I might be teasing a little bit. You seem to truly care Muley_73. There’s no doubt that many mule deer populations throughout the west are struggling. This is not a problem unique to Utah. I also don’t think it’s as horrible as others. I hunt a few states for muleys each fall, exclusively on easy to draw, 0-1 point units. The goal is to always kill a big mature buck ie. 5+years old, mass, long points etc. I’m probably successful 75% of the time. This year I killed a 180+ buck on one of the horrible general units mentioned in this thread. I also saw several other respectable bucks and know of a couple of other great bucks that were taken on the same unit. These are all reasons why it makes me tired to hear all the talk about how we need to shut units down. As mentioned above, killing bucks has almost no effect on overall deer populations. I would love to hear some well thought out practical realistic solutions. What I typically hear is: biologist are lazy idiots, SFW has ruined our hunting, we need to shut down hunting immediately, the fish and game only cares about money, we need to implement antler point restrictions, we need to limit technology etc. Maybe I’m the only one who thinks so, but I think most wildlife biologists do a great job, conservation groups do fantastic things for our wildlife, and the fish and game does a admirable job of balancing opportunity vs quality. I think too many hunters today want killing big animals to be easy. It’s not supposed to be easy. That’s what makes it special when you are successful.