Second Choice Bonus Point

shedneck · Jul 10, 2015

I think I am confusing Arizona with another state, but I thought I heard somewhere that points are NOT forfeited if you draw your second choice. Is that the case? The regulations say they are forfeited if you draw a tag in a computer drawing.

Blank · Jul 10, 2015

LAST EDITED ON Jul-10-15 AT 03:32PM (MST)[p]WY you keep your points if draw a second choice. I always thought in AZ you lost them, even for 3-4-5 choice.

ElmerFudd · Jul 10, 2015

In AZ, you lose your points if you draw anything on your application. When your application # is pulled, they look at your first choice, if not available look at second choice then go to the next applicant. A second choice with a better draw odds than your first choice is quite possible to draw. Choices 3-5 go to the next round. It would suck to lose a lot of points on a 3-5 choice as those are hunts that could be drawn any year with no points if you used choice 1 or 2.

You don't lose or use points in the leftover allocation.

shedneck · Jul 10, 2015

Thank you for the info, sir. I had three points going into the draw. I put 12A East late as my first choice and 12A East early as my second choice. I didn't put any other choices. Obviously I am hoping for the late hunt, but with only three points I am thinking it must be early. I guess there's always a chance that it's the late. Or is there? In any event, not complaining - being able to hunt a quality unit on only three points is a bonus.

Utah400Elk · Jul 10, 2015

There is not really any chance you drew the late tag. It would take a virtual miracle for you to have pulled a late tag. The same bucks are there early but you will have to work hard for them.

shedneck · Jul 11, 2015

Yeah - I figure it's probably the early hunt, but that's ok. I'm just happy that I get to hunt the Kaibab. How many points does it to take to guarantee a tag in 12A East early? How many for the late hunt? Is it possible (I understand that it's highly unlikely) to draw a late tag with 3 points?

huntazido · Jul 11, 2015

For 12a East early hunt 8 points or more was 100% draw last year with even a few 7 point holders falling into the 20% pass.

For the late hunt 14 or more points was 100% draw and 2 people with 13 points fell into the 20% pass.

Last year a lot of NR's with lots of points cashed them in because the rumor/fact that they were only going to get 5% of tags in the 20% pass. I would imagine the same thing happened this year. The NR's with most points are using them.

Good Luck

BRUIN4L · Jul 11, 2015

Are you non-res?

shedneck · Jul 11, 2015

Yes, non-resident

tooele · Jul 12, 2015

you definitely didn't get the late hunt as a non-resident as the regulation has not changed yet. So you got the early hunt 100% and you also lost your points. Buts thats ok. Should be a good hunt. Best water year for a long time. Not an easy one, but if you do it right you could get one of those big ones. Good luck and congrats.

BOHNTR · Jul 12, 2015

You earn a BP in AZ if you do not draw your 1st or 2nd choice. If you draw either choice (1st or 2nd), you lose your BP's. Not like other states.

BOHNTR )))---------->

shedneck · Jul 12, 2015

Thanks, Tooele. Definitely looking forward to a new kind of deer hunt. The area looks much different compared to Nevada. I'm really hoping the El Ni?o weather pattern they are predicting holds true and brings some great weather to the Kaibab during the early hunt. Snow is certainly a possibility in the areas I hunt in Nevada during that time of year, but I'm not sure about the Kaibab. Either way, we have great optics, good boots, plenty of backpacks and a willingness to hike all day everyday, so I'm not terribly concerned about the weather. Thanks for all of the positive words, fellas - sure makes me excited.

tooele · Jul 12, 2015

actually if draw any choice 1st 2nd 3rd 4th whatever you lose your points

shedneck · Jul 14, 2015

FYI - I spoke to a lady at AZGFD on Friday July 10. She said that results should be posted within a week and a half.

DonMartin · Jul 15, 2015

Here is the correct information..IF you draw on the first or second pass, then you lose all your bonus points, except your Hunter Education and Loyalty point.

If there are leftover tags, such as for javelina, or Hopi Indian elk tags, and you draw/buy them, then you do NOT lose your bonus points.

Don Martin
Arizona Wildlife Outfitters