What If...

[Broadside_Shot]

Not going to be able to word it exactly but just throwing out an idea.

What if the wording in the Utah Hunting Proclamations read:

No use of any instrument that requires the use of Alkaline, Lithium, Silver-Oxide, etc. types of batteries during any hunt in Utah.

Just looking at the small battery stuff that assist in the moment of truth, not car batteries or Atv's and such.

So you could still have a Variable Power Scope on a Muzzy, Slider Sight on a bow or a Turreted scope on a rifle but say no Laser Rangefinder, no Radios, no Onyx, no Flashlights, etc.

If a person is capable and has the skills to Judge 823 yards during a rifle hunt, 322 yards on a Muzzy hunt or 102 yards on an Archery Hunt then props to them for their ability.

Their is always going to be people find ways around the rules but I am just Spitballing here and wondering if this puts the "Hunt Back in Hunt."

 

[slamdunk]

Radios or any communication device will never be outlawed because those can save lives in emergency situations.

 

[Broadside_Shot]

Radios or any communication device will never be outlawed because those can save lives in emergency situations.

Good Point, Never even thought of that.

 

[diablo]

No flashlights/headlamps?…..

 

[Broadside_Shot]

No flashlights/headlamps?…..

Yeah, without batteries I was looking at a way to summarize everything with a simple rule. I figured people used to navigate without flashlights back in the day. Would no flashlights eliminate someone from going in to early or late? Would no Flashlights change a persons perspective on how long the stay in the field? Would no Flashlights effect a persons decision on harvesting an animal right at dark. I'm just trying to "Put the Hunt back in Hunting" is all. Again just Spitballing.

 

[HUNTINFORLIFE]

Radios or any communication device will never be outlawed because those can save lives in emergency situations.

except that are illegal in Alaska where it is probably far more dangerous then hunting in Utah.

 

[diablo]

I’m with you but I’d say the average hunter isn’t remotely interested in “putting the hunt back in hunting.” They are looking to put the meat in the freezer. In Utah anyway….

 

[Broadside_Shot]

I kind of compare the evolution of hunting similar to the evolution of baseball. I played baseball during the "Steroid" era when the baseball bats, baseballs, Mitts and Players just got better and better (Chicks Dig the Long Ball) and it eventually got to where anyone could hit a home run and the game as we knew it was changing. The Powers to be put limitations in place on bats, balls and supplements to keep the integrity of the game as they saw it.

So I continue to wonder if there can actually be beneficial changes in the hunting industry that may keep the integrity of hunting intact as we see it.

 

[eyeman]

I See what you are saying.
But how are people gonna make it back to the ride after packing something out after dark? I really need my headlight after I get lost.

 

[OutdoorWriter]

In many states, using radios for HUNTING purposes is illegal. I'm not positive if any state prohibits the complete use in the field, however.

 

[Broadside_Shot]

I See what you are saying.
But how are people gonna make it back to the ride after packing something out after dark? I really need my headlight after I get lost.

I get it. It's not necessarily an attack on flashlight's as I was looking for a simple rule to cover all scenario's to see if there was a way to regulate without having 500 pieces of meaningless rules that really don't make much of a difference.

Example: You can only use a wood bat in the major leagues rule. saves on the loopholes with certain type of metal bats and what is acceptable and what is not. No guessing on the rule and trying to justify that this metal bat is acceptable and this one isn't.

If you were to eliminate all battery operated gadgets would it take away the gray areas on what can be used and would it make hunting harder and lower success rates.

 

[diablo]

And unlike the pastimes generally referred to as “sports” like baseball and others, I don’t consider hunting and fishing sports. For me hunting is a hard-wired instinct. That being said, I’m all for putting the hunt back in hunting. I just don’t really see the comparison to bowling and basketball (or baseball).

Reminds me of the line from A River Runs Through It, - “If our father had had his say, nobody who did not know how to catch a fish would be allowed to disgrace a fish by catching it.” Which I believe applies to hunting as well.

 

[Broadside_Shot]

Remember it's not about whether or not Hunting is a Sport. I too don't look at hunting as a sport. I was curious if there was a broad rule that could govern similar to baseball when technology started to steal the integrity of the game/pursuit.

 

[diablo]

I understand the idea - but of course it would be ridiculous to ban any small battery powered instruments while hunting. No watches or phones or cameras? I don’t think this is achieving the stated goal.

 

[elkassassin]

Why TF Not ATV's?

 

[Broadside_Shot]

Why TF Not ATV's?

I am all for the ATV Ban. No Battery operated anything. Break out the Horses. No, but seriously I wanted to see if there could be a One Rule to Rule them All to Bring the "Hunt back in Hunting"

 

[Homer]

I’m with you but I’d say the average hunter isn’t remotely interested in “putting the hunt back in hunting.” They are looking to put the meat in the freezer. In Utah anyway….

lol...no they aren't....they are looking for IG pics...

 

[SS!]

Headlamps are unethical. Been hunting for over 30 years and can’t recall ever needing one.

I could get behind the no battery rule with the exception of cell phone. It gets lonely on the mountain at night and my spank bank is on my phone.

 

[elkantlers]

Why TF Not ATV's?

Because there are a bunch of people that like to just go for a ride in the mountains. They aren't hunting, just enjoying the hills.

 

[elkassassin]

Hey ea!

I Thought We Were Talking Hunting Rules & Laws During Seasons?

And Remember:

Seasons In TARDville Start JAN 1st of Every Year & End DEC 31st Every Year!

Because there are a bunch of people that like to just go for a ride in the mountains. They aren't hunting, just enjoying the hills.

 

[Bluehair]

Comrades, the State can just retain the rights to the images. The internet can go back to being about porn like the good ol days.

 

[mta5672]

I’m with you but I’d say the average hunter isn’t remotely interested in “putting the hunt back in hunting.” They are looking to put the meat in the freezer. In Utah anyway….

I think they are trying to put put the post up on Facebook and the insta back in gram...

 

[roadrunner]

I wanted to see if there could be a One Rule to Rule them All to Bring the "Hunt back in Hunting"

Or, people could quit wasting time getting worked up over this and do something more constructive.

Before you can range an animal, you still have to find them first. You want to bring a challenge back, you have to dig deeper than just electronics and all scopes have adjustable turrets. Depends on whether or not people can make the connection between yards and MOA...

 

[hossblur]

Honestly there is no blanket.

The reality is, containing rifles is extremely difficult, they are downstream from military.

A lot easier to control bows and muzzy.

In the end the phasing out of rifle seasons, or severely limiting them is really the only answer.

Limiting the let off and weight of bows, really limits them. Combine with no electronic sights. Not everyone is Cam Hanes.

As to muzzy, limiting the primer, projectile, and powder, shut them down.

Rifles? Pretty tough. Only real thing you can do, is discourage them via restrictive season lengths, and tag availability.

 

[Vanilla]

They are looking to put the meat in the freezer. In Utah anyway….

And this is wrong? I know that is my goal every time I leave the house to chase critters with a tag in my hand. I thought that was the goal of all hunters?

 

[diablo]

And this is wrong? I know that is my goal every time I leave the house to chase critters with a tag in my hand. I thought that was the goal of all hunters?

Nope not wrong but not why every one of us hunts……

 

[Vanilla]

Nope not wrong but not why every one of us hunts……

If you’re not looking to put meat in the freezer, then what is the goal? I’m curious.

 

[travishunter3006]

How about a rule that simply states: "Travis" is the only one who gets to hunt?

Sounds good to me. These ideas are bordering on full blown mental illness. Focus your efforts on making sure your tax/fee dollars are being spent correctly and that DNR-DWR are doing what they are supposed to do instead of pandering to the political and big-money-hunting outfits.

We don't need to ban batteries. I don't want to call you a moron... but jeezus man.

 

[diablo]

If you’re not looking to put meat in the freezer, then what is the goal? I’m curious.

For the same reason I catch and release fly fish. The Challenge, the adventure, the experience. Why would we be talking about making hunting more challenging (on a trophy hunting forum) if we were all primarily interested in filling the freezer?!

 

[SanPitch]

Not going to be able to word it exactly but just throwing out an idea.

What if the wording in the Utah Hunting Proclamations read:

No use of any instrument that requires the use of Alkaline, Lithium, Silver-Oxide, etc. types of batteries during any hunt in Utah.

Just looking at the small battery stuff that assist in the moment of truth, not car batteries or Atv's and such.

So you could still have a Variable Power Scope on a Muzzy, Slider Sight on a bow or a Turreted scope on a rifle but say no Laser Rangefinder, no Radios, no Onyx, no Flashlights, etc.

If a person is capable and has the skills to Judge 823 yards during a rifle hunt, 322 yards on a Muzzy hunt or 102 yards on an Archery Hunt then props to them for their ability.

Their is always going to be people find ways around the rules but I am just Spitballing here and wondering if this puts the "Hunt Back in Hunt."

What would this accomplish? This would be a ban on all the wrong things. Idiots will still guess and take the long shots even without a rangefinder so that will only leave us with tons of wounded and lost animals. And why shouldn’t I be able to contact the people I’m hunting with or use a map? And flashlights can be very vital for survival, I just don’t understand your thinking. Radios, maps, and flashlights are not new technology, they have been around for a long time and people have always used them for hunting.

 

[elkassassin]

Just Waitin for somebody to Say:

I Do It Because I Need the Meat!

JFP!

 

[slamdunk]

Just Waitin for somebody to Say:

I Do It Because I Need the Meat!

JFP!

? right??
It's far cheaper to eat steak at Ruth's Chris twice a week all year than hunting for food.

 

[Broadside_Shot]

How about a rule that simply states: "Travis" is the only one who gets to hunt?

Sounds good to me. These ideas are bordering on full blown mental illness. Focus your efforts on making sure your tax/fee dollars are being spent correctly and that DNR-DWR are doing what they are supposed to do instead of pandering to the political and big-money-hunting outfits.

We don't need to ban batteries. I don't want to call you a moron... but jeezus man.

Why do you have to resort to start name calling Travis. It was a simple question to see if there was a way to "Put the Hunt back in Hunting" according to the Powers to be at the Wildlife Board on their first vote.

I am not in favor of the Trail Camera ban and feel that it was a stupid rule but that was the start of these technology bans. I'm with Big Wiffy on not telling others how to hunt and enjoy the outdoors and what style of hunting they like. I'm for increasing the population of the animals for all to enjoy.

At one time people didn't have cell phones or radios or electronics to hunt with and we had a lot more game to hunt. It's just the facts. It started off by "Put the Hunt back in Hunting" well by damn lets do that then. Lets see if taking batteries away changes success rates. It won't because that is not the issue. Animals are struggling in this day and age for only God knows why.

The real reason for the Trail Cameras got banned during hunting is because you have a handful of Adults that don't know how to behave on the mountain and therefore their actions punish the innocent.

How about we work on a way to punish the bad guys to the point they may not want to do bad anymore.

 

[hossblur]

Easier to kill cow elk too.

 

[Broadside_Shot]

What would this accomplish? This would be a ban on all the wrong things. Idiots will still guess and take the long shots even without a rangefinder so that will only leave us with tons of wounded and lost animals. And why shouldn’t I be able to contact the people I’m hunting with or use a map? And flashlights can be very vital for survival, I just don’t understand your thinking. Radios, maps, and flashlights are not new technology, they have been around for a long time and people have always used them for hunting.

Your right, people have been taking long shots forever. I do know that there were a lot more hunters and a lot more animals 35 years ago when I started hunting and people were taking long shots back then too.

Was it technology that hurt the animals, I doubt it but that seems to be the Sideshow Focus that the Wildlife board has chosen to Stand On. So I was looking for a way "to Put the Hunt back in Hunting" in a simple manner vs all the little bandaid fixes that do absolutely nothing for the animals.

People have hunted without all those electronics years ago. Was it the answer. I'm sure if had some effect here and there but I don't think its the reason the animals are dwindling.

It's not because a 220 inch buck was shot at a 1000 yards. BTW for that buck to become 220 inches hasn't he lived long enough to pass on plenty of genetics before he got shot.

Maybe we should find a way to let his offspring that are does reach maturity. Somewhere along the line those are the animals that are dying to quickly

 

[Gator]

So everyone is walking to their unit because most trucks use a battery?

 

[roadrunner]

The real reason ________ got banned...is because you have a handful of Adults that don't know how to behave...and therefore their actions punish the innocent.

How about we work on a way to punish the bad guys to the point they may not want to do bad anymore.

What a novel idea!!! If only politicians and bureaucrats would follow this practice instead of the crybaby approach to group punishment. One size fits all, right?

Guess the whole "gun control" argument is now a moot point...

 

[Bluehair]

If you’re not looking to put meat in the freezer, then what is the goal? I’m curious.

Some of these dudes shoot multiple deer and elk every year. And they go back to gut em the next day.

It‘s never been about food for some people.

 

[Savage110]

lol...no they aren't....they are looking for IG pics...

having to keep the meat (or at least take the meat out of the field) is just an unfortunate consequence for lots of these IG hunters.

 

[JB1975]

Another thread about payback ideas due to Broadside not being able to hunt without cameras. ?

 

[Broadside_Shot]

Another thread about payback ideas due to Broadside not being able to hunt without cameras. ?

Whatever. If you don't look at all sides to things then you end up making stupid decisions on emotions. That's all the camera ban was. Not trying to prove any point about using or not use cameras, was asking a question to have a discussion on "Putting the Hunt back in Hunting. Have a nice day

 

[diablo]

Some of these dudes shoot multiple deer and elk every year. And they go back to gut em the next day.

It‘s never been about food for some people.

And some guys/families kill multiple animals in multiple states every year, pack every ounce out and donate what they can’t eat themselves.

 

[travishunter3006]

Why do you have to resort to start name calling Travis. It was a simple question to see if there was a way to "Put the Hunt back in Hunting" according to the Powers to be at the Wildlife Board on their first vote.

I am not in favor of the Trail Camera ban and feel that it was a stupid rule but that was the start of these technology bans. I'm with Big Wiffy on not telling others how to hunt and enjoy the outdoors and what style of hunting they like. I'm for increasing the population of the animals for all to enjoy.

At one time people didn't have cell phones or radios or electronics to hunt with and we had a lot more game to hunt. It's just the facts. It started off by "Put the Hunt back in Hunting" well by damn lets do that then. Lets see if taking batteries away changes success rates. It won't because that is not the issue. Animals are struggling in this day and age for only God knows why.

The real reason for the Trail Cameras got banned during hunting is because you have a handful of Adults that don't know how to behave on the mountain and therefore their actions punish the innocent.

How about we work on a way to punish the bad guys to the point they may not want to do bad an

Why do you have to resort to start name calling Travis. It was a simple question to see if there was a way to "Put the Hunt back in Hunting" according to the Powers to be at the Wildlife Board on their first vote.

I am not in favor of the Trail Camera ban and feel that it was a stupid rule but that was the start of these technology bans. I'm with Big Wiffy on not telling others how to hunt and enjoy the outdoors and what style of hunting they like. I'm for increasing the population of the animals for all to enjoy.

At one time people didn't have cell phones or radios or electronics to hunt with and we had a lot more game to hunt. It's just the facts. It started off by "Put the Hunt back in Hunting" well by damn lets do that then. Lets see if taking batteries away changes success rates. It won't because that is not the issue. Animals are struggling in this day and age for only God knows why.

The real reason for the Trail Cameras got banned during hunting is because you have a handful of Adults that don't know how to behave on the mountain and therefore their actions punish the innocent.

How about we work on a way to punish the bad guys to the point they may not want to do bad anymore.

Oh my... did I hurt your feelings?

I love that you've missed the entire point here... JUST because YOU think hunting or scouting using certain pieces of tech should be outlawed, doesn't mean they are bad. Your opinion is just that... your opinion. Its about as useful as the opinion of any one of us. Why don't you focus your efforts on something other than labeling (name calling?) other sportsmen as "bad guys" because they use trail cameras or certain tech you disagree with? (It is funny that you call me out for name calling and then immediately name call. Again, sorry that I hurt your feelings. Its hard to talk to you sensitive people without offending)

Hunting in the Americas in the 1400's before any settlers arrived consisted of what? stick and string? atlatl? snaring? herding off a cliff? Is that real enough hunting for you? Or should I just square off with a buck using my two meaty paws and box him to death? Should I be regulated into harvesting the organs of a roadkill animal, stripping it of its sinew and other connective tissues to make a string while breaking branches from a hickory tree to fashion myself a bow and maybe some arrows? Is that "hunting" enough for you?

If you have ever used a gun, scope, rangefinder, compound bow, etc... then you sir are a hypocrite and your opinion matters not here. You are acting like a selfish child who doesn't like that the "bad guys", as you call them, hunt and are more successful that you. Where does the regulation end? You're not "putting the hunting back into hunting" as you claim. You're attempting to regulate others into what you feel is fair and here is a strong life lesson buddy... nobody cares about your feelings. Hunting is defined broadly as the taking of an animal. Your redefined imagination of what the new definition of hunting would look like this: "Hunting: to only look at a deer with your own eyes, without the aid of corrective lenses (unfair advantage), without the use of a truck to get you to the mountain/forest, woods because the pioneers didn't have those types of tech (unfair advantage), must only use weapons that you've sourced from the woods on your own without the use of anything other than your own two hands, or one hand if your only have one hand, (Because anything other than that would be an unfair advantage).

Do you see yet? Should I continue? I know you kids don't like to hear facts but unfortunately you need to hear them. You can't regulate everything from your safe spaces and with your fact-less feelings.

 

[heartshot]

Interesting concept Broadside_Shot. But what would we do if we there are no batteries in the camera to take the kill shot photos with the 15 guides in the back ground.

A battery restriction would definitely put the hunt back into hunting. There is a lot fallout consequences to such a blanket ban. (flashlights, phones, cars, cameras, electric hand warmers, etc) At the end of day, banning just range finders would have about the same results.