>>>Wow, these guys sound like liberals. >>>people love hunting so much
>>>and they have the resources
>>>that allow them to hunt
>>>more and the finest units
>>>and the finest animals???
>>>Who give a crap.
>>>Let them do what they
>>>love. Good grief.
>>>I also like how a guy
>>>that has never been to
>>>Africa somehow knows how all
>>>of Africa is. Same
>>>guy that probably still lives
>>>in parents basement. I've
>>>been to places in Africa
>>>so remote that when I
>>> You can have an
>>>opinion as long as it
>>>agrees with mine. Or
>>>you aren't a true hunter
>>>if you don't hunt like
>>>I do lol. Have
>>>people ever thought that maybe
>>>asked a tracker why the
>>>lady was pointing at us
>>>for her children I was
>>>told she was saying ?that's
>>>what white people look like?.
>>>
>>>My advice is worry about yourselves
>>>and the way you want
>>>to live and quit being
>>>angry that others are different.
>>> You will be much
>>>happier of a person.
>>
>>Could it be that you are
>>the one who's missing the
>>full picture? There is more
>>to the "anger" than what
>>you see on this or
>>any other forum and if
>>hunting the "finest units" and
>>"finest animals" were all there
>>was to it, then those
>>issues wouldn't be such a
>>problem for most of us
>>"liberals" who "probably still live
>>in parents' basements".
>>
>>But, those hunts, photos, and hunters
>>NEVER stay in the field
>>nor in coffee shops nor
>>on local media nor on
>>social media. They continue to
>>come up and are promoted
>>in policy making meetings in
>>the form of recommendations and
>>proposals which attempt to increase
>>that type of hunting and/or
>>those kinds of hunts at
>>the expense of the majority
>>of the less hard-core hunters.
>>And, in Utah at least,
>>many of those recommendations and
>>proposals are then passed in
>>RAC meetings, Wildlife Board meetings,
>>Deer/Elk/Cougar/Bear/Moose Management Planning Committee meetings,
>>on the Governor's desk, and
>>in meetings of the state
>>legislature.
>>
>>The fact is that most of
>>us are not trying to
>>change the way others hunt,
>>we're just trying to stop
>>them from changing the way
>>we hunt which is what
>>has been happening more and
>>more lately.
>>
>>Your advice goes both ways!
>>
>>
>
>Actually I agree with a lot
>of what you have to
>say. I was mainly
>aiming my comments at 1
>or 2 people. However,
>there are people on both
>sides (DIY and Guided) that
>are harmful to hunting.
>There are also people on
>both sides that fight like
>hell to advocate for hunters.
>
>One problem is the anti?s want
>us divided. For example,
>bear hunting. They
>may not be able to
>get bear hunting all together
>shut down. So what
>if they turn hound hunters
>and bear baiters against each
>other. Then they start
>fighting against each other until
>one side gets the other
>side shut down.
>Victory goes to the anti?s.
>
>I just think that the DIY
>and the guided fight is
>stupid. There are obvious
>scenarios that deserve criticism.
>I get that. However,
>if a guy goes on
>a guided deer hunt and
>is able to take a
>nice buck then why can't
>he be pumped as hell
>and want to share that
>moment? I
>think some get butt hurt
>and assume the guided hunter
>thinks they are superior in
>some way. Maybe some
>do but not all.
>Let's take me for example.
>I live in Idaho and
>so I get the luxury
>of being able to hunt
>no matter if I draw
>or not.
>I also have the luxury that
>I get to do some
>travel hunting as well.
>Does that mean I think
>I'm a better hunter?
>No, I freely admit that
>I am a shitty hunter.
> However, I LOVE HUNTING.
> I would say I'm
>good at glassing. I
>often am able to spot
>game before my ?guides? but
>I suck at other aspects.
> So what. There
>is nothing like being in
>position on a mountain an
>hour or two before light,
>heart pounding as the sun
>slowly starts to rise with
>the hope that my dreams
>just might come true and
>there may be that buck
>at the edge of the
>tree line. There?s nothing
>better.
>To continue to have these moments
>that hunters love, we are
>way better off uniting than
>dividing. It's not a
>pecker measuring contest. It's not
>a I'm better than you
>contest.
>There are great advocates and horrible
>examples.
>Anyway I'm rambling but I hope
>you get my point and
>like I said I agree
>with you in some ways.
>
Yes, I get your point about presenting a united front against the anti's and I also acknowledge there are good advocates and poor examples on both sides. I guess we'll see who wants to unite in the upcoming Utah RAC's and Wildlife Board meetings in November when they talk about the types of big game hunts and management they want.