. This seems a lot more plausible!

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Well, we've all listened to O tell how he got Bin Laden. This seems a lot more plausible! Not sure of the truth in this but then again, if its on the internet it must be true!! ha-ha The source of the story is listed below.


White House Insider: Obama Hesitated - Panetta Issued Order to Kill Osama Bin Laden.
What Valerie Jarrett, and the president, did not know is that Leon Panetta had already initiated a program that reported to him ?and only him, involving a covert on the ground attack against the compound."

Note: This update comes some 24 hours after our longtime Washington D.C. Insider first outlined shocking details of an Obama administration having been ?overruled? by senior military and intelligence officials leading up to the successful attack against terrorist Osama Bin Laden. What follows is further clarification of Insider?s insights surrounding that event.
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Q: You stated that President Obama was ?overruled? by military/intelligence officials regarding the decision to send in military specialists into the Osama Bin Laden compound. Was that accurate?
A: I was told ? in these exact terms, ?we overruled him.? (Obama) I have since followed up and received further details on exactly what that meant, as well as the specifics of how Leon Panetta worked around the president's ?persistent hesitation to act.? There appears NOT to have been an outright overruling of any specific position by President Obama, simply because there was no specific position from the president to do so. President Obama was, in this case, as in all others, working as an absentee president.
I was correct in stating there had been a push to invade the compound for several weeks if not months, primarily led by Leon Panetta, Hillary Clinton, Robert Gates, David Petraeus, and Jim Clapper. The primary opposition to this plan originated from Valerie Jarrett, and it was her opposition that was enough to create uncertainty within President Obama. Obama would meet with various components of the pro-invasion faction, almost always with Jarrett present, and then often fail to indicate his position. This situation continued for some time, though the division between Jarrett/Obama and the rest intensified more recently, most notably from Hillary Clinton. She was livid over the president's failure to act, and her office began a campaign of anonymous leaks to the media indicating such. As for Jarrett, her concern rested on two primary fronts. One, that the military action could fail and harm the president's already weakened standing with both the American public and the world. Second, that the attack would be viewed as an act of aggression against Muslims, and further destabilize conditions in the Middle East..
Q: What changed the president's position and enabled the attack against Osama Bin Laden to proceed?
A: Nothing changed with the president's opinion ? he continued to avoid having one. Every time military and intelligence officials appeared to make progress in forming a position, Jarrett would intervene and the stalling would begin again. Hillary started the ball really rolling as far as pressuring Obama began, but it was Panetta and Petraeus who ultimately pushed Obama to finally act ? sort of. Panetta was receiving significant reports from both his direct CIA sources, as well as Petraeus-originating Intel. Petraeus was threatening to act on his own via a bombing attack. Panetta reported back to the president that a bombing of the compound would result in successful killing of Osama Bin Laden, and little risk to American lives. Initially, as he had done before, the president indicated a willingness to act. But once again, Jarrett intervened, convincing the president that innocent Pakistani lives could be lost in such a bombing attack, and Obama would be left attempting to explain Panetta?s failed policy. Again Obama hesitated ? this time openly delaying further meetings to discuss the issue with Panetta. A brief meeting was held at this time with other officials, including Secretary Gates and members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but Gates, like Panetta, was unable to push the president to act. It was at this time that Gates indicated to certain Pentagon officials that he may resign earlier than originally indicated ? he was that frustrated. Both Panetta and Clinton convinced him to stay on and see the operation through..
What happened from there is what was described by me as a ?masterful manipulation? by Leon Panetta. Panetta indicated to Obama that leaks regarding knowledge of Osama Bin Laden?s location were certain to get out sooner rather than later, and action must be taken by the administration or the public backlash to the president's inaction would be ??significant to the point of political debilitation.? It was at that time that Obama stated an on-ground campaign would be far more acceptable to him than a bombing raid. This was intended as a stalling tactic, and it had originated from Jarrett. Such a campaign would take both time, and present a far greater risk of failure. The president had been instructed by Jarrett to inform Mr., Panetta that he would have sole discretion to act against the Osama Bin Laden compound. Jarrett believed this would further delay Panetta from acting, as the responsibility for failure would then fall almost entirely on him. What Valerie Jarrett, and the president, did not know is that Leon Panetta had already initiated a program that reported to him ?and only him, involving a covert on the ground attack against the compound. Basically, the whole damn operation was already ready to go ? including the specific team support Intel necessary to engage the enemy within hours of being given notice. Panetta then made plans to proceed with an on-ground assault. This information reached either Hillary Clinton or Robert Gates first (likely via military contacts directly associated with the impending mission) who then informed the other. Those two then met with Panetta, who informed each of them he had been given the authority by the president to proceed with a mission if the opportunity presented itself. Both Gates and Clinton warned Panetta of the implications of that authority ? namely he was possibly being made into a scapegoat. Panetta admitted that possibility, but felt the opportunity to get Bin Laden outweighed that risk. During that meeting, Hillary Clinton was first to pledge her full support for Panetta, indicating she would defend him if necessary. Similar support was then followed by Gates. The following day, and with Panetta?s permission, Clinton met in private with Bill Daley and urged him to get the president's full and open approval of the Panetta plan. Daley agreed such approval would be of great benefit to the action, and instructed Clinton to delay proceeding until he had secured that approval. Daley contacted Clinton within hours of their meeting indicating Jarrett refused to allow the president to give that approval. Daley then informed Clinton that he too would fully support Panetta in his actions, even if it meant disclosing the president's indecision to the American public should that action fail to produce a successful conclusion. Clinton took that message back to Panetta and the CIA director initiated the 48 hour engagement order. At this point, the President of the United States was not informed of the engagement order ? it did not originate from him, and for several hours after the order had been given and the special ops forces were preparing for action into Pakistan from their position in Afghanistan, Daley successfully kept Obama and Jarrett insulated from that order.
This insulation ended at some point with an abort order that I believe originated from Valerie Jarrett's office, and was then followed up by President Obama. This abort order was later explained as a delay due to weather conditions, but the actual conditions at that time would have been acceptable for the mission. A storm system had been in the area earlier, but was no longer an issue. Check the data yourself to confirm. Jarrett, having been caught off guard, was now scrambling to determine who had initiated the plan. She was furious, repeating the acronym "CoC" and saying it was not being followed. This is where Bill Daley intervened directly. The particulars of that intervention are not clear to me beyond knowing he did meet with Jarrett in his office and following that meeting, Valerie Jarrett was not seen in the West Wing for some time, and apparently no longer offered up any resistance to the Osama Bin Laden mission. What did follow from there was one or more brief meetings between Bill Daley, Hillary Clinton, a representative from Robert Gates' office, a representative from Leon Panetta's office, and a representative from Jim Clapper's office. I have to assume that these meetings were in essence, detailing the move to proceed with the operation against the Osama Bin Laden compound. I have been told by more than one source that Leon Panetta was directing the operation with both his own CIA operatives, as well as direct contacts with military - both entities were reporting to Panetta only at this point, and not the President of the United States. There was not going to be another delay as had happened 24 hour earlier.. The operation was at this time effectively unknown to President Barack Obama or Valerie Jarrett and it remained that way until AFTER it had already been initiated. President Obama was literally pulled from a golf outing and escorted back to the White House to be informed of the mission.. Upon his arrival there was a briefing held which included Bill Daley, John Brennan, and a high ranking member of the military. When Obama emerged from the briefing, he was described as looking "very confused and uncertain." The president was then placed in the situation room where several of the players in this event had already been watching the operation unfold. Another interesting tidbit regarding this is that the Vice President was already "up to speed" on the operation. A source indicated they believe Hillary Clinton had personally made certain the Vice President was made aware of that day's events before the president was. The now famous photo released shows the particulars of that of that room and its occupants. What that photo does not communicate directly is that the military personnel present in that room during the operation unfolding, deferred to either Hillary Clinton or Robert Gates. The president's role was minimal, including their acknowledging of his presence in the room.
At the conclusion of the mission, after it had been repeatedly confirmed a success, President Obama was once again briefed behind closed doors. The only ones who went in that room besides the president were Bill Daley. John Brennan, and a third individual whose identity remains unknown to me. When leaving this briefing, the president came out of it ??much more confident. Much more certain of himself.? He was also carrying papers in his hand that quite possibly was the address to the nation given later that evening on the Bin Laden mission. The president did not have those papers with him prior to that briefing. The president then returned to the war room, where by this time, Leon Panetta had personally arrived and was receiving congratulations from all who were present.
In my initial communication to you of these events I described what unfolded as a temporary Coup initiated by high ranking intelligence and military officials. I stand by that term. These figures worked around the uncertainty of President Obama and the repeated resistance of Valerie Jarrett. If they had not been willing to do so, I am certain Osama Bin Laden would still be alive today. There will be no punishment to those who acted outside the authority of the president's office. The president cannot afford to admit such a fact. What will be most interesting from here is to now see what becomes of Valerie Jarrett. One source indicated she is threatening resignation. I find that unlikely given my strong belief she needs the protection afforded her by the Oval Office and its immense powers to delay and eventually terminate investigations back in Chicago, but we shall see.
http://socyberty.com/issues/white-h...panetta-issued-order-to-kill-osama-bin-laden/




GBA
 
Do the words credible and bias mean anything as far as news reporting? I'm not sure I would list Socyberty as a credible source, that I would use in a paper of any type. Take a look at some of the other stories they have recently written. They obviously are a right wing republican based site. They are as bad as the far left sites that I can give you a few of. I believe Faux would be a lot more credible. If you used their site as a resource for any mainstream publication or paper you would be laughed at. Not looking to pick a fight but this is really kind of a silly attempt to discredit Obama.
If you dislike Obama that much hit him on the economy, health care, lack of leadership in the overall composition of his presidency but this is very much a joke IMO.
 
Hard to say if this is true or not, but may explain Bill Clinton's refusal to attend the N.Y. ceremony with Obama after Bush also refused to share the spotlight.

RELH
 
LAST EDITED ON May-11-11 AT 03:40PM (MST)[p]
If it is true then that would mean there are a couple of people who should be put on trial for treason. There is a signed order, issued with the President's signature that shows he approved this mission. To think the Leon Panetta, consumate statesman, loyal team player and DC insider, would risk his boss's political future, okay hostile military action on sovereign foreign soil and do it without a signed order from the CINC is not believeable.

Most of the planning could not even take place without approval from the President. There would be heads rolling all over, from Panetta, to Clinton, to Gates, to Patraeus etc. There is no way that the CINC, I don't care who is in office at the time, gets "overruled" on these issues. If he ordered this team of Panetta and Clinton et al to stand down and they did not, every one of the military people would be court martialed for disobeying a direct order. The civilians would be dismissed because a President cannot have cabinet member "overruling him".

This is not only not plausible, it is disgusting display of how stupid the political discourse has become and how stupid people with believe anything posted on the internet.

Nemont
 
Hmm seems a very unlikely sceneario. Almost like something out of an episode of "24". People trying to do a run around the end of the POTUS to try and undermine them, pretty good laugh.
WVBOWAK
 
>Dumbest post ever.


I wouldn't say dumbest, but it is about as appealing as a pile of hot garbage in the middle summer, in the desert.
WVBOWAK
 
LAST EDITED ON May-11-11 AT 11:34PM (MST)[p]I do not see certain persons involved going against Obama's orders for sake of job security and I feel that part is in error.

As for Obama being reluctant to issue the go ahead order. I can buy that based on previous slow coming decisions by him. Also any third grader would know it would seal his not being elected if it proved to be a big failure.

I also remember seeing a news article that came from military sources that stated that seal team six had erected a identical compound and practiced their assault of that compound for about 6 weeks. That means for those six weeks their was great speculation that they had located Bin Laden's lair.

six weeks is little longer then normal for most training on a special ops mission. Did it take that long to get everything together, or were they killing time waiting for the final go ahead?

If this was done without Obama's final "GO" order can be feasable as that has been done in covert ops in the past while awaiting the final go ahead signal from the CIC.

Obama making the final decision to go ahead for fear of it leaking out that he failed to act, is also very feasable for that would be his death nell on foreign policy where he has already been taking a beating with the American public.

We will probably get our answer 20 years from now when someone in the inner circle decides to write a book and tell all.

Another little tidbit for you on convert ops. When Ronald Regan was president. Certain advisors prevented the military from talking to him on certain ops they were planning and needed approval. The advisors felt that the ops were the kind that could backfire and kept it from his ears because they knew he would be prone to give the ok to kick some A$$ and damn the fallout. It appears that we do not have to fear that with this president.

RELH
 
It may be the dumbest post ever, but its one that RELH loves, Ron Reagan would have kicked some A$$, but they wouldn't let him, you gotta love it. Sorry RELH but your California cowboy hero Reagan doesn't quite measure up to Obama, even when considering he got Noriega and bombed Grenada. After all, Obama said he was going to do exactly what he did.
 
RELH if yopu think a CIC who needs to be kept in the dark because he's too stupid to make the right call is a good thing I can see why you dislike Obama so much.

Obama got bin Laden where Bush failed for 7 1/2 years and you can't deal wuth it, that will be driven home once again on the 10th anv this September. I hope you can handle it by then, better keep your tv off and your radio tuned on Rush that week.
 
Piper and Dude are dreaming again. I have said this before and will say it again. By the time the election comes around, getting Bin Laden will be old news and not have that much effect on getting Obama re-elected.

If the economy still sucks, as it appears it will, that will be the ticket for getting elected. Obama made too many promises last time that he could not or would not keep and the American public will have a hard time giving him a second chance.

I am glad that Bin Laden was knocked off, but giving all the credit to Obama is going to far. I do belive he should get some credit for his decision to green light the mission, but I do feel he had a tough time in making that decision as he has in other things.

All the GOP has to do is get a candidate that will hammer Obama on his failures here at home and be convincing that Obama is not the answer and Obama is down the tubes as a one termer.

Obama as a lame duck president scares me more then it does Dude as he will push his socialist agenda down our throats and not care if it banrupts this country. That is what Piper, our inhouse socialist is hoping for so he can get his free medical coverage since he was too stupid to plan for his own future and wants us to bail him out.

RELH
 
As long as we make sure nobody remembers who the CIC who signed the order to take out bin Laden was you'll be happy.

This isn't about being reelected it's about getting bin Laden. can't you get past the fact Obama was elected long enough to even recognize it's a good thing terorist #1 is dead?

Obama has plenty of places he's open to attack, this isn't one. if you goobs could take the hate glases off for 5 seconds you'd see that. whenever you have to fake up crap like this article to make you feel better it's a sign of how desparate and self loathing you are.
 
Dude and Piper, I forgot to mention the reason why I threw that little tidbit in concerning Regan and his advisors.

It was not to show that he was a cowboy, but to show the power and influence that a advisor or key cabinet member can have on the decisions made by any president. One of the big mistakes that I felt Bush made was when he selected Chaney as VP and Rumsfeld as head of the defense Dept.

That went right over the heads of both of you since you have problems seeing past your nose or pocketbook. Why don't you take the time to research the many appointments as advisors or key cabinet posts that Obama has appointed and see what their background and experience is for qualifications to that posting.

You might just get a bigger picture on what drives Obama and his plans for this country. Then again maybe both of you really do not care what path this country is taking under Obama.

Obama made one good decision concerning taking out Bin Laden. Does that balance out with all his other bad decisions? I do not think so, and I think the majority of the American public will think the same thing next election time.

RELH
 
>Dumbest post ever.

Not even close. Have you ever done a history search of your postings HDude/440fudgepack? It reads like a third grade drop out wrote most of them. Get back and hit the whiskey bottle Dude.......lol




"I'll admit it, that's hella funny! Good to see you around 202, I wish you would return on a regular basis there's a lot of bruised low lying fruit on here lately. You should be on here on a regular basis especially since it was your political carpet bombing at the campfire that inspired this forum!"
Thank you Forthewall
 
While it's no secret that our president isn't the most decisive dude that's ever graced the oval office, I call BS on this story. There really was little to lose on the Bin Laden raid because even if we went in there and he wasn't there, they could have simply said that it was a raid on a known terrorist safehouse and what would have been the fallout? Pakistan won't do a thing because they like money too much so there really wasn't much of a downside to this mission.

Sounds like just another conspiracy theory to me. What's next? Bin Laden really isn't dead? Oh wait, that one is already floating around too!








Piper, how's your period?

Zigga, don't forget the knee pads!

440Sixpack wants to measure your boners!
 
I see they let you have your computer privileges back, how's the rehab going? that crack must be bad stuff huh?
 
Did it really matter? the first hours after Bin Laden was killed probably didn't focus on FOX news and what their spin would be.

Maybe, might have, didn't. so what, I don't think a week to find out if Bush could claim all the credit or not was a national priority. now you know, just like the birthers found it's a real drag being a ding bat these days it seems.
 

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