So if I understand this right, a few guys think that the way arizona does it is right? So do you guys think that the way colorado, nevada, and Utah does it is wrong? They provide ample land owner permits, give reasonable number of tags, and have pretty good big game populations. Landowners win, non-residents win, residents win, outfitters win, hunters in general win, wildlife organizations win. It seems to me that you get a few guys start whining about we'll have more tags if we take a few from the outfitters, landowners, and non-residents. B.S. statistically, you will have nearly the same stinking odds, but now you have sunk the outfitters, reduced the pool of money the fish and game has to work with, alienated the landowners, and hurt wildlife in general. I live in Arizona, believe me we don't have good drawing odds, in fact our odds suck as residents, all the 10% does is keeps my buddies from out of state from ever hunting with me. I wish that Arizona provided some sort of outfitter pool, landowner tag or something, it would certainly benefit the state, we are way behind the times, in fact we still have to apply with a paper application, because the fish and game cant put their crap together. By the way JFWRC appears to be a pretty stand up guy, from my dealings with him, he would bend over backwards to try to get you in a unit, and he is not looking to nickle and dime people, just trying to enhance hunters experiences in general. Any time I have asked he has been more than helpful and hasn't asked for a penny, Maybe you guys could learn a thing or two from him, you definitely ought to take a statistics on drawing odds, if you really think the odds will improve much. MY $.02.