Interesting Reading from Juval Aviv.....

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This is scary reading. But we need to read and start thinking what we need to
do should something like this happen. Let's pray that the predictions are wrong.

----- Juval Aviv was the Israeli Agent whom the movie 'Munich' was about... He was Golda Meir's bodyguard and she appointed him to track down and bring to justice the Palestinian terrorists who took the Israeli athletes hostage and killed them during the Munich Olympic Games.

In a lecture in NYC a few weeks ago, he shared information that EVERY American needs to know but our government has not shared. His bio is below, his book is 'Staying Safe'.

First, I am going to share what he discussed in regard to the Bush Administration, 9/11 and Iraq and then I will share his predictions for the next attack on the U.S.

He predicted the London subway bombing on the Bill O'Reilly show on Fox News stating publicly that it would happen within a week - O'Reilly laughed and mocked him saying that in a week he wanted him back on the show and unfortunately, within a week the terrorist attack occurred.

Juval Aviv gave intelligence (via what he had gathered in Israel and the Middle East) to the Bush Administration about 9/11 a month before it occurred. His report specifically said they would use planes as bombs and target high profile buildings and monuments. The Administration ridiculed him and refused to respond. Congress has since hired him as a security consultant - but still the Administration does not listen to him.

He didn't agree with going into Iraq - said it didn't make sense if we wanted terrorists responsible for 9/11 (and also he believes in Golda Meir's approach which was to bring justice to the terrorists but do not take down civilians - killing civilians only creates more terrorists - but similar to Bush, Israel's subsequent leaders were not as insightful as Golda Meir) - however, when we did decide to invade Iraq we should have learned from Israel's past mistakes.

He very articulately stated that Israel's greatest mistake against their war on terror was to invade the West Bank and Gaza and stay there... He said they should have done the proven anti-terrorist strategy which was 'Hit and Leave' instead of 'Hit and Stay.' Now we are stuck in Iraq and it is worse than Vietnam - Iraq is the U.S.'s West Bank/Gaza. He doesn't think we will ever be able to truly leave because even when we are able to pull our troops back we will still have to go back regularly which will keep us quagmired. We should have hit hard and left immediately.

Now for the scary stuff.... He predicts the next attack on the U.S. is coming within the next few months.

Forget hijacking airplanes because he says terrorists will NEVER try and hijack a plane again as the people on the plane will not go down quietly. Aviv believes our airport security is a joke- we are being reactionary versus looking at strategies that are effective.

1) our machines are outdated. They look for metal and the new explosives are made of plastic

2) He talked about how some idiot tried to light his shoe on fire - we now have to take off our shoes, a group of idiots tried to bring aboard liquid explosives - now we can't bring liquids on board. He is waiting for some suicidal maniac to pour liquid explosive on their underwear and light up in a plane or in the terminal and then we will all have to travel naked!

3) We only focus on security when people are heading to the gates, he says that if a terrorist attack targets airports in the future, they will target busy times and on the front end when people are checking in. It would be easy for someone to take two suitcases of explosives, walk up to a busy check-in line, ask a person next to them to watch their bags for a minute while they run to the restroom or get a drink and then detonate the bags BEFORE security even gets involved. Israel checks bags before people can enter the airport.

Now, back to his predictions: He says the next attack will come in a few months and will involve suicide bombers and non-suicide bombers in places that people congregate: Disneyland, Las Vegas, Big Cities (NY, SFO, Chicago, etc...) and there it will be shopping malls, subways in rush hour, train stations, casinos, etc.. as well as rural America (Wyoming, Montana, etc...). The attack will be simultaneous detonations around the country (they like big impact) 5-8 cities including rural areas. They won't need to use suicide bombers because at largely populated places like the MGM Grand in Vegas - they can simply valet park!

He says this is well known in intelligence circles but our government does not want to alarm Americans. However, he also said that the US will attack Iran and Syria before Bush leaves office.

In addition, since we don't have enough troops, the US will likely use small, strategic nuclear weapons regardless that the headlines the next day will read 'US Nukes Islamic World' and the world will be a different place to such an extent that global warming will be irrelevant. He travels regularly to the Middle East and he knows his stuff.

On a good note - he says we don't have to worry about being nuked - he says the terrorists who want to destroy America will not use sophisticated weapons - they like suicide as the frontline approach..

He also says the next level of terrorists will not be coming from abroad, but will be homegrown - having attended our schools and universities - but will have traveled frequently back and forth to the Middle East. They will know and understand Americans but we won't understand them - we still only have a handful of Arabic and Farsi speaking people in our intelligence networks and we need that to change he said....

What can we do? From an intelligence perspective, he says the U.S. needs to stop relying on satellites and technology for intelligence but follow Israel, Ireland and England's example of human intelligence both from an infiltration perspective as well as trust citizens to help. We need to engage and educate ourselves as citizens but our government treats us like babies and thinks we can't handle it and will panic.

He did a test for Congress recently putting an empty briefcase in 5 major spots in 5 US cities and not one person called 911 or sought a policeman to check it out. In fact, in Chicago - someone tried to steal it! In Israel an unattended bag or package would be reported in seconds with a citizen shouting 'Unattended Bag' and the area cleared slowly, calmly and immediately by the people themselves. Unfortunately, we haven't hurt enough yet for us to be that concerned....

He also discussed how many children were in preschool and kindergarten after 9/11 without parents to pick them up and the schools did not have a plan. Do you have a plan with your kids, schools and families if you cannot reach each other by phone? If you cannot return to your house? If you cannot get to your child's school - do they know what to do? We should all have a plan.

He said that our government's plan after the next attack is to immediately cut-off EVERYONE's ability to use their telephone, cell phone, blackberry because they don't want terrorists to be able to talk to one another - do you have a plan if you cannot communicate directly with those that you love.

Last week the Today Show began with a segment that Al Qaeda was resurfacing - the same kind of action on the Pakistani border occurred before 9/11... It is scary, but we do not have panic, we just need to be aware....





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The guy was right on about everything up to this point, I like him or who ever wrote it anyway.

He's wrong on attacking Iran and Syria though uless something huge and unforseen should occur, we're to broke and too short on manpower and equipment to start anymore elective wars. maybe his skill at predicting future events has gone south, I hope.
 
I am famililar with this guys creditials, they speak for themself and he is far more right then wrong. Israel has always been far ahead of any other country concerning reliable intelligence in the middle east.
I believe that he is right about attacking Iran and syria if we are attacked again. If we become the victim of 4-5 bombings that kill hundreds of americans, including children, the people in this country will cry out and DEMAND revenge on a massive scale. Dude can dream on, but it will happen with the blessing of our citizens. Dude is right about the military manpower to pose a invasion. That leaves just one recourse left for massive retalation, we will nuke selected targets in both countries and Israel will be helping us to decide which targets get nuked.
Iran and Syria will have to elect a new president and other members of their goverment as they will be incinerated in the blast. Old Bess may get his wish of a fly over and turning sand into glass.
RELH
 
RELH you just pegged the crap meter.

We're not nuking anyone unless they nuke us first, what are you smoking? you think we're going to nuke Iran and Syria because some more Saudis or some Taliban from Afghanistan carry out a terrorist attack? yeah China and Russia will stand by for that, you do know they not only have a military but nukes right? we're not starting WWIII over a few hundred Americans killed by a terror cell we've already failed to destroy.


Talk tough it if gets your blood pressure to move but what do you want to bet Bush leaves office with NO military action taken against Iran or Syria? I'll bet a bottle of Crown against a fix of what ever it is you're on. ( I'd just sent the cash I'm not buying it )
 
Gee! Dude, you have been ranting on this forum about Bush being a war monger for going into Iraq after 9/11. Now you take the reverse course and go the other way if we are attacked again by terrs who are supported and supplied by Iran and Syria and receive training from those two goverments.
Yes I know that Russia and China has nukes and missles. they also know that we have more and better means of doing them more harm then they can do against us. One of the reasons they have not attacked us before.
Have you been sleeping during your history lessons. It has showed that the american people do not like sneak attacks on our civilian population and they have shown to be very aggressive about wanting revenge when attacked. You might be surprised that there is already plans made that include nuke strikes on those two counties in the event of attacks on civilians here that they were involved in supporting.
You must be frearful your welfare gravy train will be taken away to support a LIMITED strike on Iran and Syria. Maybe you need to talk to your military hero, Gen. Clark to find out what he thinks will happen if Iran supported terrs happen to bomb civilians in 5-6 cities.
Now I do have to concede that you may be right if Rockbama is president and we are attacked. He would be more like Jimmy Carter and try to talk and reason with the attackers, but if Bush is still in, he will go all out to distroy the persons or countries responsible if the American people are yelling for their heads, and they will be doing just that.

RELH
 
This Juval guy is not what he cracks himself up to be. That entire rant is pure crap. I do not believe a shred of it. What a joke!




"Thanks climate PhD 202" - TFinalshot Feb-05-08, 02:16 PM (MST)
 
RELH I didn't say we wouldn't retaliate , I said we're not going into another exploritory war. we're not nuking anyone firsts either, get real. China and Russia together could turn us into a smoking ash heap and then China could send Hop Sings over with sticks to finish the survivors. NO thats not what they intend to do and they don't even want to but to assume they are helpless against us is the ignorant idiotic thinking that may get us there. they are very powerful nations and they like Iran better than us, keep that in the back of your fog bank mind. you didn't take my bet so I can tell you're blowing more smoke.

202 whats the matter? he said the Iraq war and not getting Bin Laden are screw ups? Bush knew of the 9/11 plans and sat on his thumbs? I figured that would make him a insane crack pot. I don't know about the pre 9/11 warning but he's right on with the rest of it.
 
I don't believe a lick of it. Hell I could have written that crap for all you know. It is a bunch of B.S.



"Thanks climate PhD 202" - TFinalshot Feb-05-08, 02:16 PM (MST)
 
Funny how Obama's preacher gets two months of front page news and Brittany Spears newsflashes cut into anything else on TV but Aviv gets a blip on cable news and a line on the back page.

Only in America. it's easy to blame the media but the media is giving they people what they want. the demand for crap exceeds the supply, it's scary.
 

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