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They pay influencers…..you get your piece of cheese?Thank you AzG&F, first time I have one of my pictures used or published. This is just one water catchment in Unit 12B-West last year when I was hunting.
That was your photo in that release??Thank you AzG&F, first time I have one of my pictures used or published. This is just one water catchment in Unit 12B-West last year when I was hunting.
A free for all getting ripped down and smashed if you're brave enough to put one up.That's the whole thing, until they change wording, it's still going to be a free for all! General photography and Security...Lol
Exactly, then what? NothingUntil you rip down one of the G and F cameras, then what?
I believe those are well marked.Until you rip down one of the G and F cameras, then what?
Theres also people putting G & F stickers on their cameras as well in hopes to deter theft. Any idea how they are marked?, just curious.
Think what you want. I’ve seen it on cameras in the field. That’s why I was asking how they mark them.Me thinks you're now making things up.
So perhaps the ones you see in the field belong to G&F then & not some creative individual attempting to thwart the theft of his illegally placed cams, eh?Think what you want. I’ve seen it on cameras in the field. That’s why I was asking how they mark them.
Why do they need your cameras when they can use all of their own? If they're your cameras then they aren't federal property. Sounds like some BS to me. Either way though the beauty is any picture you get of any elk or deer now has to be kept to yourself and not shared with any hunter or guide or you're breaking the law. So keep slapping those research permits on those cams and enjoy your pictures.One thing I've recently learned is that not only is AZGFD enforcing the Laws , so is the Feds , when it comes down to Trailcameras being placed on Federal Lands . This has compelled me to get a Research Permit with the collaboration with the BLM Biologists. We created a contract that enables the Both parties , myself and the Biologist to use data that my Trailcameras have captured . For instance , the Biologist want to know if Bats are in the area to try to locate them and analyze if a White Fungus is present on the Bats . So any pictures or video I get of Bats hitting water , will be sent to the Biologists! These Research permits will be placed on my Trailcameras. Any Tampering or Theft of the cameras will not only be subject to stealing private property , but also Stealing Federal Property !!! This also enables me to place cameras in the park .
I'm actually on your side with this topic. I'm just saying there are some issues we will have to see how they pan out. I don't think there will be as bad as a lot of people are thinking.Me hung up?
You're the one asking all the "what if" questions and answering them by throwing chit against the wall to see if anything sticks.
I always find it amusing when supposedly 'law-abiding hunters' look for any loophole they can find to skirt or even ignore laws. The 'SSS' types in regard to wolves come out of the same mold.
Personally, I don't give a rat's ass about lawbreakers, whether you know them or not. They can put stickers on their butts & whistle the Battle Hymn of the Republic for all I care. They're no better than any other poacher, as are those who encourage them.
Great.I'm actually on your side with this topic. I'm just saying there are some issues we will have to see how they pan out. I don't think there will be as bad as a lot of people are thinking.
I didn't see any phrase that reads,"...if placed at a waterhole, guzzler or tank..." in the law. I can't believe I missed it if it's in there.I think the G&F are mostly concerned about the tanks and places where there are 10 + cameras. the average guy with one camera away from the popular spots will be okay.
They did not specify specific places. I meant to say those place that are popular with 10+ cameras are more than likely the hot spots for the game and fish to check. Their not gonna go out of their way to check one camera. The places that look like the picture at the top are gonna be scrutinized. Just my opinionI didn't see any phrase that reads,"...if placed at a waterhole, guzzler or tank..." in the law. I can't believe I missed it if it's in there.
So to be clear, you're saying it is perfectly okay for someone to break the law as long as they're not doing it where more than one camera is involved?They did not specify specific places. I meant to say those place that are popular with 10+ cameras are more than likely the hot spots for the game and fish to check. Their not gonna go out of their way to check one camera. The places that look like the picture at the top are gonna be scrutinized. Just my opinion
Maybe, maybe not, using a camera for whatever means you feel necessary, bird watching, tree watching, general wildlife footage. The burden of proof will be on the enforcer of the law not people on hunting website forums. What's the difference between speeding, having one drink and driving home, drinking beer and road hunting, using drones, flying over a hunting area, etc.. People are going to do what people do especially if they feel this law is BS. What's gonna stop big outfits with lots of money from paying people to take pictures with phone scopes and long-range photo optics? People do that right now as we speak and sell those pictures and animal locations. Game and fish will have to prove that the only reason you are hunting a certain area is because of a picture you have of an animal on your trail camera.So to be clear, you're saying it is perfectly okay for someone to break the law as long as they're not doing it where more than one camera is involved?
Any other laws that can also be ignored because G&F might not be around?
All those what-ifs have been debated for a couple years now. Reread all the past ' trail camera' threads in every internet forum to catch up.Maybe, maybe not, using a camera for whatever means you feel necessary, bird watching, tree watching, general wildlife footage. The burden of proof will be on the enforcer of the law not people on hunting website forums. What's the difference between speeding, having one drink and driving home, drinking beer and road hunting, using drones, flying over a hunting area, etc.. People are going to do what people do especially if they feel this law is BS. What's gonna stop big outfits with lots of money from paying people to take pictures with phone scopes and long-range photo optics? People do that right now as we speak and sell those pictures and animal locations. Game and fish will have to prove that the only reason you are hunting a certain area is because of a picture you have of an animal on your trail camera.
I agree, I just wish that one of those animals that I have had on camera in the past got killed by me. I never once killed an animal that I had on camera; these cameras have been in the same place for over 8 years now. Guess I just suck at hunting, the camera ban seems petty to me. I think there should be a time frame for camera use before a hunt, like flying over and waiting till the next day to hunt. flat out banning something pisses people off and makes people want to rebel, like a mask/vaccine mandate.All those what-ifs have been debated for a couple years now. Reread all the past ' trail camera' threads in every internet forum to catch up.
The simple point: trail cameras for hunting purposes are now banned. No one should encourage someone else to break a rule/law while trying to hide under the guise of a 'law -abiding hunter.' Perhaps instead of looking for ways to skirt or ignore a rule/law, encouraging more hunters to follow ALL the rules/laws would result in few restrictions down the road, eh?
Guess you won't suffer much with the ban then.I agree, I just wish that one of those animals that I have had on camera in the past got killed by me. I never once killed an animal that I had on camera; these cameras have been in the same place for over 8 years now. Guess I just suck at hunting, the camera ban seems petty to me. I think there should be a time frame for camera use before a hunt, like flying over and waiting till the next day to hunt. flat out banning something pisses people off and makes people want to rebel, like a mask/vaccine mandate.
Your right, cameras only informed me of the animals I did not find while hunting.Guess you won't suffer much with the ban then.
Cameras not only show where game is located; they also show where it isn't located.I wish there was a way that we could do a poll and find out how many average hunters, not guides or outfitters have actually killed an animal they had on camera versus not killing it. I bet the odds are in favor of the animals not being killed and most people only having pictures of the one that got away.
Guide and outfitters are different than the average hunter because when they get and animal of interest on camera, they will pay some recently graduated from HS kids who don't have jobs to follow that animal around until the big money hunter shows up to shoot it.
If this was offered to me 30 years ago after high school, I would have prolly done it.
I have collaborated with the BLM Biologists in the past on several occasions. My Step Dad retired as a Biologist and my collaboration began about 30 years ago when I was only 12 years old , volunteering doing Surveys on different reptiles . Tortoise , Gila Monster , Mountain King Snake etc . All on the Arizona Strip . With certain protocols in place , yes , the Trail Cameras im utilizing are also the property of the Federal government as I've Granted it to be . Any specific data I've collected will be forwarded to the Biologist in the Agency ! Initially , we are on a 2 year Contract and see how that goes .Why do they need your cameras when they can use all of their own? If they're your cameras then they aren't federal property. Sounds like some BS to me. Either way though the beauty is any picture you get of any elk or deer now has to be kept to yourself and not shared with any hunter or guide or you're breaking the law. So keep slapping those research permits on those cams and enjoy your pictures.
Did you just arrive at the party??There should be a restriction against cameras within 1/4 mile of a man made water source.
While they are at it they can enforce the camping restriction too.
I mean everywhere all the time. Too harsh?Did you just arrive at the party??
Oh, okay. I thought you meant in AZ where they are already banned for hunting regardless of location. And no, not too harsh at all if that goes for everywhere.I mean everywhere all the time. Too harsh?
Cameras not only show where game is located; they also show where it isn't located.
I actually think it somewhat amusing that this 'tool' is so important when it does nothing for the user. As you said, you're the quasi-poster child of that.
Yes, but not for HUNTING, as I noted above. Obviously, I'm only guessing, but I would bet the farm there are less than a dozen cameras on waterholes across the state that do not belong to outfitters, hunters or the G&F dept.I can still put a camera up on a waterhole in AZ.
Yes you can , anyone can , unless you happen to plan on Hunting on that Unit . If I Draw a 13a Archery Tag this year (cross my fingers I do) i can still set cameras on 13b , not 13a ! Hence , I am only setting Cameras on 13b this year !!I can still put a camera up on a waterhole in AZ.
sounds like littering to me. Just picking up trash.Not a risk worth taking. I would hope people respect others property and on the other hand hope that people follow the law. I don't think this will be as big of a mess as people are expecting, but maybe thats wishful thinking.
According to Federal law , 14 days on public lands . I have always checked my Trailcameras no later than 14 days just for that reason alone .At what point is personal property on public land considered abandoned? There must be some precedent.
Not for hunting purposes.How about private land? Can you use them there?
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