Killed a DINK bull. What do you think he scores?

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I think we need more info. Like a story, was it an open bull unit or a LE unit, etc, etc, etc.
 
Ill post a story when I get a min. I drew a Manti tag with three points. I killed him opening day right before dark. Spot and stalk, down a big dark deep canyon, with about three minutes left of shooting light. Fity yard Heart shot with a G%striker, FMJ 440 grain arrow, passed completely through his rear shoulder, ran ten rards and tipped over. Weirdest thing, he let out two big death mouns, filled the canyong walls just like a bear.
 
OUTSTANDING!!! Thanks for sharing and I would shoot him in heartbeat on the MANTI
 
Nice bull! And good job on the spot, stalk, and shot. It's a bit hard to tell, but I think he's probably near 340 or so.
 
I'm not usually a fan of velvet, but his velvet looks great! I hope you can keep it preserved so that it looks just the same mounted.
 
Very nice bull. I would say high 330's. My taxi told me to cut the cape at least half way to the hind quarters. Not doggin ya, I am just curious. Did he cut far enough back on the cape? Is his taxi going to be limited in mounts he can choose from without adding to the cape?? I know you don't need as much for a pedistal mount. Maybe thats the plan... What do you guys think??
 
Nice bull solid 320 id guess. i also have a manti tag i drew the muzzle at the expo. if you have any information on any other good bulls you saw during or before your hunt id love the help. thanks for the post and congrats...
 
Allot colder then I had expected. A week ago I was down spotting, and it felt like late September. Wish I would have had my rivers west.
 
You have me worried! Did I take him back far enough? Dropped him off at the taxi, Looked over the cape and did not seem worried. When I shot him he was looking over his left shoulder, usually mount them the last I remember them. Shoulder mount, semi sneak, turned to the left.
 
I am in the 335-340 crowd. He has good thirds and great 2nd's which will push him up a bit. Conrats! I dont think that bull qualifies as a dink.
 
if i had a wall full of those "dinks" i wouldn't ever complain! great bull , sounds like a great stalk, congrats to you! i'll be on the upper 330's crowd.
as far as the cape, although to be safe, you should take them farther back, but when it's all over you'll be fine. maybe couldn't have one of those mounts that include a partial leg? but most of your regular shoulder mounts , you shouldn't have a problem. congrats!!
 
Thanks guys for all the remarks, Im really happy with him. Far exceeded my expectations, truly just wanted to get an arrow in a bull. He is my first archery elk. I had him green scored this morning, and the guy came up with 353, four inches of deductions. Im truly humbled by the experience, and have the utmost respect for these animals. My buddy Brian Schiller, helped a ton. I could not have done it without him. You truly find out who you real friends are in such experiences.
 
Great for you.

Yeh cape is gonna be short-----from that photo angle--- but your taxi can use something else on the back of the form.....it will look great!

There is a Velvet Class for elk in P&Y.....go for it.

320 is my thoughts.

congrats

Robb
 
"You truly find out who you real friends are in such experiences."

Great bull and the statement above is the most accurate statement I have heard in a long time.

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Later, Brandon
 
Wow......I hunt the Manti and can't wait to eventually draw down there. I would have shot that bull with a rifle tag opening morning.......sweet bulllll
 
Congrats, thats an awesome archery bull! Thanks for the pics and story.

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Congratulations on a Great Looking Bull .........

Man i love that velvet..................

I was say a solid 340 class bull



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That's a very nice archery bull, congrads! I would be very happy with him, I have a N Cache Bull tag & have not seen any thing like that, or many bulls period!
 
338???


Yep, your pretty smart to figure out that anything posted on this website under 446 1/2" is a dink. Tough crowd on here. I personally get wood anytime I see a bull over 320 and that bull looks freakin awesome!



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Awesome bull!! I love the velvet, looks sweet! I have a manti muzzleloader tag and you just stirred up the fire even more! Can't wait to get my chance at a bull like that. Congrats! Great bull!
 
Great job with the stick and string. Can't wait to give it a go myself here in several days. ATTABOY!!!!! Thanks for pumping me up so I can't sleep!
 
That is a solid bull! Very nice job! Spot and stalk on a trophy bull! That is freakin awesome! Congratulations on a great 1st bull!

Just for curiosities sake, was that you dropping off the meat at Clay miers sunday around 6ish? I saw a bull similar to yours pull in the back of a pick up as I was leaving.

Congrats again!

Chad
 
Your good on the cape. Unless your wanting some sort of offset form which shows more shoulder on ones side than the other, you shouldn't have any problem. One of the biggest problems I've had with capes is when the cut is made up the back of the leg from the cut around its girth. On deer (I'm sure on elk also)guys will cut into the armpit area instead of up the back of the leg, which causes problems in the armpit area when mounting.

Congrats on a darn fine bull.

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I love "DINK BULLS" and thats a fine bull.


"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
 
I would love to have a wall full of Dinks like that. Congrats on one fine looking velvet bull. My guess is in the low 340's
 
BEAUTIFUL BULL doesn't matter what he scores ! I have seen bigger bulls that don't look as good as he does. Congratutation on a awesome archery bull.
 
In reply to your second post (the reference to his 20" seconds lol) How long are his fronts lolololollo
 
For real 20 inch seconds, his first are a little different but i think they were about 12 inches, kind of weird the discrepancy between the two.
 
Hey Carver,
Nice bull sent you an Email also.
I know exactly what canyon you killed him in.
 
That is a great bull! Congrats on the hunt.



" One of the biggest problems I've had with capes is when the cut is made up the back of the leg from the cut around its girth. On deer (I'm sure on elk also)guys will cut into the armpit area instead of up the back of the leg, which causes problems in the armpit area when mounting."

Great advice Hobbes and a bit of info I'll have tucked away that I didn't know before.
 
Congrats on a dandy! That's what I was looking for, some pics of bulls shot in August with full velvet. I see every bit of 353 there That thing is heavy too. Congrats again!!!

Cheers,
Pete
 
Carver, I was wondering why you failed to mention the help you received
from my good friend Steve Bridge who guided you on your hunt. I
understand Steve came home early from his hunt in Southern Utah, to help
you. Steve found the bull for you (on his own), then found you, and
then put you on top of the bull. After you shot the bull he caped and
dressed out the bull for you, and then helped you pack out the cape and
antlers from the bottom of the canyon until the wee hours of the
morning? The following morning he took the time (and expense) to inject
the antlers for you to save the velvet. And, did not ask for a single
penny for his efforts!

Yet, you call it a "Dink." You question whether the cape is long
enough? And, you give credit to your buddy? I have know Steve
personally for years and I am confident Steve knows how to cape an elk,
between Steve and his dad they mount about 160 animals a year in their
Taxidermy business.

Why don't you give credit where credit is due? I think you owe Steve a
tremendously thank you for his efforts to ensure your hunt was
successful, and not ask for anything in return.
 
I think he may have been being sarcastic in his DINK remark. Easy fella.
 
BucksBullsandBroncs,
I think you are missing the point of the post.
It was his first kill of an elk ever and he had
someone basically guide him gut and cape the animal for him and
help him pack it and take care of his antlers
for him at no cost.And not a mention of it or a thank you them.
And with it being his first one maybe he didnt even know
how good a bull it was.That's all I was saying.
Give credit where credit is due.
 
356...and just so you know..most people would die for a velvet bull. What a trophy.

HK
 
Don't let everyone worry you about the cape. I've been helping my dad do taxidermy for 30 years and you'll be just fine. I was actually worried I cut my bull a little short a couple years ago and it was still plenty. No worries...Great bull...Congrats!
 
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Camoup

Lol, there always has to be one of you isn't there. Dont know where you got your information or why you feel it necessary to criticise of whom I thank on this web sight, or of whom I dont?

I feel compelled to inform you the sequence of effects that took place in shooting my bull. And then maybe you can make your judgement call on my alleged guided hunt:

I have hunted the Manti unit for quite some time, and realize there are people out there that have more knowledge about the unit then I do. When I found out about my tag, I posted a forum on MM in my efforts to obtain more information. I received a PM from a gentle man who informed me of Ray Bridges property that he leases, and gave me his contact information. I explored this avenue, liked the country, and the most appealing aspect of this was, Ray guaranteed I would be the only one hunting the area at the time. But of coarse this did not come without cost, I paid $1500, to get away from the public, spike, cow, and deer hunters. THIS WAS NOT A GUIDED HUNT.

So opening morning came along and to my surprise, the roads were filled with four wheelers, rinos, trucks, and hunters glassing the canyons that I was assured would be all mine. Little did I know the area was surrounded by easily accessed public ground.

Well after my seven hour hike opening morning, up and down canyons, my buddy and I headed back to camp, of which we set up right in the middle of the road, knowing we were suppose to be the only ones hunting the property. While we were recouping, we where greeted by a four wheeler, and a truck of bow hunters who claimed they were given permission to bow hunt the property.

At this point I was second guessing my investment, and made a phone call to Ray. Ray was at the least to say upset as well. And informed my he was on his way home, and was going to send his son, Steve up to address those of whom were not suppose to be hunting. And would like to mention, I was informed they were all ready on there way home.

Well we proceeded with are evening hunt. Tried sitting on some water, but I found myself itchy and wanted to look through the swaro's. As we got back to the truck, I noticed I had a missed call form Rays wife. Called her back and she expressed her son was up there, and he was looking at a three forty bull. Well to my excitement I got his number and contacted Steve.

A short time later Steve and I met up. Introduced are selves and I asked Steve if he would show me where He saw the elk. He expressed that he wasn't sure we would be-able to see them, and that the day was coming to a close and didn't think we had enough time to get on the elk. Well, I was intrigued so we headed to the canyon. Upon arrival, to the big dark deep canyon there were no elk insight. We talked it over for a minute and decided are best solution was to walk down the ridge a few hundred yards and see if we could get a better angle to view the alleged elk.

As we made are way down the back side of the ridge, I got to a point where I felt I could view the canyon better. As I crept over the ridge line looking down into the bottom of the canyon, I could see a big tan body in a clearing opposite side to the hill side. I motioned for Steve and my buddy Brian to join me at my vantage point. Steve being familiar with the canyon, told me I should come back tomorrow evening and sit up along the quakes, hoping to intercept the bulls as they were heading to there watering area. Well I looked at my watch knowing I had maybe forty five minutes of day light, and I looked at the canyon. I have learned with bow hunting, you take advantage of every opportunity that presents itself.

Without second thought, I headed for the bull. As I descended down into the canyon everything started to get quiet, and every step I took I felt echoed throughout the canyon walls. I knew the ground I had to cover, and the daylight that was fastly dissipating, I knew I had to move fast but quite. I had thoughts going through my head that maybe I couldn't get on these bulls and I was wasting my time.

As i approached the bottom of the canyon I lost sight of the bull in the thick timber across the neighboring hill side. I made a mental note of a familiar quake as a reference point. My main goal was to stay out of sight and get down wind. When I reached the gut, things started to open up. I could sneak along the bottom, with the green grass under my feet. Moving along I kept hearing something along the hillside. I got to a point, looking up through the quakes I could see a bull racking vigorously at a small quake. I said to myself there he is.

The stock began, I headed straight for the bull. And low and behold you have herd it a million times during a stock on a bull, "I jumped a deer". Three bucks ponced up and went jumping past the elk. Well that bulls antlers must have really itched because he didn't even look twice. I was at the least, relieved. I was closing ground but with the severity of the brush I was only getting glances of the elk. And out of nowhere A giant velvet blond rack went moving through the brush, with nothing but horns insight. My attention immediately changed.

I closed distance on the bull, I had minutes of shooting light. My thought my nikon rangefinder was invaluable at this point. As I made my way toward the bull, I came around a corner and to my surprise the bull was looking straight in my direction, standing broadside. I froze hoping he would calm down. I ranged an opening on the hillside, I could barely make out the fifty yard reading in the window of my rangefinder.

The bull sliped back into the thick brush, I knew it was now or never, I took ten bold steps hoping to open up some lanes. The revean opened up and the bull came into veiw. I adjusted my surelock sight and drew my alphamax. With the squeeze of my release the arrow was on its way. There is a unmistakable sound when a broad head strikes an animal, and It was brought back to memory very quick. I didn't know how well I hit the bull, but after the shot the hill side came alive with scattering elk. The bull took ten to fifteen steps and I could tell he was not doing good. His legs got week and he fell to his knees. His death was quick, and the G5 striker is lethal. The bull let out two big death muons that filled the canyon walls, the last moun I could feel the ghost leave his body.

Bow hunting is my life, I spent countless hours in the gym, buying the latest equipment. Tuning and practising when ever time allows. I know that this tag would haunt me for years to come if I was not successful. Failure I think would have resulted in counseling. I thanked God for I feel it was a blessing, I shed tears for the bulls life, and felt humbled I could be part of it.

Steve descended down the mountain, and helped me cape my bull out. Something of which I have no knowledge of. The canyon was steep and thick and we did not get out of there until we hours of the morning. I took the cape, Steve jumped up and grabbed the rack. I was on all fours making through the brush, after the grueling day of hiking, and the blisters on my feet. Im glad Steve was there I appreciated his help. I thanked him countless times. I cant imagine what that rack would have looked like if I would have tried to get it out that night. We drove into price and Steve injected my bull at three thirty in the morning. I offered to pay him and he declined. I told him I would buy him a new badlands for his efforts, of which he seemed exited about. Of which is ready to be shipped.

So leave it to your judgement whether I was guided on my hunt? I know I could not have done it buy myself. My buddy Brian took the whole weekend, devoted his time and helped me skin and pack out quarters all Sunday long. He went with me every step of the way. I really would like to thank leonard, the guy that was trespassing. Or Steve Waters for getting in touch with me and sharing the info. Or maybe the guys at the bow shop who supply me with the worlds most deadly archery equipment. Or maybe my alleged wife who decided to bale because of my passion for hunting, that freed up a ton of time and money. And of coarse would like to thank you Camoup for setting me straight, I really appreciate it!

Sorry for such the long story; some peoples Kids crack me up.
Oh and one last thing, I'm sorry If you did not pick up on the sarcasm of "MY DINK BULL". Really you took my seriously? As I mentioned before he far exceeded my expectations!
 
Great long story Wapiti77......still sounds to me like this Steve kid helped you out as much as the Brian kid did and that he really didn't need to! I think Camoup was just saying, if you are going to thank the people who helped you on your hunt, you better thank everyone! Great bull, Congrats.
 
Great bull. The velvet looks great. Thanks for sharing the pics and the story.

That would be frustrating to pay good money and have someone's word that you are the only one in a given area, only to have hunters all over. I would have been upset as well.

CamoUp, Buckup and relax. Because a hunter didn't thank your good buddy the way you feel he should've been thanked, you try and expose the archer as one that lacks hunting ability on MM.

What do you mean Staeve didn't ask for anything in return? Didn't the hunter pay $1,500 and then send a Badlands pack? Isn't this more than enough? Maybe Steve and his dad should split the $1,500 and possibly invest a little bit of it into ensuring they can keep to their word as far as trespassers.
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-21-09 AT 11:09AM (MST)[p]Your right he did not have to help. He seemed more then willing and excited to Help. And nor did I ask, or pay for his help. One thing Steve told me, he was waiting for years for a guy to come in and kill a bull. I didnt know publicly thanking him on MM qualified as paying him adequate respect. If I have offend him, I apologize! He seems like a great guy. One of the things I also told him as well, I will be more then happy to refer friends and family to his fathers lease. I have sense come into contact with an individual, who has that rifle tag. Camoup I really doubt as well Ray, or his son, would appreciate you attacking one of their business clients. Just my opinion, but each to their own.
 
BBB,
They do keep their word they were just as upset
as Carver about the trepassers.But you know it is Utah
and most of them dont and wont follow the laws and go ahead and
trespass on propety that is posted and has locked gates.
Not much else someone can do besides be on the property
24/7 lol.Maybe in would be nice for people to obey the laws
and not have to worry about stuff like that.
 
CamoUp,

+1 regarding it would be nice for people to obey the laws. I don't know enough about the land or owners to comment any further, and I certainly don't want to hi-jack this post which is focused around a hunter that killed a really nice bull.
 
Just a thought as well. What a great way to say thank you, by killing and advertising a trophy bull. And sharing your experience with others. I know positive results and good referrals are great for my business.
 
Steve Bridge here. Just to clarify, I did NOT guide Carver. He did it all on his own. I was just there to lend a hand and show him some bulls that he might not have seen. Good job Carver, great bull!!
 
Seeing Carver kill that bull was all the thanks that I needed. I was more than happy to help him pack it out. This was a do-it-yourself hunt. Thanks again Carver for letting me tag along. Steve
 
You the man Steve! Thanks again for all you did! I will forever remeber that evening!
 
I heard about this from a guy yesterday. I have to admit, after reading the story, sounds like you did end up getting a pretty sweet deal from Bridge family. Also, I'd like to note that Steve has the blood on his hands, and you seem to have some clean hands. Looks like this guy Steve did help you out, little recognition wouldn't hurt.

That's a Great Bull! You should be tickled to death with him. Not many guys can get a Velvet Bull... Congrats!!
 
I gutted my bull thanks. My gloves are soaked with blood. My hands and arms are covered as well. I finished help capping the bull out when I was done. Its funny that you people feel such self entitlement, to discredit my accomplishment. Or deem necessary to correct me, where you feel needed. You don't know me, you weren't there.

Individuals on this sight try to share life accomplishments, and personal success, and there is always someone who feels it necessary to criticize. Are you jealous? Are you bitter? Do you not have enough sense to have some self restraint?

I truly believe you can judge a mans character by the words that come out of his mouth.

And yes, I succeeded. Call it luck, skill, whatever you want. Does it matter? I paid a great price for my bull. I work my ass off!! I prepare endlessly, for I know opportunity will present itself. I made a judgment call to pay the money to access the property. I payed the Bridge family allot of money to access their gate. Would it have been a sweet deal if I was promised things that did not come to pass, and not harvest a bull? I hiked down the canyon, and stuck an arrow in that bulls heart. I carried that bull out on my back.

I personally find it ridiculous we have such limit opportunity to harvest a mature bull elk in the state of Utah. That we have to wait to draw to hunt a LE unit. That we have to pay to get away from the public. That there are so limit areas to hunt with out restrictions in the state. That the industry has become a greedy business. But I played by the rules. Make no mistake about it, I feel very lucky at the opportunities I do have.
 

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