the dark - things like these give people hope - a people with hope and a taste of freedom is a powerful thing!

The Booze Is Back in Baghdad
Slowly, in certain urban pockets, a more liberal, secular culture is returning to Iraq's streets.

Larry Kaplow
NEWSWEEK
Updated: 1:55 PM ET Jun 21, 2008
Elias Khalaf's cracked grin may have saved his life. The portly, balding liquor-store owner was kidnapped five months ago by fundamentalists who held him prisoner in a brick factory for five days until he convinced them he couldn't raise the ransom they demanded. "If I had any money," he asked his jailers, "don't you think I'd fix my teeth?" As soon as he was released, he shut down his shop in Baghdad?the last of nine liquor stores he'd once owned throughout Iraq, from Mosul in the north to the southern Shiite religious heartland.

Khalaf is now thinking of starting up again. He stands and watches the steady stream of customers into and out of Jaguar, a liquor shop owned by a friend of his near the Green Zone. The floor-to-ceiling shelves are kept stocked with Johnnie Walker, Chivas Regal and a mysterious clear liquid in bottles plastered with the Hertz logo. Until a few months ago, buyers often had the storekeeper disguise their purchases, pouring their whisky into soft-drink bottles before venturing back to the street. Now the trade is brisk and wide open. It's fueling Khalaf's dreams of getting back in the business, maybe even opening a casino?one of those dimly lit rooms where Iraqi men sip drinks while playing cards or backgammon.

Iraqis aren't merely boozing it up. Men are shaving their beards; women are wearing jeans and taking off their headscarves; couples are holding hands in public. Musicians and DJs feel safe to take more gigs at weddings and parties. In the grassy riverside parks alongside Baghdad's Abi Nawas Street, young couples sit close on the new sod. Amin Hussein, 21, flips and spins, showing off some moves from the Brazilian martial arts he was forbidden from teaching in his neighborhood until a few months ago. ("This is an Islamic country," militia enforcers warned him.) Hussein, a fan of rapper Snoop Dogg, says he's hopeful about the future: "Now the liberals are stronger." Other entertainers have their own devotees?"Shakira good!" declares 19-year-old Mohammed Mizo, who says he gets heckled less for his spiky hair.

So far, most of the inhibition shedding is confined to a few urban areas?Iraq hasn't suddenly morphed into Dubai. But to Iraqis old enough to remember, the changed atmosphere brings to mind a way of life that seemed gone forever after five years of war. Baghdad has been a place of wine and song as far back as the "Thousand and One Nights." In the early 1900s the city was celebrated for its eclectic culture and was home to a vibrant mix of Jews, Christians and Muslims. Even under Saddam Hussein's dictatorship, state channels regularly ran Hollywood movies with Arabic subtitles. Hotels throbbed with pop bands and DJs, and Sinatra songs floated above the Tigris from parties on the water's edge. In his last years the beleaguered Saddam tried to co-opt the Islamists, adding the words "God Is Great" to the Iraqi flag in a nod to their rising strength throughout the Middle East. But even then the oppressed Shiites were prohibited from holding religious processions, and Sunni extremists were held in check by the secret police.

Saddam's removal unleashed a storm of violent religious intolerance, but government offensives have, for now, slowed the militias. Alaa Gati, 28, resumed work as a barber four months ago. He closed his Baghdad shop in late 2006 after a stranger phoned and warned: "Our swords are sharper than your razors." Several of his colleagues had already been killed. But once again he has a steady procession of customers who want their chins shaved smooth, no matter what the fundamentalists say. Umm Hiba, a hairdresser in the upscale Mansour district, closed her salon in March 2006 after a group of gunmen stopped by and threatened to demolish the place. This January she finally felt safe enough to reopen, and since then she says business keeps getting better. Women want to look beautiful again, she says.

Iraqi politicians are cautiously adjusting to the shifting mood. In Basra, still dominated by Shiite religious parties, provincial leaders have abandoned an effort to ban alcohol. Booze salesmen in Baghdad say bureaucrats have made it easier to renew liquor licenses, and new bars have been allowed to open. Iraqis blame the government for rampant corruption and the lack of electricity and water?and that means they blame the religious parties that are in charge. "This has led the Iraqi people to lose their trust in these parties," says Khalaf al-Ulayyan, a secular-leaning Sunni parliamentarian. "And to lose their trust in religion as well."

The mullahs know it. Nadeem al-Jaberi, a founder of the religious Fadhila (Virtue) Party, says he's conducted a study that shows mosque attendance is down even as drinking is up. (He jokes that he's too embarrassed to publish the results.) A Shiite preacher in northern Baghdad, declining to be named because he serves an area still watched by Moqtada al-Sadr's Mahdi Army hard-liners, says: "The young men who used to come to the mosque are rarely showing their faces, and if they pass by the mosque they just say, 'Salam alaikum'." Some of the bearded men feel lucky the secular slippage hasn't been worse. "With all these changes, the liberal forces in Iraq have not taken advantage," says al-Jaberi. "If they could do that, they definitely could change the path things are taking."

But the years of sectarian killing have driven many open-minded Iraqis out of the country, especially the educated middle class and the Christians who once dominated the liquor trade. And those who have stayed are reluctant to push their luck. School administrators have torn down the pro-Sadr banners at Mustansiriya University, and teachers there say they're no longer afraid to give Sadrist students bad grades when they're deserved. Even so, topics like religion and politics are still too dangerous for class, says one professor who asked to remain unnamed for his own safety: "There is an overwhelming majority of liberals now in the university, but they are silent. They are armed with ideas, but the opponents are armed with different weapons."

Iraqis are preparing?"bracing" might be a better word?for provincial elections. Although no date has been set, the voting might come before the end of the year. But the country's secular politicians remain too disunited to take advantage of the public's widespread discontent. "The pendulum is swinging away from the Islamists. The question is, what is the alternative?" says Iraqi political analyst Ghassan Atiyyah. "Unfortunately the so-called secular forces are in a mess." The Kurdish parties get little support from other Iraqis, who suspect they want to divide Iraq. The trans-sectarian party of former prime minister Ayad Allawi has foundered amid internal disputes. And while the clean-shaven Ahmed Chalabi is trying yet again to form a new coalition, his past efforts have never gained much traction. Meanwhile the religious parties are working to protect their hold on power by barring absentee ballots from Iraqis who have fled the country. But the liberals aren't giving up. Mithal Alusi, head of the Iraq Nation Party, has built a reputation as the country's fiercest secular advocate. "People buying alcohol want to be free. It's not that they want to drink," he says. In fact, it's surely a little of both. Just ask Elias Khalaf.

URL: http://www.newsweek.com/id/142639
UTROY
Proverbs 21:19 (why I hunt!)
 
When we pull out all but a token amount of troops and shut the cash flow to Iraq then you can claim victory, until then nobody knows where we stand all we know is there is less violence than there was. is it a short lived forced slow time or is it a lasting start of peace? nobody knows but it's a little premature to chalk this up as another " mission accomplished "


Now Afghanistan is going to hell, the Taliban is gaining strength and the UN says if they don't get another 6,000 troop right away it could cause that war to go on for a prolonged amount of time, and we're sitting on our thumbs bogged down in Iraq. so before you brag about a possible improvement in Iraq where we had no reason to go shouldn't you first deal with Afghanisan, Pakistan and Bin Laden where we DID need to go? and if Iraq was the front line war to end all wars on terrorism like you promised and we've won like you say then why are Afghanistan and Pakistan now filled with Taliban and al Qaeda causing even more trouble? so all the terrorist didn't come to Iraq to be killed? WTF?
 
Boy Dude - that was a ramble and a half! I am not sure you even understood what you were saying there at the end.

No one said that peace had been established - but people are beginning to come out of the darkness of oppression! Most of this is only happening in and around the green zone but it IS HAPPENING!

The Taliban and their instance on Shari'ah law has existed in Afghanistan for centuries longer than Saddam's oppression ever did. When we took out Saddam, the mullahs in Iraq who support Shari'ah law tried to take over. Well it affected some, but for the most part, Iraqi people are more open minded than the Afghans! Look at the pre-war economies and cultures of the two! Iraq was much more capitalist and liberal, even when Saddam was in power. Afghanistan is steeped so deply in Islamic Shari'ah tradition that the Taliban will have a stronger hold for a longer time! But don't put on the gloom and doom man! Things are getting BETTER not worse! Afghanistan will come back in to control quickly but it will take a generation to change its ideology, wheras in Iraq, the ideology is already changing! The people are ready for it!



UTROY
Proverbs 21:19 (why I hunt!)
 
I guess part of the problem is I don't give a crap about the Iraqi people. I didn't want to bomb them, and by the same token I don't care if they have big grins on their face or not it's not my problem.

Terrorism is thriving in other parts of the middle east so no big gain there from the Iraq debacle ( big surprise) , and I could make a long list of people more in need of our help than the Iraqis were so forgive me if I don't do cart wheels with the news Iraqis are feeling better. the bottom line is Iraq wasn't and isn't that important, all that's important is getting our guys out of there and the money shut off.
 
"the bottom line is Iraq wasn't and isn't that important, all that's important is getting our guys out of there and the money shut off."

My God you truly are a miserable humanbeing dude. Your statement above is NOT the bottom line. Get a grip, back away from the Obama, Reid, Pelosi, and Murtha cool aide bro. The Bush doctrine like it or not is working. History will show that Bush was right. Killing terrorist by the gozillions and getting a foot hold in the part of the world that is our biggest threat sorely outwieghs your myopic view of this planet.

I know run and hide is your mantra. But things are differe4nt now. Think globaly. Isolationism is not the answer.




"Thanks climate PhD 202" - TFinalshot Feb-05-08, 02:16 PM (MST)
 
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Dude I know you care more about our boys than the Iraqis but I believe freedom is a blessing from God. And most importantly, I believe that someone else's freedom is just as important as my own. Ultimately, this is about good and evil. Evil oppresses and good liberates - darkness oppresses and light liberates, greed oppresses and generosity liberates, Satan oppresses and Christ liberates, however you want to look at - WE - the United States, as flawed as we may be are not evil. We are the good guys! And because of our efforts, good things are happening all over the world. Very few people will ever argue that U.S. intervention does not ultimately result in stronger local economy, political stability and general prosperity. Just ask Germany and Japan! That is why the countries of the world clamor for our assistance after floods, hurricanes, typhoons and earthquakes. That is they all want to immigrate here and demand our involvement in world affairs. There are those who consider our government corrupt and our economic system oppressive and morally wrong, but they still clamor for our freedoms. I'm sorry but I can't sit back and justify my freedom while there are so many who don't have it if I don't try to assist them in some way to achieve it also. That's what our presence in Iraq is about. That is why we are in Afghanistan. Our boys' sacrifices will not go unnoticed. They are the greatest generation and I thank God they value others' freedoms as much or more than their own.

UTROY
Proverbs 21:19 (why I hunt!)
 
good points Roy

I don't understand why you guys try to reason with someone who is unreasonable. I gave up long ago.
 
some of you republicans have absolutely no spine, bending with the wind, making up excuses as you go along, I remmember ten- twelve years ago the republicans criticizing Clinton for being to proactive in world affairs, offering resolutions to get out of Bosnia, saying we can't be the worlds policemen, George Bush in his Debate with Gore saying he doesn't believe in nation building, now we get to read long tear jerking paragraphs lifted from some talk show on nation building, it would be funny except for the tragedy of it all
 
Miserable, unreasonable? what makes you think just because I don't agree with you I'm either? in your mind we don't even need a government or elections just a dictator you approve of.

Different opinions and a choice of which direction to go is what this country is about yet some of you are so self righteous ( not you Roy ) that you criticize someone for a desending opinion by calling them unreasonable or miserable. if you're going to play that game it would be advisable to at least be in the majority of your countrymen wouldn't you say? you clearly are not so guess what's coming?

Roy I respect your religious veiw on the matter but it doesn't mean anything to me or effect my opinion. my point is the Iraqis didn't have it nearly as bad as the people in Darfur for example, and did we roll in and fix everything for them? I could list examples of where for less American blood and much less money we could have helped many more people in much greater need, I don't need to because you're smart enough you know I'm right. we're calling Iraq a humanitarian war now because we don't have any other justification for being there after everything else fell apart.

Again I say Iraq wasn't and isn't important to me or this nation, Afghanistan and Bin Laden are and we dropped the ball. no matter the outcome of Iraq terrorism is alive and well today, that's a fact and it proves Iraq did little in the big picture.
 
and lets not forget how slick willy was handed Bin Laden's head on a silver platter and turned it down. Monica probably mumbled for him not to worry about it and to sit back and enjoy his JOB. HDude and Piper should thank God every day that they were pooped out here in this country, because if they were born in Darfur or Afghanistan or some other 3rd world country, they would be screaming for the US to liberate them!
 
So in the 9 months prior to 9/11 that Bush had to take Bin Laden out he never had a chance? you're sure of that?

You might want to pick someplace other than Darfur or Afghanistan to showcase our good work. You can't blame anyone for wanting to be liberated or fed when they're starving, the point that went over your head is how and why we set our priorities on who's deserving of our help.
 
HDude wrote: "So in the 9 months prior to 9/11 that Bush had to take Bin Laden out he never had a chance? you're sure of that?"

That is speculation, but the point that flew right through the void between your ears is that you are the one who brought up Bin Laden and one of your heroes could have possibly thwarted the 911 attacks had he not been preoccupied with something under his desk.

Nice try though blaming Bush. I wonder what you libs are gonna do when he's out. Who are you gonna blame then? I believe 202 is right that history will show that Bush was right to go to Iraq, because once they are completely democratic the other countries neighboring may follow suit. I dream of the day when the middle east is one big peaceful democracy and these countries are praising GWB for getting it started, what will you moron libs say then.
 
I was going to argue with you but when you said you dreamed of the day the middle east would be one big peaceful democracy that took the fun out of it.


Dream on, that's a good dream but don't come down on those who aren't dumb enough to dream it with you. there is reality, hope and fantasy, you're in fantasy land and I can't cure stupid so see ya.
 
I have to ask what part of purging Christians from Iraq makes you think Iraq is and will become free and a freind to the US ? freedom and genocide are not compatable. Christians say for those of them in Iraq who haven't fled or been killed life is the worst it's been in 2000 years. even Saddam was tolerant of them and had a Christian in a top position of his regime.

Like it or not we are a Christian nation, Christians in Iraq still have to hold secret gatherings or risk a bullet to the back of the head today, I'm not seeing that as a free America friendly nation in the making myself. spin it for me so I'll understand.
 
At least we're still going around in circles on this topic. I still like the thought that Clinton had Osama's head on a platter. That is friggin funny. w must have got a memo that obl wasn't dangerous any more. The republicans are the biggest finger-pointers on the planet. Nothing is their fault except when something good happens. Too bad nothing good ever happens.

I wish I could give a ratz azz how things are in Baghdad. When is freedom coming back to Washington D.C.? That is one of the more dangerous places anyone can be and we are worried about Baghdad??? That is the problem with this administration. They don't know what priorities are. Did w ever find the exit strategy plans that Clinton lost or is he even looking? Funny stuff.
 
So it's funny stuff. Yea! I guess you are right and listening to the "three stooges" is very funny stuff. Thanks for the laught, but come up with some new antics, your's are growing a little old.

RELH
 
Come on RELH. That's your response for this whole post? Do you really think this administration has it's priorities in order? You should come visit America sometime.
 

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