Trumps Tax Cuts explained

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LAST EDITED ON Dec-23-17 AT 04:53PM (MST)[p]Here's an article that explains the Trump tax cut plan and why they did some of the things they did. Bear in mind that we've been in bad shape in the past in our economy and managed to right the ship.

Is this a gamble YES but it's a gamble based on the strength of our industry's and our most important resource the American people. It also bets on the fact that if we all work together we can lift our economy by increasing our GDP which will increase revenues for business and taxes combined. Increased revenues means more money for better wages, more jobs and more security for your family.

This country has endured some difficult times as a nation but when the chips were down all of us as americans managed to turn it around. Times were far worse during the great depression, after two world wars and the housing crash.

America has always been at it's best when it controlled it's own fate. Thankfully we have an administration that has seen the light and has put our welfare ahead of ideology. Things aren't as bad as the doom and gloom dems are saying and the article will tell you why.

here's the article

http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...-prospects-improve-trump-and-gop-tax-cut-bill
 
Why is this a time for debt raising tax cuts ? please explain what makes the economy suck so phuking bad this had to be done at this very moment. be specific.


I am willing to bet the dems gain seats in the midterms and Trump is not reelected in 2020 . and I'm willing to bet RIGHT NOW. you say it's all great, prove you mean it.

















Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
They won't gain in the Senate, they may gain a few in the house in 2018.


#livelikezac
 
We shall see, but they will gain.


2020 is the republican's turn to have the most seats up. that will be a bloodbath , and the whitehouse will go dem for sure. full control ? likely.


Now about that carried interest promise. is the repeal of that loophole next to the great insurance for everyone and the check from Mexico ? look under your cushion.








Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
Dude 2020 will only be a blood bath if the GOP fails to deliver more good bills. They have started the ball rolling with this tax bill and your Dems are crapping in their pants about what Trump and GOP may do next. Right now the GOP Congressmen has figured they better get behind Trump and generate some good bills in order to keep their seats and gain more of a majority in 2018 and 2020.

RELH
 
Nancy and Chuckie swore to the dreamers they would pass a bill protecting them before the end of the year. Tick toc, tick toc. Think they will roll over for the democrats if their relatives get kicked out?
 
So the democrats will pay for what the republican president and republican majority do ? you're starting to sound like RELH.


The tax bill is the most unpopular legislation in years, Trump is the most unpopular president in history, the republican congress is as unpopular as any in history, and Mueller is getting more indictments ready as we speak.

All the democrats need is for you to keep doing what you're doing and they will murder you. don't change a thing.











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He's not a king, he's a president.

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#livelikezac
 
DUMDUM Why was the tax bill so unpopular could it have been it was presented wrong by the media? Given that a large percentage of your base doesn't work and like you are low information voters can you comprehend how that may correlate.

So since the media lied to the public do you think it influenced the polls? See how the media is losing the public's trust. The low income folks that work getting more money in their pocket isn't going to cause them to want to support the dems is it. Which party lied to them?

here's a little eye opener for the folks at CBS who clearly didn't support the bill and they were educated and clearly knew otherwise. Notice how they try to spin the negative on the post card filing form. They lied for weeks about the bill.

 
LOL what's wrong liberal talking points not working for you again.......did they get the tax bill approved? If the answer to that is yes...... you already lost.....again.......HMMMM
 
You absolutely will not put money where your oversized mouth is will you?

You assume the tax bill was a win. the dems thought the same thing about Obamacare and how did that work out ?









Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
Dude you still do not see the writing on the wall, or you just do not want to admit it. I have said in the past that the average voter will vote their wallet every time.
That CBS link showed three examples of persons with incomes from 40K to 150K and over 300K. CBS also picked states that are or lean blue where the press said the tax bill was least likely to save them money.
Well everyone of them will save money this coming tax time. 1300 bucks to that single working mother will make her very happy when her tax check comes in. That couple in CA. saving 13K will probably be voting Republican next election.

RELH
 
You Californians going to pay your taxes while you can still deduct them?

Or will the 10k cap cover the taxes on your single wide's ?


My county can't tell me what my taxes will be for 2018 so I'm cutting them a check for what they were last year. do whatever you can before you get phuked next year.










Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
You are a true moron. Do some more reading on Yahoo and MSN, it seems to be working wonderfully for you so far.

I just ordered $4.5m in inventory for the first two quarters of next year. My customers are planning to completely flip their fleets to new units next year. This doesnt just equate to sales, its me hiring more techs, selling more parts and service. Pay will increase and we are already out of workers to fill jobs here. We havent even started next year yet.

It would absolutely suck to be as miserable as you are. Things are looking up in my part of the world and it appears the rest of our footprint is sure to follow.

Cheer up peckerhead...we could still have Obama!
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-28-17 AT 09:41AM (MST)[p]WTF does that have to do with SALT deductions dumchit? in your state they don't amount to chit but in many they're " yuge " . and who said it was going to shut the economy down ? lay off the crack and listen. some of us are getting a tax hike, if you're not you should thank us for the subsidy not make an idiot of yourself.

Cutting tax rates and eliminating state tax deductions actually discourages capital investment. if stimulating the economy had actually been the goal an increase in capital investment incentives would have been in order not the reverse. this was a pocket liner plan for the rich.


You are right about one thing, the biggest roadblock to the economy for several years has been the lack of workers. and profits have still been record high for years as well. so why add to the debt with this bill at this time ? do things really suck that bad ? do tell


Cheer up dipchit, Trump will be gone in 3 years or less.













Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
You are too engulfed in proving yourself right that you dont see the whole picture. Typical, you would rather ##### than see the good.
 
The good for who?

the tax cuts will cost me money. hooray!!!

The tax cuts MIGHT make stock prices rise longer and faster than otherwise. which could make me another six figures in 2018. that is good. though the excitement seems to have already been priced in judging for this week's market non rally.

If that happens my gains will be added to the next generation's national debt. Hooray !!! . I'll enjoy counting my cash but to be honest I don't need it. neither do the Koch Brothers or Bill Gates and they win bigger than any of us.

So again , for the good of who?

Lil' Marco has a hard time keeping a lie to himself. that's not good before the scam even starts.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/marco-rubio-tax-bill-probably-223145071.html











Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
RE: MAGA

Dude we do not have to go back prior to WW11 for tax cuts. Go back to President John F. Kennedy who also proposed tax cuts including cuts on the taxes paid by companies in order to generate more investments into new job openings.
Guess who fought him on that tax measure, his own Democrat party.

RELH
 
RE: MAGA

LAST EDITED ON Jan-02-18 AT 08:34AM (MST)[p]Ochoked just keeps getting tied up in his knickers.....NY did exactly what Trump did with the corporate rates to as an incentive to have business relocate to their state. We even made fun of him for not knowing it was a standard GOP practice. Then Trump does it and it's 100% dead wrong, yet has been shown to work in the past with other administrations in both parties.

Not a student of history are you Ochoked?..... that's why we can always depend on you to be the one guy on every thread to make a fool out of himself. What's even better is he's not smart enough to realize the liberal propaganda is written to deceive again and again...... get the picture yet?......probably not.........see a pattern here?
 
RE: MAGA

LAST EDITED ON Jan-02-18 AT 09:46AM (MST)[p]So during the 40's, 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's and up to today this nation sucked azz and had a chitty economy. we need to go back to the tax structure of the great depression to MAGA. is that your argument ?


I just don't think I can jam my head up my azz far enough to agree with you.









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What was the top marginal rate cut by JFK?

Do tax cuts pay for themselves?

what happens when the bill comes due?

If tax cuts always lead to increased revenue then how come revenues decreased in 2002, 2003 and 2004 after the 2001 Bush tax cuts?
FY 2001 - $1.99 trilion
FY 2002 - $1.85 trillion.
FY 2003 - $1.72 trillion.
FY 2004 - $1.88 trillion.

This added a couple of trillion to our debt over those years.

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The government's annual income will pay for 89 percent of spending, creating a $440 billion deficit. Shouldn't Congress only spend what it earns, just like you and me? It depends. Deficit spending boosts economic growth in a recession. That's when the government steps in to create jobs with stimulus spending.

Once the recession is over, the government should live within its means and spend less. It should raise taxes and cut spending. That will keep the economy from overheating and forming dangerous bubbles. Find out how this works in Types of Fiscal Policy.

https://www.thebalance.com/current-u-s-federal-government-tax-revenue-3305762
 
RE: MAGA

LAST EDITED ON Jan-02-18 AT 02:32PM (MST)[p]Still working hard on misdirection aren't you. Why is it both parties won't fix the problem? Here's a hint... figure that out and the rest of your argument may have a smidgen of a chance. Until then you're blowing sunshine no matter what posture you take. You're all in whether you like it or not and the guy you love to hate is the only one that's had the balls to try to fix it.....
 
RE: MAGA

because both are two sides of the same coin and don't want to have any political courage to do the right thing. It isn't tough to figure out.

Please spell out what Trump has tried to fix in regards to our massive debt, annual $500 Billion deficit and the future of your grand children? It isn't rocket science to spend more money by borrowing it, my kids wanted to spend more then they made when they were growing up and thought I should pay the difference. Being an adult means saying "no". What Trump did was just say "yes" we will spend more today and borrow it from your children. Ray Charles could see his way clear to make that deal, no need for the best deal maker since Noah put T-Rex's on the Ark.

Nemont
 
RE: MAGA

LAST EDITED ON Jan-02-18 AT 04:21PM (MST)[p]Trump will end up making you look like a Chump but you really don't care about the future of the country do you?

You can't explain the obvious because the truth is that Trump sucks, he was duly elected but that doesn't keep him from sucking you just can't admit it.

Nemont
 
RE: MAGA

Bosgeek is one of those who gets up each morning and expects to see FOX news tell him the check from Mexico showed up to pay for the wall.

You can't reason with that sort of stupid.








Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
RE: MAGA

I don't have to watch any news to be able to understand that which keeps baffling you two morons. You two cry more than any two women on the bun..... come to think of it maybe that's your issue ...... men....O.....pause.....LOL

so could it be you both got the anchovy?????? You sure have the emotional instability that supports it! Does Bruce Jenner have a couple of new pen pals? It's OK you both could come out on Monster Muleys. All of us clutching our guns and bibles would understand......but don't expect us to condone it....
 
RE: MAGA

You are a complete and total phony. Just because you can't make an intelligent defense of Trump you turn it around on anyone who calls you what you are, a liar.

Sounds like you are the lacking a set of balls.

Nemont
 
RE: MAGA

It wasn't me who lied to the forum about the tax cuts that was you and your liberal little buddy! It wasn't me that said only the government can suppress free speech it was you. You're the phoney but you just can't fathom the fact you could be wrong....well guess what you've been outed for the lying POS that you are and it didn't take a bet to do it...... Now go reflect on that....... You made your bed go lie in it.....pun intended.
 
RE: MAGA

LAST EDITED ON Jan-02-18 AT 08:45PM (MST)[p]It was you who claims we need higher debt, it is you who gives a Phuk about future Americans. It is you that cheer leads bad policy


It is only illegal for government to suppress free speech. Your employer can do it, your spouse can do it and a free press doesn't have to let you have the mega phone. The 1st amendment only applies to keeping our government from suppressing free speech.

I have been wrong before, will be wrong again. Trump will be remembered for setting back the conservative movement by 50 years.

Nemont
 
RE: MAGA

I have been wrong before, will be wrong again. Trump will be remembered for setting back the conservative movement by 50 years.

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How do you justify that statement. He has by most accounts succeeded in pushing the conservative agenda on several fronts over that lame D#ck liberal we had for our last president. To stop and change the liberal movement will require numerous small steps over time. There is no way you can get it done in one quick step as too many will resist that big leap forward.
It will be the same program that the liberals used to gain the foothold they have today. Did not happen overnight, took many years for them to do it.

RELH
 
RE: MAGA

Because he is not a conservative and never has been a conservative. His primary advisers are upper west side liberal. Kushner, Ivanka, Cohn, etc, etc.

Wait and see what he is willing to deal away with a 1 vote majority in the Senate and Chuck & Nancy come calling to make a deal.

Nemont
 
RE: MAGA

The conservative agenda ? WTF ever. you mean the alt-right agenda . and he hasn't even been very successful at that.


The fact none of you think Trump will be reelected proves how little faith you have in him. you're just puffing your panties because you know your time is very limited.

This tax bill is not a win for the nation but for a select population it's as close to being a pirate as you could ever come.


https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/6-things-well-regret-trump-tax-cuts-211814872.html












Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
RE: MAGA

You two clowns are just about as ignorant as they come. The real issue is you lack the intelligence to see the big picture.

It's time for both of you morons to extract your heads from your anal cavity. Keeping Americans working is the best possible solution to the on going issues we face. You keep falling into the trap don't you and both of you think you're smart. Let's see if we have fewer people working how do you pay for anything let alone reduce the deficit? Now if you have fewer people working and create hardship for more families what happens..... SOCIAL UNREST.....more chaos.

When you have the leaders of the democratic party taking pictures with the antifa manual saying this is what Trump fears......it's time to wake the ##### up.....

I'd say your main issue is both of you can't see the forest thru the trees.

Let's reflect on a few things:

1) Did the dems try to rig the elective process?

2) Are the dems opposed to voter ID laws?

3) Why is it Obama told the illegals to vote in the last election?

4) Why is it they're setting up sanctuary cities to disregard the laws?

5)Why is it they don't want immigration restrictions?

6) Why is it they condemned the police during obama's term?

7)Why is it they keep fighting so hard to keep funding social programs disregarding the debt?

8)Why is it every city they've controlled in this country for decades a bastion for crime and racial hatred and murder?

9) Why is it they promote abortions yet oppose the death penalty for murders? Which one kills more individuals? Which one poses a bigger threat to society?

10) Which party sold Uranium to an enemy of the United States?

11) Which parties officials received money from Russia to bribe them to allow the sale?

12) Which President got caught telling the Russians he'd do more in his next term and allowed the sale?

13)Which President claimed to take in the more tax revenues than any administration in history and increased our debt more than any president in History?

14) Since the democratic leadership are members of the socialist party where do you think they want to take us?

15) Why is it we saw more unrest and rioting in the streets, racial division, during Obama's terms in office than any administration since the 60's.

16) Why did the stature of the US diminish so much under Obama?

17) Could it be Obama and Clinton had a plan to lead this nation in another direction than that of the founding fathers?

18) Why was freedom of speech under attack during Obama's term.

So you think the rising deficit, attempt to rig our elections, erosion of our values and the promotion of identity politics, racial hatred, riots in our streets, and unborn genocide, and unlimited immigration was merely coincidental....... and not designed to create stress on our country. Now who's being ignorant.

Trumps the only option you've got currently and while he isn't perfect he's trying to restore the letter of law in this country and help the majority of common men by the only means available under our current economic climate. So you two clowns keep attacking his values and can't comprehend his intent.......but disregard that which was done previously to possibly take your nation down on multiple fronts.

MY MY it would appear your lack of wisdom is about as apparent as your myopia, to the real issues confronting our nation. LOL
 
RE: MAGA

LAST EDITED ON Jan-04-18 AT 10:34AM (MST)[p]I would take you more serious if you had posted any facts and not just opinions based on what Sean Hannity ranted about.

We are stuck with Trump, so are you and in the end it is going to end very badly for guys who hold him to no standard. You are giving away any right to complain when the next guy is from the other side but uses Trump's tactics. Like I have said from the beginning, anything you are willing to let your guy get away with is going to be used against you in the future.

Keep cheering and slurping because it is the only thing that keeps Trump getting up in the morning: Playing court jester and clown in order to hear his supporters cheer.

The thing you and Trump have proven is that neither give a shyt about the future generations and the burden you are willing to saddle them with. Obama and Hillary didn't either and you are just like them as well.

Nemont
 
RE: MAGA

The thing you and Trump have proven is that neither give a shyt about the future generations and the burden you are willing to saddle them with. Obama and Hillary didn't either and you are just like them as well.

Nemont
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You are off base Nemont. We were given a choice between Hillary and Trump and most of us took the lessor evil because that was the only real choice we had.
I would love to see restraints on our government spending, but it will not happen with both the Democrats and Republicans we have in office for fear of being voted out. when it comes to spending and taxes the Democrats are far worse then most republicans and will not give up their chance to spend big bucks for the poor and welfare and their own salary.
Like I said before, we can not change our government ways of spending in one big leap. Will have to be done in small steps to prevent chaos in the cities.
You telling us that we do not give a shyt shows just how much of a bias ego you have. Then again many of us feel that you are stupid and part of the problem by throwing your vote to a politician that does not have one chance in Hades of ever winning. Then sit back and whine like a cat that got his tail stepped on.
RELH
 
RE: MAGA

LAST EDITED ON Jan-04-18 AT 04:12PM (MST)[p]

If you want a medal for choosing the lessor of two evils the only thing you will get is a trip to Hades.

If you "want" to see restraint in spending but the say "it will not happen" but keep voting for one party over the other, then you are the stupid one who is actually voting to keep the status quo.

You don't really want change in the way the government spends and borrows you just want an R to do so you can say, "At least I voted for the lesser of two evils". I guess if having your guy borrowing and spending the money makes you feel like you are doing your part then that is fine. It also means you don't truly care enough to demand any standard from the party you vote for. Keep voting for an R and watch as they spend just like Democrats but hey at least they want to make the revenue meet the expense, that is what your grand children are for, easier to put them in debt prison then to take slightly less now.

So pretend like you care and keep voting and getting the same results. That is the definition of insane, but that is hardly a surprise given you are proud of Trump and what he is going to do. Hope you will be willing to own up to when the chickens come home to roost.

Nemont
 
RE: MAGA

Nemont you need to get away from that cushy desk and live several years in CA. and watch what the Dems have done to this state. After two or three years you will be voting Republican or bail out as many has done.
When those Dems get control of your state, your tune will change very quick after they tax the crap out of you and you can not see anything worthwhile the money was spent on. They are coming to your state and your problem will be the fact that many of them are liberal like FTW and moved away after ruining this state by voting for Democrats that turned around and taxed them out of living here.

RELH
 
RE: MAGA

So if you vote Republican in California and lose every state wide election you are just throwing your vote away on a candidate who cannot possibly win. Remember your standard is voting only for winning candidates is what voting means. Since you pick losers you cannot gripe about the outcome.

Your votes have produce such enemies of guns as Boxer, Harris and Feinstein. You wasted every vote on losers and gave us these clowns. So explain why voting for the lesser of two evils is a virtue in your eyes.


Who was the last Republican Senator from California? Pete Wilson?

Nemont
 
RE: MAGA

Nemont I live in Northern CA. The state reps I vote for are republican and they are in office representing the district I live in. The only problem is that the Dems from Southern CA. and the coast area out number them.
As for Senator in Congress, I also vote Republican, but the voters in San Francisco out number us and vote Democrat. Unlike you I do not throw my vote away by voting for a third party candidate that has no chance of winning.

RELH
 
RE: MAGA

So if a Republican has not been elected since 1993 and you are always out voted, how does voting for a Republican you know won't win make you so high and mighty vs me voting my conscience. Of the two ideas, which holds closest to the vision our Founder's had for our Republic of one man, one vote?

Your Republican senate candidate probably had the same odds of winning as my write in. Yet you are superior because you voted for a candidate you knew would lose? That is some magical thinking.

Quote:

-In selecting men for office, let principle be your guide. Regard not the particular sect or denomination of the candidate-look to his character.

Noah Webster


-The spirit of party opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which finds a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions.

George Washington


When a citizen gives his suffrage to a man of known immorality he abuses his trust; he sacrifices not only his own interest, but that of his neighbor; he betrays the interest of his country.

Noah Webster


Let me ... warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party.

George Washington


The Founders don't buy your lesser of two evils argument as the basis for our Great Republic to flourish. In fact your voting for party isn't anything to crow about.

Nemont
 
RE: MAGA

LAST EDITED ON Jan-05-18 AT 01:12PM (MST)[p]I vote Republican candidate on the hope that enough voters will finally get fed up with the high taxes and other bullcrap the Dems are pulling and switch their votes to replace that Democrat in office. I have a better chance at that then you do by voting for a third party that will be lucky to get 10% of the total votes.
I will again state that in the past when I did not like the Republican candidate and his position on policy, I have voted for a Democrat Governor that was closer to my priorities then the Republican was. So don't give me that "party voting crap" twist you are implying.
During the past 14 years all of the Democrat politicians I could vote for were so far left progressive liberals that I could not ever vote for them. So get off your egotistic high horse and come back down to earth.

RELH
 
RE: MAGA

LAST EDITED ON Jan-05-18 AT 05:26PM (MST)[p]No nemont I am not a liar with no standards. What I am is not a know it all with a head bigger then my butt as you have proven to be.

RELH

Cabuck, Nemont will poo pooh that link as being B.S. because it goes against every thing he has been saying is the gospel truth. Egotistical know it all can not tolerate different opinions
 
RE: MAGA

ReLH,

Sure you are a liar and a fake.

We will see is suspect I will be correct that Trump will do for the GOP what Obama did for the dems. Decimate the party.

Americans don't like extremes on either side.


Nemont
 
RE: MAGA

So, are your taxes in CA going to go down thanks Trump or not ? and does the debt matter to you?


we've herd the spin . now tell us what you think.













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