Non resident Moose tags?

RidgeRebel · Feb 9, 2018

Can someone help me understand how the Idaho Fish and Game decide which units will have Non resident moose tags? Looking at the odds on Gohunt, it looks like there is some years a Non resident tag is given on a unit and not on other years. I know Non residents can only get up to 10% but some units have less than 10 tags but there was still a non resident tag given. Can anyone explain?
Thanks
Bob

Blank · Feb 9, 2018

LAST EDITED ON Feb-09-18 AT 12:53PM (MST)[p]From the 2017/2018 regs-

Nonresident Limitations
Nonresident hunters are limited to no more than 10 percent
of the total number of controlled hunt tags for each species.
(Special bighorn sheep tags available by auction and lottery are not included in the 10 percent limitation.) In controlled hunts with 10 or fewer tags, not more than one nonresident tag may be issued.

Moose ? Overall moose tags were reduced by 68 (45
antlered and 23 antlerless), to a total of 805 statewide.
Some controlled hunt area boundaries were modified in
Unit 1.

There are 88 bull moose hunts listed, so theoretically you could have a NR tag in almost every hunt, without ever getting to the end or the cow hunts.

I don't know if they have reached that situation in the past, where they max'd out or not.... I think it would be better to have a set aside # for NR only myself, but that is just me. If they were to reach the 10% cap before reaching the end of the drawings for all units, no further NR tags would be awarded and they would continue to draw resident apps until all were filled.

I guess that would be a good question for the home office computer guys.

N_Corey · Feb 9, 2018

They draw all non resident tags as up to 10%. So if you put in for a tag with say 10 tags to make it simple if 10 residents are drawn before any non residents are then all 10 tags that year will go to residents. If a nonresident is drawn first then the remaining 9 tags will go to residents. It's not a guaranteed 10% for nonresident type system.

N_Corey · Feb 9, 2018

Idaho is not a guaranteed 10% tags for nonresidents it's up to 10%. So if there's 50 tags for a hunt not residents could draw 5 maximum or anything less it all depends what order they're pulled vs residents. It's almost impossible to know the actual odds for nonresidents with this system.

BPKHunter · Feb 13, 2018

And it may be misleading to think about the 10%, but often the % of NR's vs Residents applying is lower than that 10%.

Any hunt with fewer than 10 tags, the 10% doesn't apply.

Sierra · Feb 15, 2018

For the reasons stated above, several of the draw odds resources (magazines, internet) dramatically overstate the draw odds for certain species in Idaho.

Oregonbased · Apr 18, 2018

Utilize the odds link on the main page. I applied last year for the 1st time and was successful in drawing my tag in the panhandle 2017. Fun species to hunt! I would gear towards the rut as I had several opportunities and took the 3rd bull I saw at 17 yards

andrew12gauge · Apr 18, 2018

>LAST EDITED ON Feb-09-18
>AT 12:53?PM (MST)
>
>From the 2017/2018 regs-
>
>Nonresident Limitations
>Nonresident hunters are limited to no
>more than 10 percent
>of the total number of controlled
>hunt tags for each species.
>
>(Special bighorn sheep tags available by
>auction and lottery are not
>included in the 10 percent
>limitation.) In controlled hunts with
>10 or fewer tags, not
>more than one nonresident tag
>may be issued.
>
>Moose ? Overall moose tags were
>reduced by 68 (45
>antlered and 23 antlerless), to a
>total of 805 statewide.
>Some controlled hunt area boundaries were
>modified in
>Unit 1.
>
>There are 88 bull moose hunts
>listed, so theoretically you could
>have a NR tag in
>almost every hunt, without ever
>getting to the end or
>the cow hunts.
>
>I don't know if they have
>reached that situation in the
>past, where they max'd out
>or not.... I think it
>would be better to have
>a set aside # for
>NR only myself, but that
>is just me. If they
>were to reach the 10%
>cap before reaching the end
>of the drawings for all
>units, no further NR tags
>would be awarded and they
>would continue to draw resident
>apps until all were filled.
>
>
>I guess that would be a
>good question for the home
>office computer guys.

This is a pretty good summary except for the part where you say they could draw all of the NR moose tags before getting to the cow tags. There is no order in which a particular hunt is drawn. All of the applications are in the same draw, each applicant assigned a random number, then they are ordered from lowest to highest. Essentially the draw is then done by going down the list and checking each applicants 1st choice against available tags.

So let's say they get to the 30th applicant on the list and let's say he is a nonresident who applied for unit X with 10 bull tags as his first choice. The first check they would do then is are any of the tags available, if the answer is yes on to the next, has the nonresident quota been met overall, if the answer is no then on to the next, has the nonresident quota for this particular hunt(1 tag) been filled, if the answer is no then the applicant would receive a tag. However it is possible that the answer to part 3 could be yes that particular hunts nonresident quota is filled and then applicant no 31 who is a resident could potentially have the same hunt as their selection and would receive the tag instead. It could also be that in my example any 10 resident applicants amongst numbers 1-29 could have applied for the same hunt as applicant number 30 who is a nonresident and all of the resident applicants would have received the tags as it is up to 10% of the quota not a guaranteed 10%. Did I confuse everybody enough yet?