AZNATIVE98
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Looks like beginning in January NR will be capped at 10% for OTC archery deer. 2,890 tags to first come first serve available 12-01-22 at 12AM online only. Yeah
Game fish should have just issued NR's a very limited # of tags for each unit and made them apply and draw the tag. I am not anti- NR but I am pro Arizona wildlife and hunters. With the quota system in place now all this new NR's solution is going to do is take opportunity away from residents. The faster quotas fill, the sooner hunts close.
I agree. They should have just made them draw tags for the NRs and required them to apply in the draw and lose points if drawn. The guys that love these archery hunts that have low number of points would probably burn them, which would help with point creep.
There's no way that the quota will be met for every or any unit for whitetail down south so NR will have an opportunity to use their purchased deer tag, it just might not be for mule deer. Also plenty of other hunting opportunities to use that $160 hunting license and I'm guessing that most NR who purchase a hunting license are also putting in for other species. Also lets say that a NR gets a 2023 tag and the quotas all feel up before they were able to use it in January the tag will still be valid for the August hunt and right now I believe every unit down south and some of the Northern units didn't feel the quota for mule deer and will be open for at least the first 6 days of the December hunt and I would be willing to bet the same will hold true for 2023.I understand managing the resource and increasing hunting opportunities for residents, but the thing that bothers me the is a NR could purchase a tag, then the season closes due to meeting kill quotas. AZ selling a tag and not letting it be used is like robbery!
Yea, I know, the same could happen to a resident. And the buyer knows those are the rules, but a NR is out $460 bucks, plus a lot more in travel, motel, etc. than the R tag.
Both R and NR just needs to be there opening day. Even if the quota is met Friday(opening day), the unit won’t close until the following Wednesday at sundown. So you still have 6 days to hunt, regardless if the quota is met.I understand managing the resource and increasing hunting opportunities for residents, but the thing that bothers me the is a NR could purchase a tag, then the season closes due to meeting kill quotas. AZ selling a tag and not letting it be used is like robbery!
Yea, I know, the same could happen to a resident. And the buyer knows those are the rules, but a NR is out $460 bucks, plus a lot more in travel, motel, etc. than the R tag.
What I'm interested in is how many of those "residents" are actually non-residents with a lifetime license, AZ likes to exempt this group from the NR cap for some reason. I'm expecting this carve-out to go away in the future considering the limited resources as you mentioned, but it's amazing that they're still applying this rule, now towards OTC archery deer.The last thing we should be offering is OTC opportunities to non-residents when we can't meet the needs/wants of the residents. What other western state offers OTC deer (especially mule deer) opportunities to NR's during the very best times to hunt them during the rut? This is crazy
Where did you find this information? I have heard about the units closing after meeting quota but I haven't read anything about tag caps and online purchasingLooks like beginning in January NR will be capped at 10% for OTC archery deer. 2,890 tags to first come first serve available 12-01-22 at 12AM online only. Yeah
Sure you can. Colorado you can bowhunt elk in the rut every year, they sell tens of thousands of tags to NR. Also OTC rifle hunts post rut also tens of thousands. Also Idaho has OTC rut deer and elk hunts with a quota much higher than Arizona. Nebraska archery deer is the same. I'm sure there's more....I’m super happy about this. This needed to happen years ago. I can’t just buy a tag in the prime rut for other states I don’t live in and go hunt. I’d like the to see it capped at even less.
I’m referring to archery deer hunts in the rut not elk.Sure you can. Colorado you can bowhunt elk in the rut every year, they sell tens of thousands of tags to NR. Also OTC rifle hunts post rut also tens of thousands. Also Idaho has OTC rut deer and elk hunts with a quota much higher than Arizona. Nebraska archery deer is the same. I'm sure there's more....
You can’t compare those States to Arizona. Our dry, arid climate limits the resource greatly. We just don’t have the numbers our Western neighbors hold. We can’t sustain unchecked demand.Sure you can. Colorado you can bowhunt elk in the rut every year, they sell tens of thousands of tags to NR. Also OTC rifle hunts post rut also tens of thousands. Also Idaho has OTC rut deer and elk hunts with a quota much higher than Arizona. Nebraska archery deer is the same. I'm sure there's more....
Mule deer I would agree.... Coues on the other hand is a totally different story. I doubt that many units will reach the archery harvest limits on coues with the exception of a few, the success rates are so low.You can’t compare those States to Arizona. Our dry, arid climate limits the resource greatly. We just don’t have the numbers our Western neighbors hold. We can’t sustain unchecked demand.
Huh? Unless you own a ranch on the strip, I don’t follow you on the landowner tags. Not that private is a real issue down there, but I don’t see how taking licenses out of the public pool helps anything.I’m just salty about no land owner tags in Az… I understand the limiting NR tags. It isn’t sustainable at all. I wonder about the increase in residents in the west at the rate we are going we won’t have any water left for people. CO’s population has doubled in 10ish years AZ is booming… I guess we will find out?
Blue I am a colorado kid, and lucked out into marrying into a pioneering ranch family in the Kirkland area, so when I looked into hunting AZ I was a little disappointed in the no land owner option, but I get it. Everyone has to go through the draw more equitable for sure, just was looking to cash in on finally having some private to hunt, aren’t many big deer on the ranch though… tons of javelina thoughHuh? Unless you own a ranch on the strip, I don’t follow you on the landowner tags. Not that private is a real issue down there, but I don’t see how taking licenses out of the public pool helps anything.
They say cities use less water than ag does. Not sure I believe that.
30 years ago that otc archery tag was the best thing going. I seem to recall hunting season being like 4 months long back then
Totally get it. My grandma is what they called a “territorial daughter” and I was borned and raised in the Verde Valley. Which may make me an illegal?Blue I am a colorado kid, and lucked out into marrying into a pioneering ranch family in the Kirkland area, so when I looked into hunting AZ I was a little disappointed in the no land owner option, but I get it. Everyone has to go through the draw more equitable for sure, just was looking to cash in on finally having some private to hunt, aren’t many big deer on the ranch though… tons of javelina though
4 months is awesome, yeah my in laws are pretty connected with some outfitters and they are not happy with the new deer archery season, sounds like most of the units will meet quota the first week and then close up
The family is still holding 800 or so acres along Kirkland creek, but a fraction of the 6500 that it once was. Grandpa has killed a few nice ones when he was little, but he is far more into raising and eating cattle than huntingTotally get it. My grandma is what they called a “territorial daughter” and I was borned and raised in the Verde Valley. Which may make me an illegal?
I knew a lot of those old pioneer families. Most of those big holdings have been turned into a house on the beach somewhere. The ones that are still in the family usually have a pile of gnarly racks in a barn somewhere.
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