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Injured Indiana hunter chooses to end life support

INDIANAPOLIS (AP) ? Tim Bowers loved the outdoors. Hunting gave him the quiet time during which he could reflect on a busy life that included a new wife, a successful business and a baby on the way.

The Indiana man was enjoying that time while hunting for deer Saturday when he fell 16 feet from a tree and suffered a severe spinal injury that paralyzed him from the shoulders down. Doctors thought he might never breathe on his own again.

Confronted with that prognosis, Bowers' family made an unusual request of doctors at Fort Wayne's Lutheran Hospital: Could Bowers be brought out of sedation and told of his condition so he could decide for himself whether he wanted to live or die?

The doctors said yes, and Bowers made his choice.

"We just asked him, 'Do you want this?' And he shook his head emphatically no," his sister, Jenny Shultz, said of her brother, who was also often found hunting, camping or helping his father on his northeastern Indiana farm.

Courts have long upheld the right of patients to refuse life support. The American Medical Association says competent adults can craft directives stating if or when they want such systems withdrawn or withheld should injuries or illness leave them unable to make those decisions.

But it's rare after a devastating injury that a patient would get to make such a decision for himself. The heart-wrenching call to remove life support is more often left to surrogates who must speak for those patients. Even when a patient has outlined his wishes for end-of-life care, the decision can tear families apart.

Shultz, of Las Vegas, has seen it happen in her job. But her medical training also meant she understood the severity of her 32-year-old brother's injuries. His C3, C4 and C5 vertebrae were crushed. Though his brain was not injured, his body was irreparably broken. Surgery could fuse the vertebrae, but that would only allow Bowers to sit up. He would never walk or hold his baby. He might live the rest of his life in a rehabilitation hospital, relying on a machine to help him breathe. He'd never return to those outdoor activities that gave him such peace.

Shultz said her brother ? the youngest of four siblings ? wanted to talk but couldn't because the ventilator tube was still in place. She told him that if the tube was removed, they weren't sure how long he would live. But when she asked if he wanted the tube reinserted if he was struggling, he shook his head no.

Doctors asked Bowers the same questions and got the same responses. The tube came out Sunday.

The last five hours of Tim Bowers' life were spent with family and friends, about 75 of whom gathered in the hospital waiting room. They prayed and sang songs.

Through it all, Shultz said, her brother never wavered in his decision to die.

"I just remember him saying so many times that he loved us all and that he lived a great life," she said. "At one point he was saying, 'I'm ready. I'm ready.'"

Medical ethicists say it's rare for patients to decide on the spot to be removed from life support, especially so soon after an injury. But standard medical ethics practice is to grant more autonomy to patients, and courts have upheld their rights to decide on end-of-life care.

Patients often change their minds after they've had time to meet with spiritual advisers and family, said Art Caplan, director of the medical ethics program at New York University's Langone Medical Center in New York City.

Dr. Paul Helft, director of the Charles Warren Fairbanks Center for Medical Ethics in Indianapolis, said cases in which the patient makes the decision usually involve a debilitating illness such as Lou Gehrig's disease, which compromises the patient's body but leaves the mind intact.

Helft said patients have been legally and ethically permitted to make their own decisions on life support for several decades, due in part to court cases and the evolution of the practice of medicine, which places more emphasis on patients' rights.

"We give patients autonomy to make all kinds of decisions about themselves," he said. "We've recognized that it's important that patients have the right to self-determination."

Shultz said her family had an idea what her brother would want because he had previously talked with his wife, Abbey, whom he married Aug. 3, about never wanting to spend his life in a wheelchair.

She knows that not everyone would make the same call. But she's thankful her brother was able to make his own decision.

"No outcome was ever going to be the one that we really want, but I felt that he did it on his terms in the end," she said.
 
I have a notarized DNR....do not recessitate...that covers this and any other thing which could leave me "plugged in". I won't live on electricity.

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Makes ya think but I would have to agree with his choice to end his life. The mind is an amazing organ and to only have this as a means of life would suck. Then to have this burden placed upon family is not something I would want. Although I do not have a DNR but I have expressed my wishes with my spouse and sons and I hope they never have to decide. My brother made the decision for my father and I can appreciate the difficulty this would be.

"Courage is being scared to death but saddling up anyway."
 
My accident happened at age 22. My same 3 vertbrae were damaged and fused. I would hate to think what I would have missed the last 30 years. Been on dozens of deer hunts, a moose hunt, sheep hunt, elk hunt, and spend thousands of day in the outdoors, enjoying what I love. I've also held everyone of my nieces and nephews, as well as my 2 boys. Sure, he avoided a lot of pain, frustration, and what if's, but he also missed out on a lot of great stuff. So did his kid. Not saying he was right or wrong, just saying I have enjoyed more from a chair, than I did on my legs, and met a crapload of great people in the process.

Yelum

Theres logic, and theres women. They don't go together.
 
>My accident happened at age 22.
> My same 3 vertbrae
>were damaged and fused.
>I would hate to think
>what I would have missed
>the last 30 years.
>Been on dozens of deer
>hunts, a moose hunt, sheep
>hunt, elk hunt, and spend
>thousands of day in the
>outdoors, enjoying what I love.
> I've also held everyone
>of my nieces and nephews,
>as well as my 2
>boys. Sure, he avoided
>a lot of pain, frustration,
>and what if's, but he
>also missed out on a
>lot of great stuff.
>So did his kid.
>Not saying he was right
>or wrong, just saying I
>have enjoyed more from a
>chair, than I did on
>my legs, and met a
>crapload of great people in
>the process.
>
>Yelum
>
>Theres logic, and theres women. They
>don't go together.

Great insight Yelum!
 
Great to hear from you Yelum, I knew you would have some great insight and wisdom about this and appreciate your thoughts.
 
Thanks for your insight Yelum . Another thing those doctors are not always right . The human body can do miraculous things . Life is so precious , be care full out there. That a sad story.
 
I might add that I am 67 years old, so this decision is way easier for me to make than for a young guy.

Besides that, I ain't as tough as Yellum....

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post.....especially mine, you need serious
intervention!"
 
"Doctors thought he might never breathe on his own again."

If that was the case for sure, let me go.

Eel
 
+100 Eel said.

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I am glad Yellum is here!

My brother in law had the same injury from a motorcycle accident. He spent the next 15 years spending time with his kids, teaching them to be better.
He talked to others that were injured and helped them.

So, it is a very very personal decision.
Some times living with very tough things, makes those around you tougher.
I would stay, and try my best to be a good person.
Just like Yellum and my brother in law.

That is just me.
 
>My accident happened at age 22.
> My same 3 vertbrae
>were damaged and fused.
>I would hate to think
>what I would have missed
>the last 30 years.
>Been on dozens of deer
>hunts, a moose hunt, sheep
>hunt, elk hunt, and spend
>thousands of day in the
>outdoors, enjoying what I love.
> I've also held everyone
>of my nieces and nephews,
>as well as my 2
>boys. Sure, he avoided
>a lot of pain, frustration,
>and what if's, but he
>also missed out on a
>lot of great stuff.
>So did his kid.
>Not saying he was right
>or wrong, just saying I
>have enjoyed more from a
>chair, than I did on
>my legs, and met a
>crapload of great people in
>the process.
>
>Yelum
>
>Theres logic, and theres women. They
>don't go together.
As well as taught lessons to and inspired a lot more people than you can possibly imagine!


"I've hunted almost every day of my life, The rest
have been wasted"
 
That would be a very tough call for sure. Just the thought though of being able to see my kids would make me want to stay alive. I also agree with what was said above. The human body can do amazing things. I've read a lot of stories where the doctors said they won't walk, talk or do anything on their own again and the complete opposite happens.

Very sad and very tough call for sure. I feel for his family.
 
I will not live due to a machine. Being held hostage in a hospital bed for 5, 10, 20 30 years or more... NO WAY, I will say my good byes and be happy for what time I did have and move on to the next stage.

Mntman

"Hunting is where you prove yourself"


Let me guess, you drive a 1 ton with oak trees for smoke stacks, 12" lift kit and 40" tires to pull a single place lawn mower trailer?
 

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