Colorado, Wyoming, montanaNo problem with it here. Re-starting with 0-points for deer this year yet, somehow I KNOW I will still have 2 CA deer tags and ample opportunity to spend quality time in the outdoors trying to fill them with friends and family....all while still building points and increasing my chances for drawing a more desireable hunt in the future. I'm not aware of another state's system that allows the same (building points while still having a tag to hunt with).
I must be missing something....You are telling me that you can put in for a specific hunt/tag in those states, not draw the hunt/tag AND still obtain TWO other buck tags to hunt with that same year AND still bank a point for future draws?Colorado, Wyoming, montana
Yep Montana lets you buy a point and use it even before the drawI must be misinformed then....You are telling me that you can put in for a specific hunt/tag in those states, not draw the hunt/tag and thus gain a point, yet still obtain a mule deer tag and hunt that same year?
If its used, you would have a tag....and then be left without a point, right? I think we may have our wires crossesd. I just edited the wording of my original post to be more clear.Yep Montana lets you buy a point and use it even before the draw
In any of those states you can apply and draw a unit or general tag similar to California while still gaining a point for the following year, but drawing two deer tags that’s a different story and honestly I don’t really think California should offer it as our deer herd is struggling.I must be missing something....You are telling me that you can put in for a specific hunt/tag in those states, not draw the hunt/tag AND still obtain TWO other buck tags to hunt with that same year AND still bank a point for future draws?
You've captured my interest...so in the states you mentioned you could...In any of those states you can apply and draw a unit or general tag similar to California while still gaining a point for the following year, but drawing two deer tags that’s a different story and honestly I don’t really think California should offer it as our deer herd is struggling.
do you mean "nonresident" ?Can you apply for points only in CA w/o buying a hunting license? If not, this should be available. Doesn't make sense to spend almost $100 for a point as a resident. Crazy really.
I think the disconnect for me regarding the Montana system is that, if I recall correctly, there is essentially a hybrid/dual system in place. Doesnt their system allow you to obtain BONUS points for general unit deer tags, but also purchase or earn PREFERENCE points for limited entry buck tags? And as I once understood it, you had to first draw a general tag before being able to then put in and obtain a limited entry tag for some special hunt.Yep Montana lets you buy a point and use it even before the draw
In those states you can apply, draw a tag while gaining a point that is correct. No it isn’t automatic applied the next year.You've captured my interest...so in the states you mentioned you could...
-apply
-then draw/obtain a tag and go hunting
-and then still purchase and bank a point for the next year?
If you purchased a point one year, wouldnt it be automatically applied the next year? If so, then you would be without that point, but could purchase another...right? If that's the case you essentially are just replacing the same 1 point over and over then and NOT accumulating numerous points like we can do here in CA.
My head is still struggling with this one...sorry!
gotcha...I thought you were asking the original question from the perspective of a non-resident where the fees would be substantially higher. No matter....what you are saying is correct, you do have to purchase a hunting license first in order to apply for a specific hunt OR a preference point.No, resident. I think you have to buy your hunting license and apply for a points only which is basically buying a tag. Add those up and it's a lot more than buying a point say in WY as a non resident.
Example: I broke my leg and can't hunt this year but I want to continue to accumulate my points. To do so I would have to buy my hunting license and deer tag. My leg isn't broken but just using this as an example...
Not automatically applied? So you get the option whether or not to apply your "banked" points each year? That kinda interesting. Is this for BONUS points or PREFERENCE points? I think I recently heard ol Randy Newberg explaining that MT's system involves both.In those states you can apply, draw a tag while gaining a point that is correct. No it isn’t automatic applied the next year.
Deer b tags are for doe hunts…correct?Non residents can purchase a “preference point” going into a draw which gets you the normal/general deer tag. Like an A,B, or D zone. ( zero points has a slightly higher chance to draw lol)
Then you can purchase a “bonus point” when applying for ahead LE draw. Like an x zone.
Then there are otc deer b licensed so yes can get two tags
They are yes. Only a handful deer b tags are either sex whitetail.Deer b tags are for doe hunts…correct?
It cant possibly be the best way for people who have, say 15, 16, 17, 18 ,19, 20 21 points for sheep and elk, but will never see max points and effectively have zero points for those draws.Not from me, I supported it from way back so I'm not gonna pull a Wyoming and change sh*t after everyone has committed.
Nobody will ever be completely happy. I supported what option I felt was best way back when.
True....to be "guaranteed" a tag in the preference point drawing you gotta outlive people with the same number of points or more than you. But dont forget the "random drawing" winners....which in CA is a SIGNIFICANT portion of those successful. in drawing a desert bighorn sheep tag.It cant possibly be the best way for people who have, say 15, 16, 17, 18 ,19, 20 21 points for sheep and elk, but will never see max points and effectively have zero points for those draws.
Yeah, guess we are committed I guess, committed to supporting max points holders, who I might add are probably going to die before drawing a sheep tag or an elk tag.
9 random, of which max point holders get to draw in too. total last years applicants: 20,341True....to be "guaranteed" a tag in the preference point drawing you gotta outlive people with the same number of points or more than you. But dont forget the "random drawing" winners....which in CA is a SIGNIFICANT portion of those successful. in drawing a desert bighorn sheep tag.
If the proposed numbers published in the digest this year hold up after the upcoming commission meeting, out of the 21 sheep tags up for grabs, TWELVE will be awarded to max point holders in the pref. points draw and NINE will be awarded in the random drawing.
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