Gosh your a butt hole.Can’t stop progress! ? Here’s to a healthy wolf population in Colorado ?
*you’reGosh your a butt hole.
Yeah wolves have ruined WY. You can only get 3 elk tags.Glad I am almost 77 and will not see what will happen to the wildlife population. Got a few years left to hunt so will enjoy while I can.
Yeah wolves have been great for your moose.Yeah wolves have ruined WY. You can only get 3 elk tags.
Not my moose and moose are not doing too hot in a few states and some of them do not have wolves….Yeah wolves have been great for your moose.
Moose doing fine in CO but wolves will end that.Not my moose and moose are not doing too hot in a few states and some of them do not have wolves….
Moose are not even native to CO. Good riddanceMoose doing fine in CO but wolves will end that.
Wow you’re an anti idiotMoose are not even native to CO. Good riddance
Yes I’m anti idiot so that’s why we can never be friends. Life’s too short to be friends with idiotsWow you’re an anti idiot
Funny that- indeed elk are over objective in Wyoming, while moose are way under.Yeah wolves have ruined WY. You can only get 3 elk tags.
Yes I’ve hunted elk a lot in WY. And I don’t have the time to poke holes in all that you typed.Funny that- indeed elk are over objective in Wyoming, while moose are way under.
Have you hunted elk in Wyoming over the last 20 years? At least in the Wyoming range, the elk have learned to herd up, and certainly are avoiding habitats like aspen stands (go ask your friendly long timer G&F officer, or read studies on elk behavior). It used to be that the elk were in smaller groups and more distributed. Hunting them was "easier" in a sense that you would have more opportunities to find them. Now, unless you happen to run into the larger herds, it's really hit or miss. Result? The elk are not harvested in numbers to control the population due to the difficulties hunters face. Now, why did those elk change their behaviors- Hmmm....
Wait a minute- could it possibly be- wolves? Indeed, studies would support it.
All said- it's not necessarily a bad thing- but wolves DO impact hunting.
As for moose- it's clear that wolves have impacted their population. To deny it is silly. Again, I'm not claiming it's all bad, but it does have an impact. Moose don't congregate, so their only chance of behavior change is to go somewhere else. Like town, where the locals don't tolerate wolves running around
Hahaha it’s terrible up here. The wolves have pushed the caribou into huge herds and they stay out of the aspens.SS, disappointed in the daily Wolf limit in AK! ?
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Yes, well, at least you admit it.Yes I’m anti idiot so that’s why we can never be friends. Life’s too short to be friends with idiots
Yes, you can see plenty of bull moose occupying some of the same areas at high elevations before the rut but they are not a herd animal (like elk) and that is what @HikeHunt61 was referring to. It is much more common to see solitary moose and small groups of moose.Yes I’ve hunted elk a lot in WY. And I don’t have the time to poke holes in all that you typed.
Please show me where I’ve ever said wolves are not a factor? But to simply blame wolves? Laughable at best.
I can tell you don’t know chit about moose. Moose congregate. I’ve seen 30 bulls in one spot before in the upper green. And moose don’t go down into town to avoid wolves or even for winter. Moose sheds are routinely found at elevations over 9k in WY and they drop in Dec.
???. @HikeHunt61 says the elk are in large herds due to wolves. So why haven’t moose done that? Because it’s BS.Yes, you can see plenty of bull moose occupying some of the same areas at high elevations before the rut but they are not a herd animal (like elk) and that is what @HikeHunt61 was referring to. It is much more common to see solitary moose and small groups of mo
I never said wolves didn’t affect elk and moose populations. Please show me where I did.Yes, well, at least you admit it.
I am not a wolf hater. However, claiming that wolves have not had an impact on elk and moose in WY is laughable. In Yellowstone NP and the surrounding areas, elk and moose numbers are so low that the park "naturalists" are really talking up all the boiling pots and geysers in their talks to the urban tourists because there's not a lot of elk and moose to see anymore. I do not care for national parks because they just become tourist holes where humans are not considered to be part of the natural world. USFS Wilderness Areas are way more natural and protected.
You know well why. You just have to slam anyone without your world view dude. Elk are gregarious by nature and herding up to protect themselves is SCIENTIFICALLY the case. Moose? Not so much. They are solitary creatures, thus are less capable of herding behaviors to protect themselves.???. @HikeHunt61 says the elk are in large herds due to wolves. So why haven’t moose done that? Because it’s BS.
If you hunt around you’ll see big herds in states with no wolves. What’s the reasoning for that? Please tell me. You said it was cuz of wolves. It’s not. It’s cuz they are herd animals. Duh. Of course it’s beneficial to be in a herd for protection. But you tried to pass it off due to wolves. And that’s BS.You know well why. You just have to slam anyone without your world view dude. Elk are gregarious by nature and herding up to protect themselves is SCIENTIFICALLY the case. Moose? Not so much. They are solitary creatures, thus are less capable of herding behaviors to protect themselves.
Now, if you wish, I will point you to countless websites, some from your favorite conservation groups that back it up. Wikipedia might even immediately tell you that. They use big words, and long sentences. I can also point you to a dictionary if that helps.
Naa- I take it back- again- you know all of this. I realize you are a smart guy- but you call BS because it hurts your feelings, or something- who knows...
Lastly- nobody said you claimed there are no effects. I didn't claim the effects are devastating either. I just stated there are effects. I support wolves and grizzlies in Wyo wilderness BTW. I just realize they have impacts and understand to some degree what they are.
Harder? You must not of hunted elk in the early 90s.Holy mackerel- I get elk- it's just harder. And for hunters with more limited physical capabilities, it's doubly harder. I initially got this concept from the Wyo G&F officer who told us about the impacts. At first, I was dubious- but a little research confirmed it. You are sooo demeaning SS. I'm done trying to have logical debate with you- no sense comparing your overbearing, demeaning statements to those of biologists and scientific research. Pointless, and that's my bad...
George Benard Shaw, Nobel laureate, and all-around weird dude originated one of the most enduring, appropriate pieces of wisdom of all time. Mark Twain improved it, and I’ll paraphrase: “Never wrestle with a pig, you’ll be covered in mud and the pig enjoys it”. I’m gonna need to shower a second time today, but here goes:Harder? You must not of hunted elk in the early 90s.
The hardest part of a western wyo elk hunt is picking out which beer to take.
? good luck this fall!George Benard Shaw, Nobel laureate, and all-around weird dude originated one of the most enduring, appropriate pieces of wisdom of all time. Mark Twain improved it, and I’ll paraphrase: “Never wrestle with a pig, you’ll be covered in mud and the pig enjoys it”. I’m gonna need to shower a second time today, but here goes:
Yep, hunted elk in Wyoming from 1976 thru 2022 (so looking forward to that). Northern Wyoming Range predominantly but also stints in Gros Ventre and Ferris Mountains (when I thought hiking to the top of a ridge was everything). And without doubt, hunting elk in Wyoming has changed dramatically in that time. Not all of it was wolves, by any measure. Some places it’s actually better, some places different, some places worse. Just saying that an apex predator has impacted elk behaviors and made it more difficult in a broad sense. I still think having wolves and grizzlies in Wyoming is a plus. Just have to accept the impacts. Oh- and wish the feds and crazier enviro nuts would allow the G&F to balance the management. And with that, it’s off to the showers (and maybe that beer)!
You have to admit that managing wolves in WY is an entirely different issue than in Colorado. Colorado can’t even manage bears and they are constantly havi by bears attack people, destroy homes, cars and more. The wolves in Colorado will absolutely destroy it all.Yeah wolves have ruined WY. You can only get 3 elk tags.
Western Colorado is perfect for wolves. They will do fine there.You have to admit that managing wolves in WY is an entirely different issue than in Colorado. Colorado can’t even manage bears and they are constantly havi by bears attack people, destroy homes, cars and more. The wolves in Colorado will absolutely destroy it all.
How true Txhunter. Got tired of the crap some spout, just blocked them and it’s like they don’t exist!Guys, do you not know about the “block button” on this website. Guys who just spout nonsense get that from me and that makes this site much more enjoyable.
There is good news- wolves rarely attack people. Most of the people impact (beyond the varying impacts to natural resources like elk) seem to be limited to rancher's cattle and the occasional unlucky dog.You have to admit that managing wolves in WY is an entirely different issue than in Colorado. Colorado can’t even manage bears and they are constantly havi by bears attack people, destroy homes, cars and more. The wolves in Colorado will absolutely destroy it all.
Actually with the feds in charge of the eolvesThere is good news- wolves rarely attack people. Most of the people impact (beyond the varying impacts to natural resources like elk) seem to be limited to rancher's cattle and the occasional unlucky dog.
I hate to say this- but you'll soon be wishing that Colorado was managing the introduction. Now that the court "relisted" wolves in Co, and made the USFW the controlling entity, it'll be a mess- just like it was in Wyo until they delisted them. Having a bureaucracy as poorly staffed and zealously focused as the feds driving the boat just sucks.
Right now the federal policy is no introduction into Colorado. So in theory the feds would have to change their policy stance to start a relationship introduction. It is a legalDidn't know that. Do you think that will limit where the grey wolves are introduced- to northern CO? I assume they are mostly worried about inter-breeding of Greys and Mex wolves- especially since the males like to roam so much?
You are acting like wolves haven't affected elk in WY with what you have posted. Making fun of people that have noticed a decline in the elk and their hunting success but I guess you must be the best hunter on earth. We should all bow down to you. Lol.I never said wolves didn’t affect elk and moose populations. Please show me where I did.
Rest your post is just more BS. Do you really think people believe the BS you post?
If you make a post about wanting to have SS banned, it might happen. Makes it more aware of how much he upsets you.You are acting like wolves haven't affected elk in WY with what you have posted. Making fun of people that have noticed a decline in the elk and their hunting success but I guess you must be the best hunter on earth. We should all bow down to you. Lol.
Do you really think people respect you for your rude posts? Grow up and be civil. A healthy debate is both informative and entertaining. Your debates are boorish and rude.
Don’t blame the wolves for your inability to get an elk. Blame yourself. Western wy is crawling with elk.You are acting like wolves haven't affected elk in WY with what you have posted. Making fun of people that have noticed a decline in the elk and their hunting success but I guess you must be the best hunter on earth. We should all bow down to you. Lol.
Do you really think people respect you for your rude posts? Grow up and be civil. A healthy debate is both informative and entertaining. Your debates are boorish and rude.
Yes I enjoyed the last one. ?If you make a post about wanting to have SS banned, it might happen. Makes it more aware of how much he upsets you.
Limit out yet this morning?Don’t blame the wolves for your inability to get an elk. Blame yourself. Western wy is crawling with elk.
I’m ok not getting respect from a bunch of cry babies.
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