Old news up here. The task force does not have much say on the management inside a federal park.
There were hunts in the park for goats, Rip Van Winkle.I thought Wyo owned the wildlife?
Obviously it's federal land but seems like there may be a solution? Colo does the same thing inside RMNP once in a while. It's pretty sad because it's perfect goat country and sheep are almost nonexistent. I don't think anyone knows 100% whether goats roamed the Teton's 100+ years ago? Seems like they could have easily come in from Idaho or Montana?
It seems like a perfect opportunity for Wyo hunters to be offered additional mtn goat tags? Elk are hunted in Teton Park so why not mtn goats?
NPS said it will cull mountain goats "using aerial methods in Grand Teton National ParkAs usual, thanks for the kind words Buzz!
Hopefully Wyo figures out a strategy to hunt a Big 5 species within the park. Sounds like a great opportunity with lots of tags available to public hunters that currently doesn’t exist?
They charge by hour.I wonder how much it ends up costing them to shoot each goat from a copter? Most copters charge by the minute for flights!
I thought he was going to blame the goats death on cheatgrass.They charge by hour.
Ok guys who’s next to correct Jims in his next post?
Yea I'd like to get a yellowstone tag for elk too the access is great
How big is your clipboard? You copy and paste all damned day.Mntnguide, There were "qualified volunteers" that shot 63 goats that hiked into Teton Park to kill goats in 2020 and 2021. That's pretty good harvest kill if you ask me. It also tells me that it would be possible to have a viable draw hunt for public hunters.
Taken straight from my first article: "NPS said it removed 36 mountain goats using aerial lethal means in February 2020, 43 mountain goats using qualified volunteers in Fall 2020, and an additional 20 mountain goats using qualified volunteers in Fall 2021."
Public hunters have been killing elk in Teton Park and Jackson Refuge for years. If aerial sharpshooters are allowed to shoot goats why not public hunters? I wonder how much $$$$ the Feds have spent on the culling project....they probably don't quote that amount?
Just because I'm not a Wyo resident doesn't mean I don't have great suggestions! Instead I'm treated like an outcast! This seems like a viable hunt that public hunters would welcome with open arms. Wyo res want more Big 5 tags.....here is a prime example of something that would produce a pile of goat tags and opportunity that doesn't currently exist!
Pretty darn good idea if you ask me....but I'm a nonres and what do I know?
I have only eaten one Mtn. Goat, and that was the one I shot last year in Colorado. it tastes great to me and the few other people who tried it.I think a $hit sandwich would taste better than a mountain goat!
You might want to take a Covid test. Losing sense of taste is a great indicator you have it.I have only eaten one Mtn. Goat, and that was the one I shot last year in Colorado. it tastes great to me and the few other people who tried it.
The smell of those things alone will about turn your stomach.You might want to take a Covid test. Losing sense of taste is a great indicator you have it.
Hey Colorado cheatgrass here’s a link to where they are trying to get rid of the invasive lake trout:Here's an interesting tidbit of info in regard to Teton Park. Of the 5 species of trout in Teton Park only 1 of them is native. The non-native trout species in Teton Park include lake trout, rainbow, eastern brook, and brown trout. I don't see the park service eliminating lake trout and other invasive trout from Jackson Lake? In fact, invasive lake trout eat most of the native fish species! Pretty funny how they point the finger at mtn goats!
Cutthroat is the only native trout. I'm sure "invasive" trout have a negative impact on the many native species of fish and other aquatic species that are in Teton Park waters?
Do any of you know exactly where mtn goats are native in the lower 48 in the US? How about where in Wyo, Montana, and Idaho? My guess is that not many do and it is somewhat of a guess? Could it be possible there were goats in these areas 200 years ago?
Here in Colo the CPW has done the same thing. Mtn goats always seem to be given a bad rap. Where there are sheep and mtn goat areas that overlap the goats always take it on the head! The simple truth is mtn goats and sheep in Colo have interacted on the same mountain for years...and are doing just fine! In reality how many cases of disease have ever occurred across the country where mtn goats have killed off sheep herds? This is just another poor excuse to slaughter goats!
It's pretty much a bunch of crap why mtn goats get such a bad rap. The same exact thing happened in Olympic Ntl Park in Washington. Olympic goats were introduced way back in the 1920's and recently were also slaughtered! Thankfully in the Olympics a bunch of goats were transplanted.
I'm sure guys that have been fortunate to hunt goats in Wyo, Idaho, Colorado, Nevada, and Utah all would say what a privilege it was to have the opportunity to hunt them. No one is 100% certain that they never were endemic in some of these areas. I'm not aware of any cases where mtn goats totally wiped out bighorn sheep? Maybe someone in Idaho or Montana can chime in that spend time in areas where these 2 species overlap?
Just thought I would add some more comments to vent my frustration on why goats are given such a horrible name across the Western US.
Hey Teton Park....when are you going to start culling lake trout and browns? They eat a heck of a lot of native fish?
Fixed it for youThese the same guys that pushed and reintroduced the Canadian Wolf to the US??
Fixed it for you
That’s misinformation. You know the Canadian border is an imaginary line to animals right?My understanding is that they were not Canadian wolves in the lower 48. I will have to look into that further.
The ones in the US were not smaller. That’s more misinformation from the anti wolves. Don’t drink the kool aidI know it’s an imaginary line. I should of said subspecie. I always thought the wolves native to the US were smaller in size than the ones up north. Internet is so full of bias info it’s hard to trust. Everyone skews the date to fit their narrative.
Someone tell this Bergmann fellow that Arctic Elephants are not as big as their African and Indian cousins.Animals get bigger the further north you go. So, I would think that wolves are (somewhat) bigger in Canada. Look at body weight of Texas whitetail vs Alberta whitetail.
"Bergmann's rule is an ecogeographical rule that states that within a broadly distributed taxonomic clade, populations and species of larger size are found in colder environments, while populations and species of smaller size are found in warmer regions."
We focus on trophy elk, mule deer, antelope and moose hunts and take B&C bucks most years.