Governors Sheep Tag Poaching Incident-WLH!

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MontyBurns

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Does anyone know the particulars with WLH guiding the Nebo big horn sheep? Rumors have it is that it was the sportsmans tag year to hunt the Nebo? ANY INFO?
 
Yes the sportsmans tag and the governors tag have too switch off years from what I understand on Nebo because there's few sheep. Wade Lemmon should have known that if so. The bigger question is will the F&G actually do anything about it since he's a revenue source. Last I heard nothing came about pushing that buck into a high fence. also I've heard they're debating on what to do about it, so I ask what's the debate! If it's all true then would any of the rest of us get into trouble if we use our next tag on the unit of our choice! If so my next general season deer tag will be on the Henry's.
 
Why punish the guide/outfitter rather than the tag holder. I am certain the restrictions for the tag are included and the tag holder should be held culpable with the outfitter being so as an accomplice.

This is crazy and if they do not prosecute then IMO a precedent has just been set. Be curious to see how this unfolds.

"Courage is being scared to death but
saddling up anyway."
 
Isn't that part of the reason for having a guide someone to hold your hand? If no punishment is handed down I see no problem with using my nonresident nebo tag for the sanjaun!
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Is My Yellowstone PISSCUTTER Tag Valid on the SJ?











[font color="blue"]She put a Big F.U. in My Future,Ya She's got a
way with Words[/font]
 
>Well bess I would say hell
>yes if they don't punish
>the hunter and guide!
>
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OK!

If I Run in to anybody I'll Just Tell them to Talk with hornkiller!:D












[font color="blue"]She put a Big F.U. in My Future,Ya She's got a
way with Words[/font]
 
In Colorado, if the govenor's tag sheep hunter gets caught poaching, they confiscate the Ram, issue a new permit and send them on their way. At least that is how it worked 9-10 years ago.
 
Why are people already assuming that there will not be a prosecution in this case?

Seems weird that there are so many raising that question out of the blue? Has there been any statement from law enforcement or the county attorney that they are declining the case? Even any hints at such?
 
>uh....he tithes well.....in Utardia

EASY with the Religious Replies Homer!












[font color="blue"]She put a Big F.U. in My Future,Ya She's got a
way with Words[/font]
 
>why???....it's not relevant??


Just Sayin.............!

Might be what Get's Him off!:D











[font color="blue"]She put a Big F.U. in My Future,Ya She's got a
way with Words[/font]
 
I hope they slam them! take the ram , fine the whole nine yards! I would go even farther and require a 1 year suspension of guiding license for the said outfitter due to this being a once in a lifetime tag! just complete ignorance to not follow DWR
 
I'm not surprised... Let's look at the chain of mentorship that we have here:

Kirt Darner -> Doyle Moss -> Wade Lemon

Right..??

"Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!" 2 Ne. 28: 24
 
I certainly don't think "nothing will come of it", but should that happen oh, there is an outrage a comin'! Where I'm confused is the silence. This is troubling as it seems to indicate that either nothing wrong actually happened and WLO/TXgal are getting prepped for an undeserved crucification...or worse that the public are being prepped to get the wool pulled over our eyes. A simple acknowledgment (and if it exists, please show it to me I really am curious) that the Gov tag improperly took a ram on a unit closed to her and that the State is examining its options.

and if nothing happens from it, wanna bet that the next Governor deer tag holder goes shopping on the Island?
 
Browningrage, there are a lot of assumptions in your statement, and I'm not aware that any of them are related. Kirt was charged for HIS illegal actions. Was Doyle envolved in them? As far as I know, Doyle has never been charged for any illegal activity. Was Wade Lemon actually on this hunt, or was his son/guides too blame.

I hope those you mentor never do wrong, or that might bring shame to your name.

Yelum

YBU

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Whoa there guys.

Better be careful assuming DWR won't file charges and then posting it online.

They might call your boss.

Grizzly
 
Hmmm. They don't tytpically "call" your boss. The Executive Director prefers communicating via email.

It will be interesting to see what, if anything, comes from this incident.

-Hawkeye-
 
I'm still interested to hear what actually happened!

Does anyone have any concrete information on what actually occured? Does anyone know if the ram was actually killed on the Nebo? Did the DWR really seize the animal? I'm all for sticking it to people that poach, but the details on this one are missing. Let's hear it if anyone has it!
 
The poached ram will be bought back by the poacher at the antler auction. Maybe a tv station can do a story about the reunion.
 
I am not sure if the hunter knew about this rule or not. Clearly should have know. But an out of state tag holder hires a guide, the guide should know for sure. I would fine the hunter, let her keep the ram after the fine, but punish the guide. Just my opinion.
 
But then again, we know how well the DWR follows its own rules. So why should fellow hunters, Right???
 
Doyle moss doesn't do illegal activities.......that is hilarious! blocking roads so his clients have no interaction with other hunters, bullying people into going other places and basically telling them our lawyers are better than yours. yeah stand up guy
 
Says the guy with loads of proof, pics, video, aka sheephntr83

Everybody has a cellphone with a built in camera, but they are all so terrified of Doyle to use it, right.

Yelum

YBU

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>Says the guy with loads of
>proof, pics, video, aka sheephntr83
>
>
>Everybody has a cellphone with a
>built in camera, but they
>are all so terrified of
>Doyle to use it, right.
>
>
>Yelum
>
>YBU
>
>
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Exactly! Put up or shut up! I seem to recall reading somebody on here insinuating to have screenshots of the ram on WLO's facebook page. Well? put'em up!
 
Sheep tags are funny, look what happened with the hells canyon sheep tag holder and outfitter a couple years ago in Idaho killing 2 trophy sheep on 1 tag. Nothing, that's what happened.
 
The ram was killed on the Nebo unit and scored 177" and some change. It is under investigation by the DWR. This much, I know is true.
 
I am sure the sheep was drugged tied to a tree and shot latter given it being Wade Lemon and his services.


?If men were angels, no government would be
necessary.? John Adams
 
>Browningrage, there are a lot
>of assumptions in your statement,
>and I'm not aware that
>any of them are related.
> Kirt was charged for
>HIS illegal actions. Was Doyle
>envolved in them? As far
>as I know, Doyle has
>never been charged for any
>illegal activity. Was Wade
>Lemon actually on this hunt,
>or was his son/guides too
>blame.
>
>I hope those you mentor never
>do wrong, or that might
>bring shame to your name.
>
>
>Yelum
>
>YBU
>
>
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Yelum,

When I hire guys, if they don't follow building codes, its my azz, whether I was actually there or not. Its not Wade lemons guides service, its Wade. That is how buisness goes. When said trucking line has a driver that injures someone, the company gets sued. Same as an airline, same as a hospital, same as a store. You as the owner, and licesnsed entity are responsible. Believe me, the check didn't go to the guide, it went to the outfitter, and so does the liabliltiy. However, we have seen this road traveled before, can you say Rulon Jones? I agree with you, I don't think Doyle has been charged with anything. But I have never been charged for speeding either, so take that for what its worth. The outfitter deserves the charges, and the fines. He should also face a licensing board to discuss suspension or evocation of his license.


"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
>it's amazing what 10% will get
>you....


GAWD-DAMNIT Homer!









[font color="blue"]She put a Big F.U. in My Future,Ya She's got a
way with Words[/font]
 
Is anyone surprised? They have been shady for years! But the state will just look the other way, because of the money their clients bring into the DWR. They claim to be true sportsmen and they say they are in it for the animals benefit! What a joke all they care about is the money and notoriety that comes with killing big animals and they will do anything possible (legal or not) to make it happen!
WLH and other guides who think they own all the wildlife on the mountain in every unit in the state are what is wrong with hunting! The average hunter who has waited for years and finally draws a tag and is able to scout only on the weekends and finds an animal they want to kill. Doesn't have a chance! 9 times out of 10 when opening day comes They find 10 of these Douche bag guides sitting on the same animal! Willing to do whatever it takes to make sure no one else kills that animal!
I only hope someday these ##### heads try to block the road to keep me from hunting in an area!
I will be waiting on pins and needles to see if the state has enough balls to do anything about this recent issue!haha
 
Anyone else notice that most of those that are bashing WLH on this issue are new profiles and all their posts are on this issue?

Something seems fishy to me here...
 
>Anyone else notice that most of
>those that are bashing WLH
>on this issue are new
>profiles and all their posts
>are on this issue?
>
>Something seems fishy to me here...
>

No, I mean I know I rarely post, yelum is pretty new to this, as are you and Robiland. That Elkassasin guy seems to only post about religion. Reality is, this stuff DOES happen. We all know how the Mossbacks and WLH type outfits work. They are successful, no doubt. But they do push the lines, they do think they own the mtn., they do sit on animals for weeks. They do get special favors. I was out hiking on AI and had the park ranger wait for me at my truck to tell me I couldn't hike off trail. When I pointed out that Doyle had a trail cam on the trough I hiked to, the park ranger gave me the "thats different" answer. Point being, Denny had spent nearly $1million out there, and they got special treatment for it. Reality is, in my buisness I treat repeat customers different than one timers. They get preferential treatment as well, so lets not act like the state is any different. Now, having said that, this is POACHING. And as such there are laws, and if WLH gets off, then there is more than just looking the other way. I don't know Wade, only met Doyle out on the island once, but, regardless of how much they bring the state(they bring themselves quite a bit as well), WLH has zero excuse for not knowing the law, plain and simple.


"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
hossblur-

I didn't say all. And not everyone you mentioned is bashing WLH here either. So your response was totally non-responsive.

That said, I find it funny that the people that are claiming to actually know what happened here are all new users. The rest of us losers that post way too much here are just responding to them. As far as I know, these 4 or 5 new guys are all the same person. It doesn't seem slightly weird that a handful of new posters arise all with the same message: WLH is evil?

Heck, the operation may be bad for all I know. I'm not defending them by asking the question. My spidey-senses are pinging on this one, though. There seems to be a lot of missing info here, and I'm waiting to crucify WLH for poaching and the state for covering it up until some of these gaps get filled. If/when they do, I'll grab my pitch fork. But something is amiss here, in my opinion.
 
>>Anyone else notice that most of
>>those that are bashing WLH
>>on this issue are new
>>profiles and all their posts
>>are on this issue?
>>
>>Something seems fishy to me here...
>>
>
>No, I mean I know I
>rarely post, yelum is pretty
>new to this, as are
>you and Robiland. That
>Elkassasin guy seems to only
>post about religion. Reality
>is, this stuff DOES happen.
> We all know how
>the Mossbacks and WLH type
>outfits work. They are
>successful, no doubt. But
>they do push the lines,
>they do think they own
>the mtn., they do sit
>on animals for weeks.
>They do get special favors.
> I was out hiking
>on AI and had the
>park ranger wait for me
>at my truck to tell
>me I couldn't hike off
>trail. When I pointed
>out that Doyle had a
>trail cam on the trough
>I hiked to, the park
>ranger gave me the "thats
>different" answer. Point being,
>Denny had spent nearly $1million
>out there, and they got
>special treatment for it.
>Reality is, in my buisness
>I treat repeat customers different
>than one timers. They
>get preferential treatment as well,
>so lets not act like
>the state is any different.
> Now, having said that,
>this is POACHING. And
>as such there are laws,
>and if WLH gets off,
>then there is more than
>just looking the other way.
> I don't know Wade,
>only met Doyle out on
>the island once, but, regardless
>of how much they bring
>the state(they bring themselves quite
>a bit as well), WLH
>has zero excuse for not
>knowing the law, plain and
>simple.
>
>
>"The only thing that stops a
>bad guy with a gun
>is a good guy with
>a gun"

Hey hoss!

Pay Attention!

I Usually don't 'start' the Religious Posts!

I Do Reply to them though!

This Religious Racism Hurts!

Even JACK MORMONS Matter!














[font color="blue"]She put a Big F.U. in My Future,Ya She's got a
way with Words[/font]
 
Hossblur
I don't disagree with you that the outfitter is responsible for what the guides do. Its his name on the line. I was just curious if Wade was personally involved.

As for Doyles special treatment on the island, you are off the mark. Those who have tags, whether draw of auction, all have island access, and are allowed to set cameras.

Just curious, why were you breaking the law by hiking off trail. You go out there enough to know it ain't allowed.

Yelum

YBU

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fortheloveofthewild

The state hunter is a girl, her husband and brotherinlaw have access, their names aren't on the tag. You're grasping at straws.

The island gives the same access to all 4 hunters. They have to designate 2 names that have scouting access. Only those 2 persons are allowed. Doyle obeys those rules, State hunters, not so much.

Yelum

YBU

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>>>Anyone else notice that most of
>>>those that are bashing WLH
>>>on this issue are new
>>>profiles and all their posts
>>>are on this issue?
>>>
>>>Something seems fishy to me here...
>>>
>>
>>No, I mean I know I
>>rarely post, yelum is pretty
>>new to this, as are
>>you and Robiland. That
>>Elkassasin guy seems to only
>>post about religion. Reality
>>is, this stuff DOES happen.
>> We all know how
>>the Mossbacks and WLH type
>>outfits work. They are
>>successful, no doubt. But
>>they do push the lines,
>>they do think they own
>>the mtn., they do sit
>>on animals for weeks.
>>They do get special favors.
>> I was out hiking
>>on AI and had the
>>park ranger wait for me
>>at my truck to tell
>>me I couldn't hike off
>>trail. When I pointed
>>out that Doyle had a
>>trail cam on the trough
>>I hiked to, the park
>>ranger gave me the "thats
>>different" answer. Point being,
>>Denny had spent nearly $1million
>>out there, and they got
>>special treatment for it.
>>Reality is, in my buisness
>>I treat repeat customers different
>>than one timers. They
>>get preferential treatment as well,
>>so lets not act like
>>the state is any different.
>> Now, having said that,
>>this is POACHING. And
>>as such there are laws,
>>and if WLH gets off,
>>then there is more than
>>just looking the other way.
>> I don't know Wade,
>>only met Doyle out on
>>the island once, but, regardless
>>of how much they bring
>>the state(they bring themselves quite
>>a bit as well), WLH
>>has zero excuse for not
>>knowing the law, plain and
>>simple.
>>
>>
>>"The only thing that stops a
>>bad guy with a gun
>>is a good guy with
>>a gun"
>
>Hey hoss!
>
>Pay Attention!
>
>I Usually don't 'start' the Religious
>Posts!
>
>I Do Reply to them though!
>
>
>This Religious Racism Hurts!
>
>Even JACK MORMONS Matter!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>[font color="blue"]She put a Big F.U.
>in My Future,Ya She's got
>a
>way with Words[/font]
>
>

Just don't go looting the Bishops storehouse tonight when you "protest" your injustice


"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
Yelum,

I know you and I disagree about the AI hunt, and maybe your side is right, I mean there is a nasty black stripe running up the island, so I am sure Dennys money will replant it?

You got me on the being off trail part, I was. HOWEVER, the trail cam I fixed was after the dude that wasn't Denny a couple years back killed his deer, and after the state guy too.

But, here it is Thurs. If you or I were pulled over and they found drugs, they would impound your car. If you beat your old lady, you'd be sittin in a cell. If you were pulled over for DUI, same deal. The point being, WLH either killed a sheep, or didn't. This isn't hearsay, there is either a dead sheep, or there isn't. If there is, and its on the Nebo, it was poached(killed without proper tag, out of area). I don't troll WLH site, but from time to time I have friends that tag WLH pics on facebook, so I know that everything they kill gets a nice pic with WLH logo on it. Is there one with a dead sheep on the Nebo? If I wasn't so dang lazy I would go look myself. It doesn't take weeks to figure out what the hell is going on. I personally have seen guys out in the swamp get pinched for shooting after dark, wrong bag limits, lead shot, ON THE SPOT. IF, and that is the word, IF what is alleged actually happened, and there aren't charges brought by now, its because there is some deal making going on, and BET YOUR AZZ, there are some big shots in the DWR/WB($fw cuz they are the same thing) making calls, and twisting arms. How embarrasing would it be for the STATE to have its second most "famous" guide nailed for poaching, with the Governors tag? That is pretty horrific PR. Lets not pretend like money doesn't talk with the DWR/WB, and if you can buy that tag you have it, and if your that guide you have connections to it.


"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
Always interesting to read people's versions of reality.


Have any of yall just for a moment slowed down and thought about this isn't playing out the way you think it should because you really don't know what happened?


Instead it is easier to compare a person you don't know to drug dealers and spousal abusers.

I also like the blurred legal lines between criminal guilt and civil liability which yall use to bash people. Really creative, and to the ignorant, almost logical.
 
>Hossblur
>I don't disagree with you that
>the outfitter is responsible for
>what the guides do.
>Its his name on the
>line. I was just
>curious if Wade was personally
>involved.
>
>As for Doyles special treatment on
>the island, you are off
>the mark. Those who
>have tags, whether draw of
>auction, all have island access,
>and are allowed to set
>cameras.
>
>Just curious, why were you breaking
>the law by hiking off
>trail. You go out
>there enough to know it
>ain't allowed.
>
>Yelum
>
>YBU
>
>
7019yelumlogosig2.jpg



Yeah Hoss, only exception to wander off that trail are the chosen, and the lucky 1 out of several thousand. The latter is so we can all feel better about it. If you want to see the off trail areas it must be done through watermarked photos.

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>Always interesting to read people's versions
>of reality.
>
>
>Have any of yall just for
>a moment slowed down and
>thought about this isn't playing
>out the way you think
>it should because you really
>don't know what happened?
>
>
>Instead it is easier to compare
>a person you don't know
>to drug dealers and spousal
>abusers.
>
>I also like the blurred legal
>lines between criminal guilt and
>civil liability which yall use
>to bash people. Really
>creative, and to the ignorant,
>almost logical.


I don't know one way or another what happened other than speculation based on comments. Frankly, probably nobody here does. I'm not sure I follow your civil liability line though. Are you suggesting that game laws are only civil?
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No 1911, I am not suggesting game laws are only civil.

I am commenting about previous posts on this thread that are based around burden of proof, liability, culpability, and intent. Several people here have used these things to blur the lines for an internet hanging.
 
>No 1911, I am not suggesting
>game laws are only civil.
>
>
>I am commenting about previous posts
>on this thread that are
>based around burden of proof,
>liability, culpability, and intent.
>Several people here have used
>these things to blur the
>lines for an internet hanging.
>


Oh. I got lost about halfway through this thread.

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Am I seriously about to even semi-agree with tristate about an alleged poaching incident? I think I need to go see a doctor and have my head checked. But just to be clear, I hate poaching, and he is totally okay with it. So we are not the same!

But in reality, there just isn't much information on this one. There are a bunch of brand new members/posters that all came on at the same time and started this controversy. As I said, am I even sure that this isn't all the same person with an ax to grind? One of them claimed to have a screenshot of the ram posted posted by WLH before it was removed. He was asked to post it, he hasn't done so. I don't even know if he has posted again since that request? It is alleged that the ram has been seized by the Springville DWR office. But no word on it from the DWR.

Anyone paying attention here knows how I feel about poaching. Anyone paying attention knows I have no problem calling a spade a spade on this forum before the legal process runs its course. I'm not one to bury my head in the sand when I know what is right and what is wrong. But in other cases, the facts and issues are presented openly, and there is enough smoke to know there is a fire. On this one, I'm not quite sure. Seems feel very fishy in these allegations for now.

Again, if those that claim to know want to post more information, I'd be happy to read it and if it makes sense, grab my pitch fork and criticize the hunter and the guide for poaching, and the state for not doing anything about it. But I need a lot more information than has been given before I can jump in head first on this one. It just seems fishy to me.
 
>Yelum,
>
>I know you and I disagree
>about the AI hunt, and
>maybe your side is right,
>I mean there is a
>nasty black stripe running up
>the island, so I am
>sure Dennys money will replant
>it?
>
>You got me on the being
>off trail part, I was.
> HOWEVER, the trail cam
>I fixed was after the
>dude that wasn't Denny a
>couple years back killed his
>deer, and after the state
>guy too.
>
>But, here it is Thurs.
>If you or I were
>pulled over and they found
>drugs, they would impound your
>car. If you beat
>your old lady, you'd be
>sittin in a cell.
>If you were pulled over
>for DUI, same deal.
>The point being, WLH either
>killed a sheep, or didn't.
> This isn't hearsay, there
>is either a dead sheep,
>or there isn't. If
>there is, and its on
>the Nebo, it was poached(killed
>without proper tag, out of
>area). I don't troll
>WLH site, but from time
>to time I have friends
>that tag WLH pics on
>facebook, so I know that
>everything they kill gets a
>nice pic with WLH logo
>on it. Is there
>one with a dead sheep
>on the Nebo? If
>I wasn't so dang lazy
>I would go look myself.
> It doesn't take weeks
>to figure out what the
>hell is going on.
>I personally have seen guys
>out in the swamp get
>pinched for shooting after dark,
>wrong bag limits, lead shot,
>ON THE SPOT. IF,
>and that is the word,
>IF what is alleged actually
>happened, and there aren't charges
>brought by now, its because
>there is some deal making
>going on, and BET YOUR
>AZZ, there are some big
>shots in the DWR/WB($fw cuz
>they are the same thing)
>making calls, and twisting arms.
> How embarrasing would it
>be for the STATE to
>have its second most "famous"
>guide nailed for poaching, with
>the Governors tag? That
>is pretty horrific PR.
>Lets not pretend like money
>doesn't talk with the DWR/WB,
>and if you can buy
>that tag you have it,
>and if your that guide
>you have connections to it.
>
>
>
>"The only thing that stops a
>bad guy with a gun
>is a good guy with
>a gun"

Actually hossblur, we don't disagree on the island hunt. I was never in favor of it. There was never a need for it. But like you said, the dwr/sfw (same thing) got it approved in spite of the public's, and my opinion/vote.

Financially, it put a whole lot of money in the state coffer that the island can't use. There's just not that much that can be done with habitat out there, with lack of water, bison population. They don't want to grow more deer, they have to remove them as it is.

As for WLH, I know zero facts, just heard that their hunter killed a sheep in an area closed to them. Whether that's a screw up, or arrogance, it shouldn't matter, both hunter/guide should be charged, and prosecuted. That's a no brainer. Will it happen? Well, it sure as crap would if it was you or me.

As for behavior of guides working for an outfitter, like bullying, blocking roads, threats, or arrogance, I, like you, read 2nd/3rd/4th hand stories, but after 15+ years, you'd think that someone would have video proof. My guess is 90% fabrication. Which also means it does, and has happened. I have 2 1st hand accounts, that I consider trustworthy. One was with Mossback, the other with WLH. The MB incident resulted in termination of guide. Nothing will happen with the WLH incident.

From personal experience, I know Doyle goes out of his way to make sure he is doing things that will not put MB in a bad light. People hate him. Mostly out of jealousy because he is good at his job. Some because his clients get prefferencial treatment with repeated tags with no waiting period etc. He doesn't make the laws or rules, but he does do his best to follow them. I could give you multiple examples, just from the island where he is obeying the rules that the island manager puts in place for the hunters, that the others repeatedly disregard. Nobody, including yourself, is going to give backlash to a state hunter for breaking those rules. You simply could care less. But if Doyle did that, you and others would be screaming preferential treatmnent, as evidenced in pervios posts.

You and I still have never met in person. I think we could enjoy a trip together looking at the island bucks. Might even become good friends. But we have different likes, attitudses, and beliefs. We are different. But we both have people who hate us, and like us, based on our opinions. I'm a BYU fan, my neighbor is a UTE fan. We get a long great, even though we have different points of view, and behaviors. I don't hate you, or dislike you. I only disagree with SOME of the things you say, if I feel, or know, they are incorrect. I may, or may not, voice my opinion, depending on the subjects. Sometimes, I just don't care. As for this ram issue, and WLH, we should all care, and hope that if if the ram was killed by the gov tag holder on the Nebo unit, charges need to be filed. I would feel the same way if MB, or my own kid was involved.

Yelum

YBU

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LAST EDITED ON Sep-22-16 AT 12:33PM (MST)[p]>Am I seriously about to even
>semi-agree with tristate about an
>alleged poaching incident? I think
>I need to go see
>a doctor and have my
>head checked. But just to
>be clear, I hate poaching,
>and he is totally okay
>with it. So we are
>not the same!
>
>But in reality, there just isn't
>much information on this one.
>There are a bunch of
>brand new members/posters that all
>came on at the same
>time and started this controversy.
>As I said, am I
>even sure that this isn't
>all the same person with
>an ax to grind? One
>of them claimed to have
>a screenshot of the ram
>posted posted by WLH before
>it was removed. He was
>asked to post it, he
>hasn't done so. I don't
>even know if he has
>posted again since that request?
>It is alleged that the
>ram has been seized by
>the Springville DWR office. But
>no word on it from
>the DWR.
>
>Anyone paying attention here knows how
>I feel about poaching. Anyone
>paying attention knows I have
>no problem calling a spade
>a spade on this forum
>before the legal process runs
>its course. I'm not one
>to bury my head in
>the sand when I know
>what is right and what
>is wrong. But in other
>cases, the facts and issues
>are presented openly, and there
>is enough smoke to know
>there is a fire. On
>this one, I'm not quite
>sure. Seems feel very fishy
>in these allegations for now.
>
>
>Again, if those that claim to
>know want to post more
>information, I'd be happy to
>read it and if it
>makes sense, grab my pitch
>fork and criticize the hunter
>and the guide for poaching,
>and the state for not
>doing anything about it. But
>I need a lot more
>information than has been given
>before I can jump in
>head first on this one.
>It just seems fishy to
>me.


There you go again with your "facts" and "reason" getting in the way of another sensational internet lynching. But seriously, weeks go by and nobody posts up the supposed screenshots or other proof to show that a ram was even killed? Let's get the pics and the proof and I'll start boiling the tar and killing chickens, but until then this seems like nothing more than a smear campaign.
 
YELUM- My post was a little tongue-in-cheek. But, I can't help but see a connection between characters that are often mixed up in situations that are at a minimum, unethical, and as you noted, at times are illegal and warrant charges and convictions...

In truth, I've met Doyle once, he was quite nice. I just found it interesting how apples may or may not fall too far from the "mentor tree." But I agree, he has no control over WL. And they may well have parted ways due to professional differences. Doyle may be the good apple in this bunch, but Darner is infamous already, and frankly, I think Wade is going that way. (blindfolded, hogtied deer..? Come on).

"Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!" 2 Ne. 28: 24
 
>>>>Anyone else notice that most of
>>>>those that are bashing WLH
>>>>on this issue are new
>>>>profiles and all their posts
>>>>are on this issue?
>>>>
>>>>Something seems fishy to me here...
>>>>
>>>
>>>No, I mean I know I
>>>rarely post, yelum is pretty
>>>new to this, as are
>>>you and Robiland. That
>>>Elkassasin guy seems to only
>>>post about religion. Reality
>>>is, this stuff DOES happen.
>>> We all know how
>>>the Mossbacks and WLH type
>>>outfits work. They are
>>>successful, no doubt. But
>>>they do push the lines,
>>>they do think they own
>>>the mtn., they do sit
>>>on animals for weeks.
>>>They do get special favors.
>>> I was out hiking
>>>on AI and had the
>>>park ranger wait for me
>>>at my truck to tell
>>>me I couldn't hike off
>>>trail. When I pointed
>>>out that Doyle had a
>>>trail cam on the trough
>>>I hiked to, the park
>>>ranger gave me the "thats
>>>different" answer. Point being,
>>>Denny had spent nearly $1million
>>>out there, and they got
>>>special treatment for it.
>>>Reality is, in my buisness
>>>I treat repeat customers different
>>>than one timers. They
>>>get preferential treatment as well,
>>>so lets not act like
>>>the state is any different.
>>> Now, having said that,
>>>this is POACHING. And
>>>as such there are laws,
>>>and if WLH gets off,
>>>then there is more than
>>>just looking the other way.
>>> I don't know Wade,
>>>only met Doyle out on
>>>the island once, but, regardless
>>>of how much they bring
>>>the state(they bring themselves quite
>>>a bit as well), WLH
>>>has zero excuse for not
>>>knowing the law, plain and
>>>simple.
>>>
>>>
>>>"The only thing that stops a
>>>bad guy with a gun
>>>is a good guy with
>>>a gun"
>>
>>Hey hoss!
>>
>>Pay Attention!
>>
>>I Usually don't 'start' the Religious
>>Posts!
>>
>>I Do Reply to them though!
>>
>>
>>This Religious Racism Hurts!
>>
>>Even JACK MORMONS Matter!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>[font color="blue"]She put a Big F.U.
>>in My Future,Ya She's got
>>a
>>way with Words[/font]
>>
>>
>
>Just don't go looting the Bishops
>storehouse tonight when you "protest"
>your injustice
>
>
>"The only thing that stops a
>bad guy with a gun
>is a good guy with
>a gun"

Injustice on what?










[font color="blue"]She put a Big F.U. in My Future,Ya She's got a
way with Words[/font]
 
Good gawd......you don't have to kill any innocent chickens....I'll bring a couple pillows.
 
If something wasn't wrong you would of seen pics by now! Does anyone know wade and can ask him wtf? Probably not because they don't want anything coming out.
hornkiller.jpg
 
>If something wasn't wrong you would
>of seen pics by now!
>Does anyone know wade and
>can ask him wtf? Probably
>not because they don't want
>anything coming out.
>
hornkiller.jpg



Or if they never shot a ram there would also be no pics...and nothing would be wrong...what you wrote is a false dichotomy. Plenty of reasons why there could be no wrong doing and no proof...but it could also be the sinister plot we hope it isn't too. We just don't know. If you have picture evidence or other proof that a ram was killed by the gov tag holder (regardless even of where) then please, let's see it!
 
>>If something wasn't wrong you would
>>of seen pics by now!
>>Does anyone know wade and
>>can ask him wtf? Probably
>>not because they don't want
>>anything coming out.
>>
hornkiller.jpg

>
>
>Or if they never shot a
>ram there would also be
>no pics...and nothing would be
>wrong...what you wrote is a
>false dichotomy. Plenty of
>reasons why there could be
>no wrong doing and no
>proof...but it could also be
>the sinister plot we hope
>it isn't too. We just
>don't know. If you
>have picture evidence or other
>proof that a ram was
>killed by the gov tag
>holder (regardless even of where)
>then please, let's see it!
>

I posted my typical one line idiocy to this thread like lots did......

If this really happened, I am amazed at how well it has been kept quiet....utards never keep quiet. There is a trail cam on every damp spot in the state and there isn't a breathing utard around without a smartphone with a camera....

And.....the OP is a one post stranger?
 
>>>If something wasn't wrong you would
>>>of seen pics by now!
>>>Does anyone know wade and
>>>can ask him wtf? Probably
>>>not because they don't want
>>>anything coming out.
>>>
hornkiller.jpg

>>
>>
>>Or if they never shot a
>>ram there would also be
>>no pics...and nothing would be
>>wrong...what you wrote is a
>>false dichotomy. Plenty of
>>reasons why there could be
>>no wrong doing and no
>>proof...but it could also be
>>the sinister plot we hope
>>it isn't too. We just
>>don't know. If you
>>have picture evidence or other
>>proof that a ram was
>>killed by the gov tag
>>holder (regardless even of where)
>>then please, let's see it!
>>
>
>I posted my typical one line
>idiocy to this thread like
>lots did......
>
>If this really happened, I am
>amazed at how well it
>has been kept quiet....utards never
>keep quiet. There is a
>trail cam on every damp
>spot in the state and
>there isn't a breathing utard
>around without a smartphone with
>a camera....
>
>And.....the OP is a one post
>stranger?

There is One!:D










[font color="blue"]She put a Big F.U. in My Future,Ya She's got a
way with Words[/font]
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-22-16 AT 09:43PM (MST)[p]>>>If something wasn't wrong you would
>>>of seen pics by now!
>>>Does anyone know wade and
>>>can ask him wtf? Probably
>>>not because they don't want
>>>anything coming out.
>>>
hornkiller.jpg

>>
>>
>>Or if they never shot a
>>ram there would also be
>>no pics...and nothing would be
>>wrong...what you wrote is a
>>false dichotomy. Plenty of
>>reasons why there could be
>>no wrong doing and no
>>proof...but it could also be
>>the sinister plot we hope
>>it isn't too. We just
>>don't know. If you
>>have picture evidence or other
>>proof that a ram was
>>killed by the gov tag
>>holder (regardless even of where)
>>then please, let's see it!
>>
>
>I posted my typical one line
>idiocy to this thread like
>lots did......
>
>If this really happened, I am
>amazed at how well it
>has been kept quiet....utards never
>keep quiet. There is a
>trail cam on every damp
>spot in the state and
>there isn't a breathing utard
>around without a smartphone with
>a camera....
>
>And.....the OP is a one post
>stranger?


FALSE Homer. Montey Burns has now posted 2 times. A personality profile suggests he is middle aged, twice divorced, drives a jacked up diesel he can't afford, relies heavily on his third wife's alimony and child support from her fist ex to make ends meet, and is a survivor of dysentery. All ear marks of a bona fide whistle blower.

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So, power was out last night so I went to bed early, which meant I was up too early. Trolled around the interweb about this sheep. There is nothing. Hit WLH page, nothing. Hit WLH facebook, nothing. WLH buisness model, much like Mossbacks is to slap their logo on pics and get them out in the interwebs, and facebook, etc., as quick as possible, I find it odd that they are guiding the governors sheep tag, which is a pretty big bragging point for them, and their is zero about either killing the sheep, or pics or vids of their scouting. To me, the silence seems deafening. So, I guess today I am gonna drop a call to the springville office and ask them. Funny thing is, so smartazz left WLH a facebook post asking about their new record sheep, again no reply to that either. If I get any info from Springville I will post it. Again, WLH sites and facebook are covered with success pics, yet the biggest prize in the state, a governors sheep tag, and crickets, huh.

Yelum, agree, agree, agree. Except the jealous of Doyle part. I'm not jealous of him, and when I use his name as an example its because he is so famous, but not jealous. In fact a little irritated that he has been such a driving force in the commercialization of the "hunting industry" in the state. I know he didn't start it, but to pretend he is just some innocent bystander, living out on his ranch and some city boys come beg him to take them hunting, is a stretch. He is plenty active in the continued push to "professionalize" hunting, its his buisness to do so. My issue is that what most of us take as a lifestyle or hobby, others try to use as a buisness, so not jealousy, but for sure not a fan either.


"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
So what your saying Hossblur is you don't know if WLH guided a sheep hunter at all. You don't know if a sheep got killed on the Nebo. You don't know if a client said he or she did not want pics of a sheep plastered on the internet. You don't know if the DWR is investigating anything. You don't know Doyle Moss. You have never seen proof of any illegal or unethical hunting on the part of either of these parties.

You LITERALLY don't know AAAAAAANYTHING about AAAAAAAANYTHING going on but you are ready to talk all the trash on this sight and gossip as much as possible.
 
FALSE 1911, Monty Burns has now posted 3 times and is not middle aged, never divorced, does drive a diesel that is not jacked up and can afford it! Sorry point out your mistakes! Monty Burns is just someone that is tired of dealing with outfitters that think they own everything and can push everyone around! Sorry if you and WLH are BFF's!
 
Monty Burns, have you ever met Wade Lemon?

How did WLH "push you around"?

Is this what you do when you feel "pushed around"? Run to the family computer and start an internet lynching???????

What skin in the game do you have? Time for you to be honest with us. I want to find your REAL motives here.
 
The thing about these type of tip off question threads is about 90% end up being legit. It may be bogus but historically the odds are that it probably happened.

Monty Burns - Where did you first here this rumor? What's the source?
 
It will be interesting when the facts come out.

The only thing we know so far is that there's a lot of pent-up anger being directed at outfitters and their paying hunters by those folks who claim to have suffered a run-in but, like everything else, I suppose it's 97.3% fantasy laced with a strong dose of jealousy and being passed off as high morals. Everything beyond that is second-hand hearsay at best.

I too want to grab a pitchfork if someone wronged and think they're above the regulations but I'll lay back and let others bicker about the rumors until we have a few facts....then I'll bring the rope

Zeke
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-23-16 AT 03:10PM (MST)[p]Aaaaaaaaaaand there went any credibility you wish you had.

Feel that metal thing sticking out of you Monty? That's the fork. YOUR DONE. :D




Well worded Zeke
 
Tristate do you think I care what you say or think of me, the answer is NO! Sorry I don't feel a metal thing sticking out, so I must not be done!
 
Really calling me a puppet, says the guy that has to have a guide hold his hand and tell you when and what to shoot! And its not that I dont care, i dont care what you think or say!
 
>FALSE 1911, Monty Burns has now
>posted 3 times and is
>not middle aged, never divorced,
>does drive a diesel that
>is not jacked up and
>can afford it! Sorry point
>out your mistakes! Monty Burns
>is just someone that is
>tired of dealing with outfitters
>that think they own everything
>and can push everyone around!
>Sorry if you and WLH
>are BFF's!

Sarcasm is "a sharp, bitter, or cutting expression or remark; a bitter gibe or taunt."[1][2] Sarcasm may employ ambivalence,[3] although sarcasm is not necessarily ironic.[4] "The distinctive quality of sarcasm is present in the spoken word and manifested chiefly by vocal inflections".[5] The sarcastic content of a statement will be dependent upon the context in which it appears.

4abc76ff29b26fc1.jpg
 
Could it be, Monty Burns, AKA Bobcatbess, AKA elk assassin?

Some body is certainly stirring the pot.
Funny as all hades how he likes arguing with that texan!
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-24-16 AT 07:11PM (MST)[p]>Could it be, Monty Burns, AKA
>Bobcatbess, AKA elk assassin?
>
>Some body is certainly stirring the
>pot.
>Funny as all hades how he
>likes arguing with that texan!
>


Notta ButtShot!

I Don't Argue with Tri!

I Argue With Professional Argumentalists Like dude!











[font color="blue"]She put a Big F.U. in My Future,Ya She's got a
way with Words[/font]
 
>So what your saying Hossblur is
>you don't know if WLH
>guided a sheep hunter at
>all. You don't know
>if a sheep got killed
>on the Nebo. You
>don't know if a client
>said he or she did
>not want pics of a
>sheep plastered on the internet.
> You don't know if
>the DWR is investigating anything.
> You don't know Doyle
>Moss. You have never
>seen proof of any illegal
>or unethical hunting on the
>part of either of these
>parties.
>
>You LITERALLY don't know AAAAAAANYTHING about
>AAAAAAAANYTHING going on but you
>are ready to talk all
>the trash on this sight
>and gossip as much as
>possible.

As usual your wrong, but hey, sun still rises every morning so what do I expect.
WLH did/is guiding the hunter. Rumor is the lady is from Texas, which would explain her not being able to read, and therefore not understanding why she couldn't hunt the Nebo. No, unlike a lot of fanboys in here whom have stalked Doyle at the Expo, I am not personal friends with him(Nor are they, but with their autographed camo, they like to lay in bed fanticizing about being so). I said hello to him one night on the island when we were both watching deer. He was perfectly nice in his "pretty good buck" answer, so I was too when I replied "yup, fun to watch them all together". Since then I have seen him half dozen or so times, I wave, he waves, but I haven't chased him down begging for a pic and autograph. I still have not said, no matter how many times it comes up that Doyle(who isnt Wade Lemon you dumbazz, they are two different people) has ever done anything illegal. My ideas of ethical and his may vary, but not illegality. I DO know the DWR knows about this sheep hunt. They generally have an idea of what happens with the governors tag. Further the Springville office had "no comment" yesterday. Unlike you, I have been on the Nebo. Unlike you I did so without a guide driving me there, holding my hand, and whipping my azz. Unlike you, I am capable of doing so myself. Unlike you, I don't live in one of the biggest cities in America, all the while pretending your some "good ole country boy from Texas". Lastly, as always I know a thread is completely dead and useless when I see your on it. So, I will read some posts from people who don't live 800 miles from here, that actually might know something.


"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
>>So what your saying Hossblur is
>>you don't know if WLH
>>guided a sheep hunter at
>>all. You don't know
>>if a sheep got killed
>>on the Nebo. You
>>don't know if a client
>>said he or she did
>>not want pics of a
>>sheep plastered on the internet.
>> You don't know if
>>the DWR is investigating anything.
>> You don't know Doyle
>>Moss. You have never
>>seen proof of any illegal
>>or unethical hunting on the
>>part of either of these
>>parties.
>>
>>You LITERALLY don't know AAAAAAANYTHING about
>>AAAAAAAANYTHING going on but you
>>are ready to talk all
>>the trash on this sight
>>and gossip as much as
>>possible.
>
>As usual your wrong, but hey,
>sun still rises every morning
>so what do I expect.
>
>WLH did/is guiding the hunter.
>Rumor is the lady is
>from Texas, which would explain
>her not being able to
>read, and therefore not understanding
>why she couldn't hunt the
>Nebo. No, unlike a
>lot of fanboys in here
>whom have stalked Doyle at
>the Expo, I am not
>personal friends with him(Nor are
>they, but with their autographed
>camo, they like to lay
>in bed fanticizing about being
>so). I said hello
>to him one night on
>the island when we were
>both watching deer. He
>was perfectly nice in his
>"pretty good buck" answer, so
>I was too when I
>replied "yup, fun to watch
>them all together". Since
>then I have seen him
>half dozen or so times,
>I wave, he waves, but
>I haven't chased him down
>begging for a pic and
>autograph. I still have
>not said, no matter how
>many times it comes up
>that Doyle(who isnt Wade Lemon
>you dumbazz, they are two
>different people) has ever done
>anything illegal. My ideas
>of ethical and his may
>vary, but not illegality.
>I DO know the DWR
>knows about this sheep hunt.
> They generally have an
>idea of what happens with
>the governors tag. Further
>the Springville office had "no
>comment" yesterday. Unlike you,
>I have been on the
>Nebo. Unlike you I
>did so without a guide
>driving me there, holding my
>hand, and whipping my azz.
> Unlike you, I am
>capable of doing so myself.
> Unlike you, I don't
>live in one of the
>biggest cities in America, all
>the while pretending your some
>"good ole country boy from
>Texas". Lastly, as always
>I know a thread is
>completely dead and useless when
>I see your on it.
> So, I will read
>some posts from people who
>don't live 800 miles from
>here, that actually might know
>something.
>
>
>"The only thing that stops a
>bad guy with a gun
>is a good guy with
>a gun"

So What Gives hoss?

If They Catch Me Hunting Deer on SJ this Year with My Yellowestone PISSCUTTER General Tag in Hand & I get Caught?

Will I Be able to Keep it Quiet/Hide everything?

Or Will I Get TARRED & FEATHERED Here on the Internet?

You Guy's Will Stick up for me,Right?:D












[font color="blue"]She put a Big F.U. in My Future,Ya She's got a
way with Words[/font]
 
Bess, the big question is...what type/brand is that bottle of beer? The ewe almost looks like she is enjoying it!
 
Wow! Narcissism, bigotry, and misogyny all in one post. Rare to get a post of that quality in these parts. Good on you for letting all that out. I'm proud of you boy.


But really all that anger doesn't hide that you really don't know anything regarding this.
 
Would wade just sit back and let his name and business get slammed if he was not guilty? I know his guys watch this site and they still have nothing to say! D.W.R everyone is paying attention hopefully you do the right thing.
hornkiller.jpg
 
What's the "right" thing?

Is the "right" thing to criminalize regular folks and damage business based solely on an internet lynching?
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-25-16 AT 06:18PM (MST)[p]Vanilla-

Fishy-not!
Most working men just don't have time to spend there days and nights monitoring hunting forums, just chomping at the bit to post a reply to something they most likely know nothing about!
Check out high top outfitters Instagram and read there post about the one big bull they tried to kill. There seems to be a common denominator in almost all of these kind of stories that are out there.
I'm sure you or one of your buddies will have plenty to say. My guess is you are one of them, just remember 9 times out of 10
Where there's smoke there's fire! Rather you have posted 1 or 1000 times, I fail to see why that is relevant, Right is still right and wrong is still wrong! But go ahead and spin it however you would like.
 
>What's the "right" thing?
>
>Is the "right" thing to criminalize
>regular folks and damage business
>based solely on an internet
>lynching?

The "right" thing to do is for the UDWR to investigate and process this lead properly and fully without regard to the status of or their relationship to the person(s) or entity(ties) being investigated and to fully prosecute those same persons and/or entities if the investigation calls for it.

Many of the readers/posters don't see that happening. Do you?
 
Just because the DWR doesn't partake in these internet lynchings and doesn't consider this gossip as evidence, doesn't mean they didn't look into things.
 
>Just because the DWR doesn't partake
>in these internet lynchings and
>doesn't consider this gossip as
>evidence, doesn't mean they didn't
>look into things.

True! But it doesn't mean they did, either. And so far, they haven't made a statement one way or another on the other media they do partake in and that's troubling to many of us.
 
So you actually believe it is both ethical and a responsibility of the DWR to feed you gossip about other hunters????? Plus you believe they should do so by your schedule?????

You have a rather distorted view of government and entitlement.
 
>So you actually believe it is
>both ethical and a responsibility
>of the DWR to feed
>you gossip about other hunters?????
> Plus you believe they
>should do so by your
>schedule?????
>
>You have a rather distorted view
>of government and entitlement.

Hello genius, I see your edumicating us again. Again, this is not Texas. Here in Utah the high country(no not a foothill) got covered up in snow end of last week. So, whatever ebidence there was is now under snow. Yes, I believe the agency I pay to protect wildlife, should do so, just a little quirk I have. But thats my distorted view of government, thinking it should do what I pay it to do, I know you are of the other belief that it should favor one class, look the other way for the connected, set up two sets of rules, one for the campaign contributors, and one for the rest of us. Lastly, yeah, sites like this, calls from folks like me add to some pressure. Look at the $fw fights, the little tiny bit they opened up, was a direct result of pressure from sights like these. You dont think that IF the accusation is true that WLH and his contacts are pressuring from the other side? Get real.

Vanilla, the Springville office didn't want to comment, pretty simple answer, and honestly what I thought they would say. But, at least they know the rumor is out there.

Last, TRISTATE, like the good little liberal soldier you are you figure you can bust out the playbook. Bigot, sexist, etc, are supposed to scare me, and shut me up, they dont. First, saying the hunter is a woman, is a pointing out the obvious, she isn't a man, so therefore....Second, pointing out that you Texas clowns can't read, isn't bigotry, I know you Texas guys think your so special that your actually your own race, creed, and religion, but your not, so pointing that out doesn't make one a bigot, its simply me stating the obvious.


"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
>>>So what your saying Hossblur is
>>>you don't know if WLH
>>>guided a sheep hunter at
>>>all. You don't know
>>>if a sheep got killed
>>>on the Nebo. You
>>>don't know if a client
>>>said he or she did
>>>not want pics of a
>>>sheep plastered on the internet.
>>> You don't know if
>>>the DWR is investigating anything.
>>> You don't know Doyle
>>>Moss. You have never
>>>seen proof of any illegal
>>>or unethical hunting on the
>>>part of either of these
>>>parties.
>>>
>>>You LITERALLY don't know AAAAAAANYTHING about
>>>AAAAAAAANYTHING going on but you
>>>are ready to talk all
>>>the trash on this sight
>>>and gossip as much as
>>>possible.
>>
>>As usual your wrong, but hey,
>>sun still rises every morning
>>so what do I expect.
>>
>>WLH did/is guiding the hunter.
>>Rumor is the lady is
>>from Texas, which would explain
>>her not being able to
>>read, and therefore not understanding
>>why she couldn't hunt the
>>Nebo. No, unlike a
>>lot of fanboys in here
>>whom have stalked Doyle at
>>the Expo, I am not
>>personal friends with him(Nor are
>>they, but with their autographed
>>camo, they like to lay
>>in bed fanticizing about being
>>so). I said hello
>>to him one night on
>>the island when we were
>>both watching deer. He
>>was perfectly nice in his
>>"pretty good buck" answer, so
>>I was too when I
>>replied "yup, fun to watch
>>them all together". Since
>>then I have seen him
>>half dozen or so times,
>>I wave, he waves, but
>>I haven't chased him down
>>begging for a pic and
>>autograph. I still have
>>not said, no matter how
>>many times it comes up
>>that Doyle(who isnt Wade Lemon
>>you dumbazz, they are two
>>different people) has ever done
>>anything illegal. My ideas
>>of ethical and his may
>>vary, but not illegality.
>>I DO know the DWR
>>knows about this sheep hunt.
>> They generally have an
>>idea of what happens with
>>the governors tag. Further
>>the Springville office had "no
>>comment" yesterday. Unlike you,
>>I have been on the
>>Nebo. Unlike you I
>>did so without a guide
>>driving me there, holding my
>>hand, and whipping my azz.
>> Unlike you, I am
>>capable of doing so myself.
>> Unlike you, I don't
>>live in one of the
>>biggest cities in America, all
>>the while pretending your some
>>"good ole country boy from
>>Texas". Lastly, as always
>>I know a thread is
>>completely dead and useless when
>>I see your on it.
>> So, I will read
>>some posts from people who
>>don't live 800 miles from
>>here, that actually might know
>>something.
>>
>>
>>"The only thing that stops a
>>bad guy with a gun
>>is a good guy with
>>a gun"
>
>So What Gives hoss?
>
>If They Catch Me Hunting Deer
>on SJ this Year with
>My Yellowestone PISSCUTTER General Tag
>in Hand & I get
>Caught?
>
>Will I Be able to Keep
>it Quiet/Hide everything?
>
>Or Will I Get TARRED &
>FEATHERED Here on the Internet?
>
>
>You Guy's Will Stick up for
>me,Right?:D
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>[font color="blue"]She put a Big F.U.
>in My Future,Ya She's got
>a
>way with Words[/font]
>
>

Somehow when I picture you in my head, your wearing a big feather boa and oversized glasses. Like Elton John used to, so I don't know about feathering you.
"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 

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