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Brownie10
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Has anyone heard about them puting wolfs in dixe national forest, az strip, and the kaiabab?
"Its about the chase, Not the kill"
"Its about the chase, Not the kill"
On the GCwolfrecovery website, the only thing I could find was the following statement on FAQ page:
[q]Why do you want to put wolves in the Grand Canyon?
We don't actually want to put wolves down in the Grand Canyon, but we do want to help them return to their historic home throughout the Grand Canyon Ecoregion.[/q]
Does anyone have anymore information on the proposed reintroduction that Orrin Hatch was eluding to?
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[q]Why do you want to put wolves in the Grand Canyon?
We don't actually want to put wolves down in the Grand Canyon, but we do want to help them return to their historic home throughout the Grand Canyon Ecoregion.[/q]
Does anyone have anymore information on the proposed reintroduction that Orrin Hatch was eluding to?
http://unitedwildlifecooperative.org
stillhunterman
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The GC wolf recovery effort is by a single non profit org that has a variety of members from schools to homemakers. It is a private effort they have been working on for some time. It has nothing to do with what Hatch was talking about.
There is a TON of false information floating around. The reintroduction of the Mex wolf in the Blue Ridge Mountains of Arizona and New Mexico has been on again off again for several years, with several issues slowing down the process. It is linked to other plans of reintroduction in other states as well.
There has been TALK by the usfws about introducing several hundred wolves in areas that are not known to be historic ranges of the wolf, but to date it is only talk. As far as BGF and SFW "stopping" some secret action to "drop off" a bunch of wolves in the souther Utah area is pure heresay. I've yet to find anything in writing to substantiate anything of this sort.
Can it happen? Sure. Will it happen? Hard to say, nobody knows for sure at this time. The precedent was set in Yellowstone NP, for ALL N. parks, and it will be a political storm when it all comes down. I have a fair amount of info on the subject Tree, will get it to you when I get a sec ;-)
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There is a TON of false information floating around. The reintroduction of the Mex wolf in the Blue Ridge Mountains of Arizona and New Mexico has been on again off again for several years, with several issues slowing down the process. It is linked to other plans of reintroduction in other states as well.
There has been TALK by the usfws about introducing several hundred wolves in areas that are not known to be historic ranges of the wolf, but to date it is only talk. As far as BGF and SFW "stopping" some secret action to "drop off" a bunch of wolves in the souther Utah area is pure heresay. I've yet to find anything in writing to substantiate anything of this sort.
Can it happen? Sure. Will it happen? Hard to say, nobody knows for sure at this time. The precedent was set in Yellowstone NP, for ALL N. parks, and it will be a political storm when it all comes down. I have a fair amount of info on the subject Tree, will get it to you when I get a sec ;-)
www.unitedwildlifecooperative.org
Thanks. I just want to be sure to have as many facts as possible before making assumptions or forming an opinion.
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Sportsmen need to be on top of the wolf war. How many years have wolves been wiping out big game populations in the lower 48.
Law suit after law suit, Federal Judge over turning advise from expert biologist and research. Goals were met and exceeded many years ago.
Still anti hunting groups want more wolves, less grazing on public land, more laws against gun owners and hunters.
This is a real plan to have a bunch of wolves in AZ, NM,and UT.
Law suit after law suit, Federal Judge over turning advise from expert biologist and research. Goals were met and exceeded many years ago.
Still anti hunting groups want more wolves, less grazing on public land, more laws against gun owners and hunters.
This is a real plan to have a bunch of wolves in AZ, NM,and UT.
I dropped this in the MM General Hunting thread, but thought it might be useful to post it here, too:
I spoke to our wildlife chief about these rumors yesterday. He explained that the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS) is in the early stages of developing a recovery plan for Mexican wolves, and no final decisions will be made for several years. Any proposal to introduce wolves would go out to the public for input before a final decision was made. In other words, there is nothing official right now: not a proposal, not a reintroduction area, not a timeline.
In the meantime, Utah's DWR is represented on the recovery-plan team, and we're working vigorously to keep all recovery efforts within the historic range of Mexican wolves (areas outside of Utah).
The following paragraph is at the end of a recent DWR fact sheet and provides a bit more information about Mexican wolves:
What about Mexican wolves?
The Mexican wolf is a unique subspecies that occurred in Mexico and parts of the southwestern United States. Biologists have determined that the core population of Mexican wolves did not range farther north than central Arizona and New Mexico. The DWR opposes any efforts to recover this subspecies in Utah.
Amy Canning
Communications Specialist
Utah Division of Wildlife Resources
I spoke to our wildlife chief about these rumors yesterday. He explained that the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS) is in the early stages of developing a recovery plan for Mexican wolves, and no final decisions will be made for several years. Any proposal to introduce wolves would go out to the public for input before a final decision was made. In other words, there is nothing official right now: not a proposal, not a reintroduction area, not a timeline.
In the meantime, Utah's DWR is represented on the recovery-plan team, and we're working vigorously to keep all recovery efforts within the historic range of Mexican wolves (areas outside of Utah).
The following paragraph is at the end of a recent DWR fact sheet and provides a bit more information about Mexican wolves:
What about Mexican wolves?
The Mexican wolf is a unique subspecies that occurred in Mexico and parts of the southwestern United States. Biologists have determined that the core population of Mexican wolves did not range farther north than central Arizona and New Mexico. The DWR opposes any efforts to recover this subspecies in Utah.
Amy Canning
Communications Specialist
Utah Division of Wildlife Resources
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You're the Cat's Meow Amy! Thanks for keeping the info flowing, awesome job!
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Juniper
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a friend of mine saw wolf tracks in diaomnd fork canyon. And another guy i know claims to have seen three wolves there also! If this is true then wolves are all ready here in our backyard!!!
Is there a Mexican wolf population in existance that they can get the reintroduction wolves from? The ones introduced into MT/ID were from northern Canada. They are huge, larger than the native, and have devastated the Moose and Elk population. If this happens, hunting in those areas as you know it will never be the same.
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Please don't put your head in the sand over wolf introductions in the southwest. The wolfies are actively pursuing their agenda.
Mexican grey wolves were captured in Mexico and transported to a rearing pen in NM. From this population, an objective of 100 free range wolves in primarily east central AZ was established. It has been a big controversy in AZ. Game & Fish said the habitat could not support the wolf population objective and wolves would leave the area in search of livestock and other game populations. Game & Fish has been fighting as best they could by disallowing the replacement of wolves killed in the act of taking livestock. Only wolves killed by poaching or natural mortality in the defined release area could be replaced in an effort to contain the wolves to the proposed range. Defenders of Wildlife sued and had the AZ Game & Fish removed from the Adaptive Oversight Management Committee so the citizens of AZ no longer have representation on this project. It is being run by the USFWS.
The budget for the original re-introduction was $7.4 million. The USFWS has spent over $25 million since 1998 and has a free range population of 42 wolves. This does not meet their objective. They are looking for a release site that has a "suitable population" of big game species to support 100 free range wolves. The map below shows the area under consideration for new releases.
I am not advocating anyone join an organization, sign a petition or donate money. I just hope sportsmen will be aware of what is being planned, stay informed and apply pressure to keep the USFWS from introducing more wolves. Look what happened in MT, WY, ID and, yes, even in AZ. Don't think it can't happen again. You are naive if you think the UTDWR can stop wolves from entering your state. The only way to keep wolves out of Southern Utah is to keep them out of Northern Arizona.
Mexican grey wolves were captured in Mexico and transported to a rearing pen in NM. From this population, an objective of 100 free range wolves in primarily east central AZ was established. It has been a big controversy in AZ. Game & Fish said the habitat could not support the wolf population objective and wolves would leave the area in search of livestock and other game populations. Game & Fish has been fighting as best they could by disallowing the replacement of wolves killed in the act of taking livestock. Only wolves killed by poaching or natural mortality in the defined release area could be replaced in an effort to contain the wolves to the proposed range. Defenders of Wildlife sued and had the AZ Game & Fish removed from the Adaptive Oversight Management Committee so the citizens of AZ no longer have representation on this project. It is being run by the USFWS.
The budget for the original re-introduction was $7.4 million. The USFWS has spent over $25 million since 1998 and has a free range population of 42 wolves. This does not meet their objective. They are looking for a release site that has a "suitable population" of big game species to support 100 free range wolves. The map below shows the area under consideration for new releases.
I am not advocating anyone join an organization, sign a petition or donate money. I just hope sportsmen will be aware of what is being planned, stay informed and apply pressure to keep the USFWS from introducing more wolves. Look what happened in MT, WY, ID and, yes, even in AZ. Don't think it can't happen again. You are naive if you think the UTDWR can stop wolves from entering your state. The only way to keep wolves out of Southern Utah is to keep them out of Northern Arizona.
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I agree with you sagebrush. The entire Mexican wolf thing has an eerie stench to it similar to the Gray wolf deal. The USFWS has two things on their side in this whole deal: TIME and the ESA.
An all out assault on the ESA at this time will just not hold water I'm afraid. But where there is a will there is a way, with the proper support.
You said:
"I am not advocating anyone join an organization, sign a petition or donate money. I just hope sportsmen will be aware of what is being planned, stay informed and apply pressure to keep the USFWS from introducing more wolves. Look what happened in MT, WY, ID and, yes, even in AZ. Don't think it can't happen again. You are naive if you think the UTDWR can stop wolves from entering your state. The only way to keep wolves out of Southern Utah is to keep them out of Northern Arizona"
Yes, we as hunters do NEED to stay informed and be very proactive and vigilant, and we need to let the right information guide our efforts, and not let the tremendous amount of emotional rhetoric send us down the wrong path until its too late.
Great post.
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An all out assault on the ESA at this time will just not hold water I'm afraid. But where there is a will there is a way, with the proper support.
You said:
"I am not advocating anyone join an organization, sign a petition or donate money. I just hope sportsmen will be aware of what is being planned, stay informed and apply pressure to keep the USFWS from introducing more wolves. Look what happened in MT, WY, ID and, yes, even in AZ. Don't think it can't happen again. You are naive if you think the UTDWR can stop wolves from entering your state. The only way to keep wolves out of Southern Utah is to keep them out of Northern Arizona"
Yes, we as hunters do NEED to stay informed and be very proactive and vigilant, and we need to let the right information guide our efforts, and not let the tremendous amount of emotional rhetoric send us down the wrong path until its too late.
Great post.
www.unitedwildlifecooperative.org
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