What will you be using on your muzzy?

[schoolhousegrizz]

With the changes what will you be using?

 

[elkassassin]

I Lay One Gun Down!

And Go Back One Step In TECHNOLOGY & Pick That Gun Back Up!

I Guess I Better Tell You It's A POFT 1X!

With the changes what will you be using?

 

[yoteduster]

Williams peep sight

 

[Downrange]

Just glad I kept my 1 power scope

 

[Zeke]

I heard the unanimous vote was for no scopes .....or was I told wrong?

Iron sights might be the order of the day for the front-stuffers.

Zeke

 

[elkassassin]

1X In My Eyes Is Perty Much No Scopes Zeke!

I heard the unanimous vote was for no scopes .....or was I told wrong?

Iron sights might be the order of the day for the front-stuffers.

Zeke

 

[Vanilla]

I heard the unanimous vote was for no scopes .....or was I told wrong?

Iron sights might be the order of the day for the front-stuffers.

Zeke

You were told wrong. The motion that passed unanimously will allow 1x scopes and red dot scopes. Essentially taking the regulations back to pre-2016.

Remember back in 2015 when people still made clean, ethical kills with muzzleloaders before they were allowed to throw a 4x16 power scope on one?

 

[Tikka]

Williams peep sight

X2

 

[Elkslayer2015]

I never switched over. Everyone knows where my stance was on this.
I have 2 Muzzleloaders one has 1x and the other is open sights. So it wont cost me anything.

 

[Downrange]

1X In My Eyes Is Perty Much No Scopes Zeke!

So true for me to

 

[elkassassin]

Remember When 1X Scopes Were For Sell For A Dime A Dozen?

 

[Zeke]

Remember When 1X Scopes Were For Sell For A Dime A Dozen?

They still should be for sale at a dime a dozen. Red dots are much better IMHO.

Zeke

 

[Deerlove]

If I remember right my 20-year-old Red Dot would cover the whole deer at 200 yards

 

[roadrunner]

Williams peep sight

Order it now unless you have one.

Been down this already...

 

[BIGJOHNT]

I think the Gun Werks sight maybe the better set up ! It cost more then my current muzzle loader scope but oh well.

 

[elkassassin]

Maybe!

But My 600 Grain Bullet Has Destroyed Every Red Dot Scope I've Put On My Gun!

They still should be for sale at a dime a dozen. Red dots are much better IMHO.

Zeke

 

[hossblur]

You were told wrong. The motion that passed unanimously will allow 1x scopes and red dot scopes. Essentially taking the regulations back to pre-2016.

Remember back in 2015 when people still made clean, ethical kills with muzzleloaders before they were allowed to throw a 4x16 power scope on one?

Ya, but we had a lot less kids(sometimes you think you've heard it all)

 

[middlefork]

The joke will be when we see no increase in tags. But for all those who think that is going to happen I wish you well.

No doubt they had to do something and now it is what it is. How long until the next grab?

 

[ELKOHOLIC]

I think I will keep it to myself what I will be using. I don’t want to give certain people something to put on the agenda for next November. I will play by the rules. Maybe I will even step back a few yards a go for a personal best next year. Not much will change. The changes are getting expensive though.

 

[Shadow]

My open sights still kill the same as they always did so I’ll be using the same as I always have.

 

[elkhuntn247]

I designed what I’d say is the best fiber optic globe sight there is, so I feel obliged to use it. On the other hand I do have a new nightforce 1x sitting on the shelf, I picked up just incase this day came

 

[hossblur]

The joke will be when we see no increase in tags. But for all those who think that is going to happen I wish you well.

No doubt they had to do something and now it is what it is. How long until the next grab?

Spring.

We keep kicking chit down the road apparently the deer committee has the secret sauce.

 

[elkassassin]

Now It's RIFLE Time!

 

[hossblur]

Get a good idea. Let's get it.

4x limit?

 

[middlefork]

Spring.

We keep kicking chit down the road apparently the deer committee has the secret sauce.

Enjoy your ducks.

 

[hossblur]

Enjoy your ducks.

You'll survive. Open sights worked for a couple hundred years.

 

[Elkrunning-Scared]

The joke will be when we see no increase in tags. But for all those who think that is going to happen I wish you well.

No doubt they had to do something and now it is what it is. How long until the next grab?

Well you won’t hear me complaining. This needed to happen.

 

[slamdunk]

I'll just mount my original Sightron 1x red dot back on the old Knight.
At least I can focus for my near sighted old eyes

 

[middlefork]

You'll survive. Open sights worked for a couple hundred years.

Not a problem. I'll deal with it. I've never felt like I was being victimized by any weapon restriction.

All I ask is you acknowledge the results in a few years.

What does success look like to you?

 

[Mbm1969]

I have two CVA Accuras. One with a 3x9 and one with fiber optic open sights. Been using the scoped gun for several years. Ill just go back to the open sight gun. No big deal to me.

 

[hossblur]

Not a problem. I'll deal with it. I've never felt like I was being victimized by any weapon restriction.

All I ask is you acknowledge the results in a few years.

What does success look like to you?

Honestly I'm not 100% sure. I'm hoping not using quantum computing to do no miss shooting.?

I'm hoping no firing "muzzleloaders" that use nano tech, and guided projectiles.

Hoping AI systems don't replace human eye for targeting.


I know what no scopes did or didn't do, there's history to show.

You, and guys like you were/ are fighting last decades battles.

You are either naive or willfully blind to look at the landscape that exists with tech TODAY, and not see that none of it leads to prolonging hunting.

Rifle hunting is going to have to go away either entirely, or be severely limited in the near future would be my guess We have become to efficient at killing.

 

[elkassassin]

I Was Gonna Say 2X!

Get a good idea. Let's get it.

4x limit?

 

[hossblur]

Ok

 

[elkassassin]

2X POWER MAX ON SCOPES!

NO TURRETS ON THE 2 X SCOPES!

NO ELECTRONICS BUILT IN TO SCOPES!

ABSOLUTELY NO RANGEFINDERS!

NO RANGEFINDING BUILT IN TO SCOPES OR BINO'S!

LET'S GO MONOCULARS ONLY, NO BINO'S!

ABSOLUTELY NO MUZZLE BREAKS/SUPPRESSORS!

AND OF COURSE NO CANS!

ABSOLUTELY NO HIGH TECH CUSTOM TRIGGERS!

NO CUSTOM JEWELED ACTIONS!

NO CUSTOM PUSS PADS/CUSTOM BUTT PADS!

STRAIGHT WALLED CARTRIDGES ONLY!

ALL THEM ELECTRONIC GADGETS THAT COINCIDE WITH YOUR CURRENT RIFLE WILL BE OUT-LAWED,YOU WON"T HAVE GUN ENOUGH TO EVEN NEED IT!

REMEMBER:

It Wasn't Me That Stirred This Shhitt Up On The SmokePoles!

And Sometimes PAYBACK Can Be A REAL BITTCH!

 

[hossblur]

None of that will grow deer. We will lose young hunters, could cause wounding

Payback is a 2way street

 

[MrShane]

The joke will be when we see no increase in tags. But for all those who think that is going to happen I wish you well.

No doubt they had to do something and now it is what it is. How long until the next grab?

Hopefully soon!

 

[elkassassin]

A Question:

Does The New Rule On SmokePoles Grow Deer?

None of that will grow deer. We will lose young hunters, could cause wounding

Payback is a 2way street

 

[MrShane]

You were told wrong. The motion that passed unanimously will allow 1x scopes and red dot scopes. Essentially taking the regulations back to pre-2016.

Remember back in 2015 when people still made clean, ethical kills with muzzleloaders before they were allowed to throw a 4x16 power scope on one?

Using open sights, you crazy!
But what about the children?!!!

 

[elkassassin]

Was I/We Not Told These Changes Are Not To Grow More Deer?

None of that will grow deer. We will lose young hunters, could cause wounding

Payback is a 2way street

 

[HntHrdr]

But My 600 Grain Bullet Has Destroyed Every Red Dot Scope I've Put On My Gun!

Get a trijicon or aimpoint, they hold up

 

[Deerlove]

None of that will grow deer. We will lose young hunters, could cause wounding

Payback is a 2way street

Young Hunters need a high-powered scope? Or they'll quit?

 

[Downrange]

I will be using the vortex crossfire scope same one I had in 2016

 

[30Hart]

They still should be for sale at a dime a dozen. Red dots are much better IMHO.

Zeke

Definitely, your eye sees at like 1.25x so the red dot is a big upgrade over a 1x scope.

 

[fin little]

Just looked through my Burris fullfield 1x mounted on my old knight. Looks alot better than I remembered.

 

[hossblur]

A Question:

Does The New Rule On SmokePoles Grow Deer?

Define "grow deer"

 

[Robiland]

Not a problem. I'll deal with it. I've never felt like I was being victimized by any weapon restriction.

All I ask is you acknowledge the results in a few years.

What does success look like to you?

What results are you wanting or expecting or think will happen with this change? Are you thinking that the WB thinks this will help the deer herd or elk herd or antelope?

This has nothing to do with that. And for the record, I think they need to draw a line that is bigger in the sand for rifles and scopes. More than just the electronics. And yes, that did affect me. I have 3 BDX scopes. I am in the process of replacing them. Although 1 of my older rifle scopes I can dial it over 1000 yards. My BDX is maxed out at 800 yards.

 

[Robiland]

Was I/We Not Told These Changes Are Not To Grow More Deer?

I never heard that this was to grow more deer. Except from people that did not know what they were talking about. This is about tech and it needs to go further down the road with all weapons. We are too good with our weapons. The tech that has come in the last 10 years or 20 years blows my mind. And think about where it could go!

 

[Elkrunning-Scared]

Not a problem. I'll deal with it. I've never felt like I was being victimized by any weapon restriction.

All I ask is you acknowledge the results in a few years.

What does success look like to you?

What does the success look like?
Well, if we’re going off the data. I would say it would only be 2.5% drop in harvest.

It’s going to be real interesting to see true data on this mandatory harvest survey though.

 

[schoolhousegrizz]

For the Love of All that is holy, we all know these changes will not grow the deer herd. However, people are not complaining that they're not seeing deer they're complaining they're not seeing any mature bucks. Yes I know growing the herd will also grow mature bucks but at these changes are supposed to offer more opportunity while having more mature bucks on the landscape. For crying out loud I don't see hunters saying I'm pissed because I didn't see a doe with fawns today.

I too I'm all about doing whatever we can to grow the deer herd.

 

[Hunter21]

It’s going to be real interesting to see true data on this mandatory harvest survey though.

Yeah, but it’s not going to show any data on the scopes that are coming off. Knowing magnified scope’s coming off was a real possibility 3 years ago they should have started mandatory harvest surveys then. Major failure in my opinoon.

 

[D_Hoyt]

I'm okay with the change. Now I need to buy another hunting rifle for my kids so I can put my 3-9 muzzleloader scope to use.

I bought a CVA two years ago with open sights, and I put a scope on it. Now, back to the open sights. I've never shot past 200 yards with a scope. So, open sights will be fine by me.

Honestly, I'm hoping this helps my draw odds. Especially, for LE elk (22 points in hand).

 

[yoteduster]

For the Love of All that is holy, we all know these changes will not grow the deer herd. However, people are not complaining that they're not seeing deer they're complaining they're not seeing any mature bucks. Yes I know growing the herd will also grow mature bucks but at these changes are supposed to offer more opportunity while having more mature bucks on the landscape. For crying out loud I don't see hunters saying I'm pissed because I didn't see a doe with fawns today.

I too I'm all about doing whatever we can to grow the deer herd.

If that's the reason everybody wants scopes and other technology banned so we'll have more big bucks.. Here's a hint..quit killing yearlings and two year olds.. I guarantee ya that will put a bunch of big bucks on the landscape and we wouldn't have to go through all this other nonsense...

 

[Elkrunning-Scared]

Yeah, but it’s not going to show any data on the scopes that are coming off. Knowing magnified scope’s coming off was a real possibility 3 years ago they should have started mandatory harvest surveys then. Major failure in my opinoon.

You’re right it’s not going to. It’s never been about the Data for me anyways.
I only said what I said, because Data supposedly doesn’t back up removing scopes.
This absolutely has nothing to do with growing a herd this has everything to do with keeping muzzleloaders in check.

 

[deadibob]

If I remember right my 20-year-old Red Dot would cover the whole deer at 200 yards

Get a smaller dot 1-3MOA. I used an Eotech the last few years of the 1x restricted years.

 

[deadibob]

You’re right it’s not going to. It’s never been about the Data for me anyways.
I only said what I said, because Data supposedly doesn’t back up removing scopes.
This absolutely has nothing to do with growing a herd this has everything to do with keeping muzzleloaders in check.

What data? They’ve never kept real data.

 

[Hunter21]

You’re right it’s not going to. It’s never been about the Data for me anyways.
I only said what I said, because Data supposedly doesn’t back up removing scopes.
This absolutely has nothing to do with growing a herd this has everything to do with keeping muzzleloaders in check.

I understand that. I just think it would have been useful and easy information to gather on a controversial subject.

 

[hossblur]

What data? They’ve never kept real data.

True.

So there was no real data to put them on.

 

[Elkrunning-Scared]

I understand that. I just think it would have been useful and easy information to gather on a controversial subject.

Absolutely I totally agree. It would’ve been nice.
But I feel like we would be able to have an idea and compare the DWR‘s current program with the new mandatory harvest program.

 

[Bigwiffy]

2X POWER MAX ON SCOPES!

NO TURRETS ON THE 2 X SCOPES!

NO ELECTRONICS BUILT IN TO SCOPES!

ABSOLUTELY NO RANGEFINDERS!

NO RANGEFINDING BUILT IN TO SCOPES OR BINO'S!

LET'S GO MONOCULARS ONLY, NO BINO'S!

ABSOLUTELY NO MUZZLE BREAKS/SUPPRESSORS!

AND OF COURSE NO CANS!

ABSOLUTELY NO HIGH TECH CUSTOM TRIGGERS!

NO CUSTOM JEWELED ACTIONS!

NO CUSTOM PUSS PADS/CUSTOM BUTT PADS!

STRAIGHT WALLED CARTRIDGES ONLY!

ALL THEM ELECTRONIC GADGETS THAT COINCIDE WITH YOUR CURRENT RIFLE WILL BE OUT-LAWED,YOU WON"T HAVE GUN ENOUGH TO EVEN NEED IT!

REMEMBER:

It Wasn't Me That Stirred This Shhitt Up On The SmokePoles!

And Sometimes PAYBACK Can Be A REAL BITTCH!

I like it!

 

[Elkrunning-Scared]

What data? They’ve never kept real data.

Right I 100% percent agree with you.

 

[Hunter21]

Absolutely I totally agree. It would’ve been nice.
But I feel like we would be able to have an idea and compare the DWR‘s current program with the new mandatory harvest program.

Except most, including yourself don’t consider the DWR’s current program “real data”.

 

[Elkrunning-Scared]

Except most, including yourself don’t consider the DWR’s current program “real data”.

You’re absolutely correct. The only real data they have is LE data and Antlerless data.
Will see how accurate they are come next year. It will be interesting.

Thats what I was meaning how accurate are they.

 

[Roy]

I will keep my 3X9 Simmons on my muzzleloader. I just won't use it.

 

[elkassassin]

It'll Never Be 100% True!

Be A Bunch Of Them Lieing About Harvests In Hopes Of Getting More Tags Issued,Right Hossy?

No Hossy!

I'm Not Calling You A Liar!

I'm SPEWING The Truth!

But It Should Be Way More Accurate Than Anything We've Had Forever!

How Long Did This Little Step Take?

What does the success look like?
Well, if we’re going off the data. I would say it would only be 2.5% drop in harvest.

It’s going to be real interesting to see true data on this mandatory harvest survey though.

 

[Vanilla]

1 thing of 50.

Now there is only 49. I better never hear bessy say "50 more things" again!

 

[elkassassin]

Will 49+ Be OK?

1 thing of 50.

Now there is only 49. I better never hear bessy say "50 more things" again!

 

[Elkrunning-Scared]

It'll Never Be 100% True!

Be A Bunch Of Them Lieing About Harvests In Hopes Of Getting More Tags Issued,Right Hossy?

No Hossy!

I'm Not Calling You A Liar!

I'm SPEWING The Truth!

But It Should Be Way More Accurate Than Anything We've Had Forever!

How Long Did This Little Step Take?

All the complaining that you do. I think you could have saved 4 western states by now on deer.
You could have planted a lot of habitat and built a lot of highway fences.

That would take you from 49 problems down to just 2.

 

[elkassassin]

I've Planted!

Never Got In On Any Highway Fencing But We Damn Sure Need Some Around Here!

All the complaining that you do. I think you could have saved 4 western states by now on deer.
You could have planted a lot of habitat and built a lot of highway fences.

That would take you from 49 problems down to just 2.

 

[Elkrunning-Scared]

I've Planted!

Never Got In On Any Highway Fencing But We Damn Sure Need Some Around Here!

Hahaha I know. Just messing with you elk.

 

[Vanilla]

Will 49+ Be OK?

Only if you want to lie again!

 

[elkassassin]

WOW!

You've Whittled It Down To 49!

Only if you want to lie again!

 

[hossblur]

It'll Never Be 100% True!

Be A Bunch Of Them Lieing About Harvests In Hopes Of Getting More Tags Issued,Right Hossy?

No Hossy!

I'm Not Calling You A Liar!

I'm SPEWING The Truth!

But It Should Be Way More Accurate Than Anything We've Had Forever!

How Long Did This Little Step Take?

Utards will always utard.

 

[Bluehair]

But My 600 Grain Bullet Has Destroyed Every Red Dot Scope I've Put On My Gun!

Get one of those recoil proof air rifle scopes

 

[Elkrunning-Scared]

Okay elkassassin let’s do a count.
#1 bait
#2 trail cameras
#3 muzzleloader scopes
#4 160,000 tags where cut

Looks like to me your good .you need a bigger list.

 

[Rie bread]

 

[elkassassin]

Oh I've Got A Bigger List!

Not Many People Like It Though,Right Niller?

Evidentally You've Never Studied HELL-RIGHT?

Okay elkassassin let’s do a count.
#1 bait
#2 trail cameras
#3 muzzleloader scopes
#4 160,000 tags where cut

Looks like to me your good .you need a bigger list.

 

[kk]

Open sites, just like me and my grandsons have always used. It might be easier to draw a muzzleloader tag this year.

 

[elkassassin]

Howdy kk!

 

[notdonhunting]

But My 600 Grain Bullet Has Destroyed Every Red Dot Scope I've Put On My Gun!

Stop shooting 600 grain slugs

 

[elkassassin]

Not A Chance!

You Wanna Shoot It?

Brings A New Meaning To KNOCK-DOWN Power!

1 Shot & It'd Knock Your Silly Ass Down!

Stop shooting 600 grain slugs

 

[hossblur]

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As I was scrolling down I saw that, my first thought was founder was out of town if he's letting these adds in again

 

[elkassassin]

It's Not So Much As What Founder 'Let's In'!

It's What You PERVS Are Searching When Your Wives Ain't Looking!

As I was scrolling down I saw that, my first thought was founder was out of town if he's letting these adds in again

 

[Rie bread]

As I was scrolling down I saw that, my first thought was founder was out of town if he's letting these adds in again

It definitely helping with the noise but the recoil is still the same

Elk my wife picked it out should be here by Saturday, just in time for the weekend

 

[elkassassin]

LMMFAO!

It definitely helping with the noise but the recoil is still the same

Elk my wife picked it out should be here by Saturday, just in time for the weekend

 

[txhunter58]

Not sure. Never had a scope of any kind on my Muzzys. So it ain’t broke…..however my eyes are seeing 2 front sights now, so 1x scope seems a good choice.

I have a 1x vortex with a 1 MOA red dot currently on an AR. May use that.