United States under the boot?

[Bugler]

Army times Tuesday Sep 30th. Beginning Oct 12 th the 1st BCT brigade of the US Army will be under the control of US Army north northern Command as an on call federal responce force fopr natural and man made disasters and civil unrest. They are being deployed to assist local and federal law enforcement agencies (civil )authorities.
"The brigade may be called upon to to help with civil unrest and crowd control." They will be known as consequence management response force or CCMRE"
One of Americas most sacred principles has alwasy been tah the military was never intended to be used as a domestic police force. Standing armies in our own country and the fear of ran very deep in the hearts of our forefathers.
Posse commitatus was enacted after the civil war which prohibits the military from exercising state law enforcement or peace officer duties. Only and unless expressly authorized by congress the National Guard can partake in assistance with law enforcement duties.
This act was passed in 1878. But now the Govt has effectively wiped out this act and made it possible for our military to act as policemen in our own country.
This is real and not something I have made up. I was reading it this morning at the small cafe where I live, over a cup of Coffee and great biscuits and gravy.
If thsi doesn't raise anyones eyebrows I don't know what will. Seems to me everything is kinda movin to the center in our Govt where it can all meet up.
Any political science majors or history profs want to respond to this?
What is going to happen to our way of life? What price will we have to pay at last? What I ask you are you willing to do to ensure our liberties remain what they are supposed to be. I ask these questions of any American looking and I also ask it of Mr. President elect.
I am begiining to be very disgusted with our Govt.
Bugler, Preparation is key to victory.

 

[ktg]

Perhaps they are planning something that they expect to cause a lot of upset people. Wouldn't surprise me.

 

[ClorideRUS]

Obviously you ain't old enough to remember Kent State, Ohio .. dip sh!t!

RUS

 

[Bullelk1]

Rus, you are the dip on this one. Kent State involved national guard units called into action by the Governor of Ohio. This article is discussing the regular army being called into a police role. Better get your facts straight before you start with the name calling.

 

[Forthewall]

Such subversive rhetoric, questioning our Commander-n-Chief in a time of war tisk tisk. I'd be careful of what you are trying to imply Bugler or perhaps you might be labeled an enemy combatant and detained without Habeas Corpus.

Bush already took control of the National Guard away from the Governors so why does action surprise you?

Like Bush said about the Constitution, "It's just a god daxn piece of paper." or Alberto Gonzales, "It's an outdated document."

As for your 2A rights, well those have been gone for a very long time. Our federalized armed forces ensures that superior weaponry is banned for public sale. Bye bye 2A, no matter how many guns I own, it will be no match for an Apache Helicopter or C-130 Gunship. So much for the good intentions of the founding fathers or Presidential Oaths to protect the Constitution.

Let us hope our all volunteer Armed Forces would refuse any orders to quell or police civil unrest between now and the 20th of January. You've made your feelings known about Obama, but just remember which administration and party these excursions from the Constitution have taken place under.

 

[gleninaz]

I don't remember the republicans ever taking away second amendment rights before. Must have missed that one. I did see where Obama and Biden are pushing to take as many guns and as much ammo as possible. Maybe both parties have conspired to drive oil up then crash the economy so they could take over banking and manufacturing in order to control the population. I don't know but one thing and that is without weapons the next revolutionary war will be sort of lopsided. I do believe we will see some sort of taxpayer revolt or a civil war between constitutionalists and socialists in our time.

 

[huntindude]

Where did you see Obama and Biden are driving a push for guns and ammo? on the NRA emergency donation form? give me a break Obama hasn't even picked his administration yet but he's got gun control handled, whatever.

Why do you figure there is another revolution coming? maybe someday there will be but if that happens it won't end like it did before, in this day in age we won't have the luxury of setting up our own form of government agian. Putin would love to send in a peace keeping force after we soften ourselves up, it's in our best interest to work together anyone who thinks otherwise is ignorant.

By the way given the facts of the last 8 years who are the socialist anyway?

 

[gleninaz]

I don't give money to the NRA. I also agree that the last administration spent way too much money and did not use the veto power as it was intended to eliminate major pork programs. Both Biden and Obama have clear records in support of gun control and if you read anything on the subject you would realize that the new Brady bill is going to be introduced along with ammunition identification programs. We do need to work together but to say the democrats will be more responsible with tax dollars is a joke. Schumer is already proposing doubling the total bailout expense for economic and social programs. I will give Obama credit for coming out with a more reasoned approach by his recent shift on taxes. He is saying now that the Bush tax cuts for those nasty rich people may have to stay for a while. I just have no idea how they will pay for the wild spending designed to save the economy with so much of the middle class disappearing so fast. We are learning hard lessons right now. Trickle down economics definitely works now that nothing is trickling anymore and politicians will promise anything to get elected. Desperate people do desperate things. The few cannot support the many so something will eventually break.

 

[gleninaz]

A little bill introduced by the democrats in AZ as well as in the Congress of the U.S.

arizona bill info
http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/48leg/2r/bills/hb2833p.pdf
(TEXT OF BILL BEGINS ON NEXT PAGE)
HB 2833
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Be it enacted by the Legislature of the State of Arizona:
Section 1. Title 41, chapter 12, article 5, Arizona Revised Statutes,
is amended by adding section 41-1772, to read:
41-1772. Ammunition coding system database; sale of ammunition;
tax; fund; civil penalty; violation; classification;
definition
A. BEGINNING JANUARY 1, 2009, A MANUFACTURER SHALL CODE ALL HANDGUN
AND ASSAULT WEAPON AMMUNITION THAT IS MANUFACTURED OR SOLD IN THIS STATE.
THIS SECTION APPLIES TO ALL CALIBERS.
B. BEGINNING JANUARY 1, 2011, A PRIVATE CITIZEN OR A RETAIL VENDOR
SHALL DISPOSE OF ALL NONCODED AMMUNITION THAT IS OWNED OR HELD BY THE CITIZEN
OR VENDOR.
C. THE DEPARTMENT SHALL ESTABLISH AND MAINTAIN AN AMMUNITION CODING
SYSTEM DATABASE CONTAINING A MANUFACTURER REGISTRY AND A VENDOR REGISTRY.
D. A MANUFACTURER SHALL:
1. REGISTER WITH THE DEPARTMENT IN A MANNER PRESCRIBED BY THE
DEPARTMENT BY RULE.
2. MAINTAIN RECORDS ON THE BUSINESS PREMISES FOR AT LEAST SEVEN YEARS
CONCERNING ALL SALES, LOANS AND TRANSFERS OF AMMUNITION TO, FROM OR WITHIN
THIS STATE.
3. ENCODE AMMUNITION PROVIDED FOR RETAIL SALE FOR REGULATED FIREARMS
IN A MANNER THAT THE DIRECTOR ESTABLISHES SO THAT:
(a) THE BASE OF THE BULLET AND THE INSIDE OF THE CARTRIDGE CASING OF
EACH ROUND IN A BOX OF AMMUNITION ARE CODED WITH THE SAME SERIAL NUMBER.
(b) EACH SERIAL NUMBER IS ENGRAVED IN SUCH A MANNER THAT IT IS HIGHLY
LIKELY TO PERMIT IDENTIFICATION AFTER AMMUNITION DISCHARGE AND BULLET IMPACT.
(c) THE OUTSIDE OF EACH BOX OF AMMUNITION IS LABELED WITH THE NAME OF
THE MANUFACTURER AND THE SAME SERIAL NUMBER USED ON THE CARTRIDGE CASINGS AND
BASES OF BULLETS CONTAINED IN THE BOX.
4. PAY THE TAX LEVIED BY SUBSECTION I OF THIS SECTION.
E. A MANUFACTURER SHALL NOT LABEL AMMUNITION CONTAINED IN ONE
AMMUNITION BOX WITH THE SAME SERIAL NUMBER AS THE AMMUNITION CONTAINED IN
ANOTHER AMMUNITION BOX THAT IS PRODUCED BY THE SAME MANUFACTURER.
F. A VENDOR SHALL:
1. REGISTER WITH THE DEPARTMENT IN A MANNER PRESCRIBED BY THE
DEPARTMENT BY RULE.
2. RECORD THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION IN A FORMAT PRESCRIBED BY THE
DEPARTMENT:
(a) THE DATE OF THE TRANSACTION.
(b) THE NAME OF THE PURCHASER.
(c) THE PURCHASER'S DRIVER LICENSE NUMBER OR OTHER GOVERNMENT ISSUED
IDENTIFICATION CARD NUMBER.
(d) THE DATE OF BIRTH OF THE PURCHASER.
(e) THE UNIQUE IDENTIFIER OF ALL HANDGUN AMMUNITION OR BULLETS
TRANSFERRED.
HB 2833

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(f) ALL OTHER INFORMATION PRESCRIBED BY THE DEPARTMENT.
3. MAINTAIN RECORDS ON THE BUSINESS PREMISES FOR AT LEAST THREE YEARS
AFTER THE DATE OF THE RECORDED PURCHASE.
G. THE DEPARTMENT SHALL ESTABLISH THE AMMUNITION CODING SYSTEM
DATABASE WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK OF ANY EXISTING FIREARMS DATABASES.
H. ACCESS TO INFORMATION IN THE AMMUNITION CODING SYSTEM DATABASE IS
RESERVED FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT PERSONNEL. THE DEPARTMENT SHALL ONLY RELEASE
INFORMATION IN CONNECTION WITH A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION.
I. A TAX OF ONE-HALF CENT IS LEVIED ON EACH BULLET OR ROUND OF
AMMUNITION THAT IS SOLD IN THIS STATE. THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE SHALL
COLLECT THE TAX AND DEPOSIT THE TAX, PURSUANT TO SECTIONS 35-146 AND 35-147,
IN THE CODED AMMUNITION FUND ESTABLISHED BY SUBSECTION J OF THIS SECTION.
J. THE CODED AMMUNITION FUND IS ESTABLISHED CONSISTING OF MONIES
DEPOSITED PURSUANT TO SUBSECTION I OF THIS SECTION. THE DEPARTMENT SHALL
ADMINISTER THE FUND. SUBJECT TO LEGISLATIVE APPROPRIATION, MONIES IN THE
FUND SHALL BE USED FOR THE PURPOSE OF ESTABLISHING AND MAINTAINING THE
AMMUNITION CODING SYSTEM DATABASE PRESCRIBED BY THIS SECTION.
K. A MANUFACTURER THAT FAILS TO COMPLY WITH THIS SECTION IS SUBJECT TO
A CIVIL PENALTY OF NOT MORE THAN ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR THE FIRST
VIOLATION, NOT MORE THAN FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR A SECOND VIOLATION AND NOT
MORE THAN TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR ANY SUBSEQUENT VIOLATION.
L. A VENDOR WHO KNOWINGLY FAILS TO COMPLY WITH THIS SECTION OR WHO
KNOWINGLY FALSIFIES THE RECORDS REQUIRED TO BE KEPT BY THIS SECTION IS GUILTY
OF A CLASS 3 MISDEMEANOR.
M. A PERSON WHO KNOWINGLY DESTROYS, OBLITERATES OR OTHERWISE RENDERS
UNREADABLE THE CODING REQUIRED BY THIS SECTION IS GUILTY OF A CLASS 3
MISDEMEANOR.
N. FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS SECTION, "CODE OR CODED" MEANS A UNIQUE
IDENTIFIER THAT HAS BEEN APPLIED BY ETCHING ONTO THE BASE OF A BULLET OR
AMMUNITION PROJECTILE.
Sec. 2. Requirements for enactment; two-thirds vote
Pursuant to article IX, section 22, Constitution of Arizona, this act
is effective only on the affirmative vote of at least two-thirds of the
members of each house of the legislature and is effective immediately on the
signature of the governor or, if the governor vetoes this act, on the
subsequent affirmative vote of at least three-fourths of the members of each
house of the legislature.

Kind of goes along with the control of certain rifles and all handguns doesn't it? Maybe I am wrong and Obama will vetoe such legislation.

 

[Bugler]

Chloride I assume with your post you were attempting some sort of insult against my fragile sensibilties. Listen I could care less what you or any of your whining ass liberal sisters think.
As someone has correctly ascertained the Kent State riot involved the National Guard not the regular Army. The National guard is commanded by the Governor of their state unless called to active duty then to serve under the President. So before you let your little mind wander and resort to calling folks names I suggest you quit sipping your 40 of old english get off the couch and get a life, besides that I get insults fired at me more than most people so it kinda bounces off.
You mustve been one of the students at Kent State? Or are from the people republic of California am I close? Just curious.
The thing I posted was directly from the Army times, Of which I am a subscription holder, because I did serve. Anyways enough of that.
The only reason I posted it was to point something out to some more people that maybe can start adding things up.
As far as being labeled an enemy combatant, Well I guess taht would put me in the same boat as my founding fathers, A great group to be part of I would think.....Fine. Your safe Chloride from that label for the time being. LOL
Bugler

 

[Bugler]

Oh I forgot, Now I am not a lawyer just your friendly highway patrolman but if I read it correctly it means that anyone that is reloading by 2011 will be doing so illegally?? Hmm makes one think or maybe not knowing some of the knuckle heads here.
What you say Chloride have anything to do with a Kent State conspiracy?
Bugler