LAST EDITED ON Dec-05-08 AT 07:42PM (MST)[p]Well 30inchbuck here is the official tally
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2008-10-03-washington-bailoutwrap-friday_N.htm
2 out of 3 Dems, a little less than half of Reps.
Remember it failed at the 700 Billion mark due to Nancy Pelosi hurting the House Republicans feelings...John Boehner is a pretty sensitive guy. When it came back at 800+ Billion it was passed by the Republicans with provisions to up the AMT levels and increase the FDIC to 250K. (I agree with the added 100+billion)
Yes, what did cause the banking failure? What party leaders tried unsuccessfully in 2005, the last year of an 11 year Republican dominated congress. Nice try but sorry to say it wasn't in 2006, it was before the 110th congress. Check your records...and post it!
"As for activist judges what Supreme Court gave us warrantless wire-taps, suspension of habeas corpus, torture, Terri Schaivo, and control of the national guard taken away from the Governors?"
Any acceptance of torture on behalf of a free nation is a complete abomination. It is your like-minded rational that allows hangings in soccer stadiums, electric shock, stoning, or beheading. Afterall, it anything can fall under the guise of national security. We are not our enemies and there is such a thing as honor in warfare, that is why we do not torture, nor should we as a nation advocate the use of torture.
How did our founding fathers feel about a federalized army? What would they think of a government that invades the basic right of privacy, has secret torture sites, or suspends habeas corpus? I guess it does not bother you guys that during a time of national crisis the military can now be called in to police the civil populace. Ops, that's right I forgot, you guys just complain about Dems and do not answer questions that pertain to Reps, especially Bush.
So here we are, the first week of December 2008 and now you are concerned about Obama not upgrading our nuclear defense systems or a proposed national health care system plan. Business wants an affordable national healthcare system that results in lower premiums. Without it there can be no reform to the fraud-plagued Workers Compensation system.
Amazing that for 11 years of Republican congressional domination you guys were quiet as church mice until George is one foot out the door. George is still the president boys and Obama has yet to do a single thing as President. Not a peep from the GOP sheep while the Bush Administration trampled on our constitution. I guess you guys must agree with George that "the Constitution is just a god daxned piece of paper" or Alberto when he said, "the constitution is outdated".
Guantanamo is simply a rallying cry for wannabe terrorist everywhere. It is a shining beacon of the failed foreign policy of the Bush Administration. More Freedom Fries please Pierre! Torture and indefinite detention without facing charges by your accusor is simply Unamerican. I am saddened to actually have to write that sentence in this day and age.
"They" who they? Al Quaeda? Wahhabeist? Iraqi-Sunnies? Sadr-Shiites? Poshtuns? Talibs? Iranian-Shiites? Hamas? The Basque Resistance? Somali Pirates? All these guys were not in on 9-11 so which "they" do you mean? Be specific...
Government Health Care is apparently o.k. for our seniors, troops, congress, and first family but it's not o.k. for you...got it.
bwnco
"bwnco just admit it...you are a homophobic racist with a god-complex or you simply dislike Obama because he is tall."
I believe that is the full quote, not some hacked piece of Hannity tripe cut in mid-sentence to be taken out of context to fit a blatant agenda. So I guess it's the latter of the 2 you don't like him because he is tall.
As for Reagan and conservatism, I highly suggest you donate some of your whittlin' time to educate yourself about the Reagan years. The last thing you want bwnco, Rum, 3-Blade, or Bugler is to stimulate factual debate or provide referenced facts. At least 30inchbuck has the cajones to actually address an issue or two, allbeit he as well could not answer a single question either.
It's all about fear-based post-election menstrual hyperbale, if it was not you could at least answer 1 of my inquiries. The Answers: Republican Party
Reagan re-instilled nationalism, brought unity to the country, broke the Russians financially, picked a strong cabinet, and held high respect for the office. However, both government growth and the federal deficits increased tremendously under his terms. His policies of deregulation, trickle-down economics, and free markets have been embraced for the last 28 years of presidencies. Unfortunately issues about Medicare, Medicaid, or Social Security financial instabilities were unaddressed then, as they currently are now.
Take a look around, how's all that Reaganomics working out? Bush gave the wealthy tax breaks, how did that trickle-down thing work-out? Deregulation in all industries, let alone the financial industry has proven to be a real winner. How many banks, oil companies, or airlines are there now, compared to 30 years ago?
Ross Perot asked during a presidential debate in 1979 on NAFTA, "Do you hear that sucking sound, that is the sound of middle class jobs leaving America to foreign soil?"
We have been warned about this sector-wide house of cards for years and now that we are neck high in it an all you boys can do is whine about a guy that has not, cannot, and will not do anything until he is sworn in on 1-20-2009.
Instead of seeing the flaws and utter lack of conservatism during an 11-year congressional republican reign or 8 years in the Whitehouse you want to blame Carter, Clinton, and the Democratic Controlled 110th congress.One only needs to look at the historical high number of filibusters on behalf of the republicans since the 2006 election to understand why the 110th congress has been ineffective.
Neither party is completely innocent of embracing the failed policies of the last 28 years that are currently bankrupting the country. However, Reaganomics is the brainchild of the rightside of the aisle no matter how you slice it.
Reagan....what an insult to core conservatives everywhere. If you want a conservative Republican president role model try Lincoln, Eisenhower, or T. Roosevelt. Ike once asked the American public during a radio address, "Do we want to live in a world where Humanity is placed on an Iron Cross?" Ike warned the public about the Military Industrial Complex's desires to feed off tax payer funds. Tax-payer funds that could actually provide hospitals, job-training, schools, roads, mass transit systems, homes, free college educations, etc. Now take a look at the federal budget and see what percentage goes to defense.
If you boys want to High-5 each other by living in denial more power to you. Continue to live in a world of am radio sound bites and redirect all debate away from simple fact. Until any of you realize the inherent flaws that exist in both parties and the election process you cannot fix the system. Republican, GOP, Democrat, Dixiecrat, Conservative, Liberal, Constitutional are all fluid definitions. You want to fix the party, then take some responsibility, identify it's flaws, understand it's direction, and elect effective representatives.
Or depending on where you stand you can surrender the party of Lincoln and freeing the slaves to the religious right and start a viable fiscally conservative, moderately social 3rd party.
Whatever you do, please don't actually waste time researching or verifying facts, you'll rob me of the pleasure I take in responding to your pedantic posts.
Read this top to bottom and you might factually understand how, where, and what led us to this crisis. You probably won't understand it since it's in plain English.
http://www.riskglossary.com/link/united_states_financial_regulat
ion.htm
Now you know!
