AG&F Comission Nails Malik

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Michigan man assessed $14,995 for killing trophy elk near homes​

Michael J. Malik, a Michigan resident, appeared before the Arizona Game and Fish Commission at its December meeting in Casa Grande for shooting a trophy-quality, 7x7 bull elk too close to residential property without landowner permission.

After hearing his statement, the commission voted to civilly assess Malik $14,995 for the state?s loss of the 408-point, velvet-antlered elk. The commission also revoked his hunting, fishing and trapping privileges in Arizona for five years, and he must successfully complete a hunter education course prior to having his license privileges restored.

The commission?s action to revoke Malik?s license for five years has far-reaching implications. Arizona is a member of the Interstate Wildlife Violator Compact with 32 other states, including all western states and Malik?s home state of Michigan. Until his license privileges are restored in Arizona, he will not be able to legally hunt in any of those 32 states.

Malik paid $135,000 at an auction for Arizona?s 2006-07 ?special? elk tag at a Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation annual convention. Special tag holders have the added privilege of pursuing their designated big game for one full year.

In the early hours of July 26, 2007, Malik, assisted by four companions, including Arizona elk guide John McClendon, shot, wounded and eventually killed the bull in a privately owned meadow in the Morgan Flat area east of Pinetop. While on patrol, the Arizona Game and Fish Department's wildlife manager in Unit 3B, Shawn Wagner, heard the initial shot and responded to investigate. He found the Malik hunting party and wounded bull in close proximity to several occupied houses where the property owners were upset with Malik hunting and shooting near their homes.

Wagner determined the homeowners had not been approached nor had they granted permission for Malik to hunt on their property. Wagner seized the bull and cited Malik for shooting violations. Shooting a firearm within a quarter-mile of an occupied building while taking wildlife without permission from the owner is a Class 2 Misdemeanor.

After several pre-trial conferences and continuances, Malik was found guilty in the Pinetop Justice Court on Aug. 29, 2008, of discharging a firearm within the quarter-mile limit of occupied residences while taking elk. The criminal conviction authorized the commission to take civil action against Malik.

?This incident is more a private property and public safety violation than it is a wildlife crime. The court and commission decisions are a strong reminder to all hunters about the importance of hunter awareness and safety and respecting the rights of private property owners and rural residents,? says Jim Hinkle, law enforcement program manager at the department's Pinetop office.

The department donated the edible portions of the elk carcass to Shepherd?s Kitchen, a charitable organization in Snowflake. The antlers and cape remain in custody of the department pending the outcome of an appeal to the Pinetop Justice Court decision by Malik.






TONY MANDILE
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That is too bad.
To bad for hunting, the elk died and was apparently, finished off too close to homes.

To bad for Malik. Loosing his license for 5 yrs. "This incident is more of a private property crime and public saftey crime than a wildlife crime," says Jim Hinkle Law enforcement. A pretty stiff penality IMO. I don't know all the facts. If the bull would have been shot a couple hundred yards further away off of private and died there no laws would have been broken.

To bad for John McClendon a good elk guide and person from what I have heard.

To bad the people around their homes had to see a trophy bull killed near their homes.

Lets learn something from this.

I guess if something like that happens again call the Fish and Game. Get permission to finish off the animal.

Trying to keep hunting positive.
 
"In the early hours of July 26, 2007, Malik, assisted by four companions, including Arizona elk guide John McClendon, shot, wounded and eventually killed the bull in a privately owned meadow in the Morgan Flat area east of Pinetop."


Am i seeing a double standard here? The article clearly says the Elk was taken on private property--- poached!

Now, if the article is wrong, i can see defending the guy but if correct, no amount of "nice guy" should protect him.

Joey
 
I don't know all the facts.
I thought the elk was originally shot in a leagal area and was finished off near homes on private. If this was not the case how come the fish and game officer said it was a private property issue more than a wildlife violation? I would like to know more info.
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-19-08 AT 10:42AM (MST)[p]The fact the elk was originally standing on private property was never in dispute. The entire area (meadow) is such. The only debate during the initial investigation was the distance the shooter was from any dwelling when he fired the FIRST shot and if he had permission to shoot there as required by law.

The reason they were there in the first place is because ONE of the residents supposedly tipped them off to the bull's presence and received a $10,000 fee as a result of that tip. He supposedly even obtained a guide's license so the payment was sorta "legal."

BUT...the other nearby residents never gave their permission to Malik to shoot less than a 1/4-mile from their houses for either the first or subsequent shots.

In the court case, the judge gave Malik a slap on the wrist by putting him on probabtion and sentencing him to 8 hours of community service. The commission likely looked at that sentence as way too lenient and decided to make the civil penalty a bit harsher.

TONY MANDILE
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WOW!
Thanks for the update.
It does sound like the tresspassing issue was overlooked.

Jeff
 
Lot more to the story than Tony's "Facts". There is an appeal, when it's over I'll make some comments. Flame away......
 
A few articles from the White Mt. paper that I had saved:

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LAKESIDE - Some residents near Mountain View Ranch on Porter Mountain Road are distraught and angry after an elk hunt reportedly took place very close to their homes July 26.


Residents in the area awakened that morning to the sound of gunshots. After all was said and done, a large bull elk was killed and the Arizona Game and Fish Department has been left to sort things out.

Game and Fish has issued a citation to the hunter, Mike Malik of Michigan. Malik is the owner of Paradice Hunt Club in Davison, a 1,000-acre whitetail deer-hunting region and resort.

Curt Farrier, a resident near the area where the hunt took place, said it all unfolded a quarter-mile from his home. He said he woke up around 5:15 a.m. to the sound of a gunshot. Thinking it was a drive-by shooting at first, he went back to sleep but got out of bed when he decided something wasn't right.

Neighbor Krissie Almour said a phone call woke her up at 5:30 a.m. The call came from neighbor John Babbitt, telling her not to go outside because hunters had shot an elk near her home.

"I was thinking, 'What hunters? Where are the hunters?'" she said.

Around 5:35 a.m., Almour reportedly called Farrier's house to relay the news. Farrier said while his wife talked with her, he heard more gunshots and yelled at the hunters to stop shooting because of other animals in the area. He said the elk finally went down at 6 a.m.

Farrier said during the hunt, the hunter and his outfitter were on private property.

"(The hunter is) supposed to be 440 yards away from a dwelling," he said. "Every place they took a shot was in private land."

Farrier said the first shot happened near a fence separating Mountain View Ranch from the rest of the properties in the area. Since the elk did not go down with the first shot, he said the hunter stalked it as it tried to get away. He said the hunter took the last shots near two houses.

"They got between the houses and shot," he said.

Soon afterwards, Malik, outfitter John McClendon from Cottonwood, Arizona Game and Fish and the area residents converged on the spot where the elk fell and tried to figure out how it all happened. Farrier said many of the residents on scene were those who witnessed the act with no idea of what was going on.

"These people are all watching, freaking out," he said.

Farrier said the outfitter was asked by Game and Fish if they had written permission from the residents to hunt there or if they had informed the residents beforehand and they both replied "no." Game and Fish, having reason to believe the elk was not taken lawfully, confiscated it. Farrier said the head of the elk will be sold at an auction while the meat will be given to a food bank.

Game and Fish said Malik had a special permit to hunt. Public information officer Bruce Sitko said special permits were introduced in the mid-1980s, with two initially given out per year per big game species, such as bighorn sheep, mule deer or elk. He said that the permits are either auctioned off or raffled. Malik's permit was obtained through auction.

"All of the proceeds from those permits go to management for that particular species that permit is sold for," he said.

Sitko said the Arizona Legislature recently allowed a third permit to be sold. With the permits the hunter is allowed to hunt in designated game management units, as determined species by species by the Arizona Game and Fish Department Commission. A majority of the units are open for a particular species every year, and the permit allows the hunter a yearlong pass to hunt, regardless of the time of year. Malik's permit ran from Aug. 1, 2006 to July 31, 2007.

According to Sitko, Malik was in one the designated areas, but reportedly fired too closely to occupied structures. Farrier said he talked with Malik after the hunt and was told Malik had three previous hunts in Arizona but did not shoot anything. He added that Malik said he felt bad about the whole situation.

Nevertheless, the incident has emotions running high in the area. Farrier said herds of elk are known to run around the area right in their backyard. The elk that was shot was well known to the community.

The thing that has Farrier really mad, he said, is where the elk was shot. The area is not forested, as it is just grassland with a pond in the middle. He likened hunting an elk in an open area like that to shooting in a corral.

Almour said she was angry and sad about many things regarding the incident. She felt her property rights were violated when Malik and his guide wandered onto her land. She was also saddened to learn a hunt was taking place in the same area where her husband Jeff Almour died in a plane crash more than two months earlier.

But what has Almour most upset is that the elk was advertised online. She said the hunter might have been enticed to come out to Lakeside with video of the elk, possibly taken from a resident. She said that action might have put the rest of the herd in jeopardy.

"I felt that elk was pimped out on the Internet and sold to the highest bidder," she said. "It was a blatant misuse of trust and friendship."

Babbitt said Malik contacted him via phone after seeing pictures of the elk on the Internet. He said he let Malik know where the elk was and guided him on the animal's path into the forest.

"I showed him right where the animal goes into the forest," he said. "I wanted to make sure he shot him out in the forest."

Babbitt said he went out with the rest of the residents after the incident occurred and did not go with Malik for the hunt like some alleged. He added that he was just as mad as anyone since the hunter allegedly went onto private property to hunt.

"He just didn't hunt the animal in the forest," he said. "He was too antsy, I guess. He should've gone where I showed him."

Calls to Malik were not returned by press time.

Arizona Game and Fish served Malik with a citation after conducting an investigation of the incident. Game and Fish reportedly determined the first shot from Malik took place 340 yards from Farrier's house, well within the 440-yard boundary. Game and Fish also said the second and third shots were reportedly taken from between two houses, which are only 677 feet apart.

"It's illegal to discharge a firearm within a quarter-mile of an occupied residence while taking wildlife without permission," Sitko said. The law comes under Arizona Revised Statute 17-309 A 4. It is considered a Class 2 misdemeanor, punishable by up to $750 in fines plus 80 percent in surcharges, up to four months in jail and up to two years probation.

Sitko said the investigation is open, so more charges may be pending. Farrier said it doesn't make him feel any better, knowing the hunter is a wealthy man.

"That guy's got enough money to buy his way out of it," he said.

Meanwhile, the residents feel like they are left to pick up the pieces. Farrier said the people in the area "are in such a tizzy." Not only that, he said people all over the state are learning of this incident.

"Everyone from Phoenix to Flagstaff to Prescott knows about this," he said.

Almour said there was nothing to gain from this situation.

"No one won out in the end," she said.

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Michigan man found guilty on charge stemming from elk hunt

In a Monday ruling, the Pinetop Justice Court found a Michigan hunter guilty on one of two counts of firing too close to occupied residences during a 2007 elk hunt on Porter Mountain.

The state charged Michael Malik, a long-time hunter and hunt club owner in Davison, with two counts of discharging a firearm within a quarter-mile of an occupied residence. The charges stem from a July 26, 2007, incident in which Malik hunted and killed an large bull elk well known to residents of Mountain View Ranch on Porter Mountain Road.

Many residents complained the hunt took place too close to their homes. Arizona Game and Fish confiscated the elk and issued Malik with a citation.

A bench trial was held July 31 at the justice court. Judge Pro Tem David Antonini found John McClendon, an outfitter, not guilty for guide aiding or counseling a hunter in violation.

The trial lasted over 10 hours, with Antonini taking the case under advisement at the end of the trial.

During the trial, Malik's attorney, Bruce S. Griffen of Flagstaff, tried to prove the first shot was not within a quarter-mile of any occupied residence. Afterwards, when the elk was wounded, the defense said law enforcement had authorized a salvage and euthanasia operation, no longer making it a hunt.

In the case for McClendon, local defense attorney Dirk LeGate argued his client was not a guide for the hunt by definition, since he received no financial gain from Malik's hunt.

The prosecution, led by county prosecutor Clyde Halstead, argued Malik shot too close to the homes, without permission from the homeowners. The court heard from various witnesses during the trial, including Game and Fish officers, Mountain View Ranch residents and Malik and McClendon themselves.

According to a summary published by Game and Fish, Antonini ruled Malik was not guilty with taking the first shot too close to homes. Griffen said they were able to successfully prove the location of the first shot occurred further away than from what Game and Fish indicated and well outside the quarter-mile boundary. He said McClendon, when talking to Game and Fish on the scene, misidentified the location of the first shot. He said three witnesses testified to this fact, including Malik and McClendon.

"Three people testified that Game and Fish had the wrong location," he said. "There was no witness that supported the state's version at the end of the day."

Antonini then ruled that the location of and responsibility for the second shot was indisputable and Malik was guilty of the second count. Griffen said they do not agree with the decision and are looking at appealing it.

"We will be taking further steps to try to correct that," he said.

Antonini also found McClendon not guilty on his charge because the state did not provide sufficient evidence showing he directly gained financially from the hunt.

Game and Fish Public Information Officer Bruce Sitko said they are preparing a revocation packet, a typical process for any wildlife violation.

"Once the violator has gone through the justice court, the department also has an option to take that violation to a Game and Fish commission," he said.

Sitko said Game and Fish can ask the commission for a civil fine or revocation of a license, to be compounded with the court's sentence. He said license revocations would typically be for five years, although the commission could decide to make it shorter, but any revocation would extend to other Western states because of a pact between state wildlife organizations.

"It can have some far-reaching effects," he said.

It had been more than a year between the incident occurred and the trial was finally held. Sitko said the delays came from motions made by the defense lawyers, as they would come across new information relating to the case and needed sufficient time to prepare.

Another delay came, Sitko said, when the lawyers for Malik and McClendon motioned in May that the two be tried together. He said the state was going to try the two defendants separately.

Malik is scheduled for sentencing on Aug. 15.

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Malik sentenced to community service for illegally taking elk

PINETOP-LAKESIDE - Michael Malik, a Michigan man who became the center of controversy after an elk hunt on Porter Mountain last July, has been sentenced to eight hours of community service.


Malik was found guilty of firing too close to an occupied structure on Aug. 4 after a July 31 bench trial that lasted over 10 hours. The Pinetop-Lakeside Justice Court said Malik must serve the community service within 60 days. Malik must also write letters of apology to homeowners of Mountain View Ranch on Porter Mountain, where the hunt took place.

The execution of the sentence will be suspended pending the court's consideration of Malik's motion for a new trial.

Ofc. Jim Hinkel, the law enforcement program manager for the Pinetop office of Arizona Game and Fish, said the sentence handed down was "disappointing" but the department will begin their own disciplinary process. He said Malik could face a revocation of his license and a minimum civil assessment of $8,000 for the elk he killed.

"What Mr. Malik is looking at is revocation of licenses to hunt, fish or trap for up to five years," he said.

Hinkel added those revocations would not just be limited to Arizona. Since Arizona is part of a interstate wildlife violator compact, Malik could face revocations in 32 states and seven Canadian provinces, including Utah, California and New Mexico.

"If you're revoked in any one of the participating states, you're revoked in the rest of them," he said.

Hinkel said he would have liked to see the justice court hand down a tougher sentence to show other potential offenders that wildlife violations would be taken seriously. However, he said it would not affect how Game and Fish carries out their action.

"We're moving forward," Hinkel said.






TONY MANDILE
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I'm sorry, but if I were malik I would rack up three more misdemeanors. One for each green peace freak nose I broke that owned a house within the supposed 1/4 mile range of the bull, and one more for each nose I broke that belonged to a member of the wildlife board. I hope malik has enough money to go after everyone in this case and make them start thinking before they start messing around with sportsmen. I think this falls under hunter harrasment. I would go after the wildlife board for such charges as well. At least try to make a valid point. WTF! you think you have all the laws covered, you think you paid your trespass fees and are leagal and next thing you know stuff like this happens. GO malik!
 
I'm still hearing a double standard here. Frankly, very surprised to see these kinda comments when the last 5 or 10 guys that have been even remotely connected with possible game violations have been slam nailed to the proverbial wall.

Does it really matter how much money a guy has? How many friends he has? As far as the law is concerned, i believe what's good for one guy should be good for all...

Joey
 
I agree with you joey. Here in Wyoming the first thing stressed in our regs is.....ITS THE HUNTER'S RESPONSIBILITY TO KNOW....
After all this leaglality crap is sorted out that head is to be auctioned off and you know who will end up with it in the long run...I personally feel Arizona Game and Fish ought to destroy it so nobody gets it.
 
If your a average joe then your just a poacher scum bad.

Rich hunter and well known guide than they are good guys and people just don't understand. If people did not have houses and private property this never would have happened. It's everyone else's fault.
 
What I have a trouble with is that Mr. Malik has been fined a very large sum of money and had his hunting/fishing privileges taken away in many states for five years, while most true/actual poachers get slaps on the wrist. If the public is lucky, most poachers get a fine of maybe a few thousand dollars and a year or so taken off their hunting privileges, while most get far less than that. In this case, the commission seems to have gone to an extreme to prove some kind of point.

While I do not agree with what they did, people seem to forget that Mr. Malik did have a valid hunting license, and his 'crime' was shooting an elk on private property without permission and too close to dwellings without permission. I'd like to know what kinds of fines are normally assessed for such misdemeanors, and whether revocation of hunting privileges is customary when someone is cited for this type of misdemeanor.

It seems to me that the commission is trying to make some kind of extreme point in this case. He's being made an example of, when there are people who've done far worse and get much lighter punishment, and that isn't right. Be consistent!
 
Thats the way it works, did O.J get a fair deal on his last trial? no, anyone else would have gotten a much smaller sentence, If your the last guy to turn on the next in a narcotics string then you get sent away and the guy that turned you in gets off, no matter who did what, examples are made all the time in the justice system, judges will even say so, get over it!
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-21-08 AT 11:18AM (MST)[p]Lets make one thing clear, in AZ poachers most definately aren't getting a slap on the wrist these days! MR Malik isn't a poacher by any stretch of the law. But he did violate the law in the sense that he discharged his firearm allegedly too close to a residence in the presence of a licensed guide in AZ who is supposed to uphold the rules. I'm not sure all the details regarding this have surfaced but we'll see and eventually they may be exhonerated.

One thing that will most likely result in this will be a change in the law in how they look at matters such as these. Most likely even if the guide hasn't been paid they will hold him accountable if he is a member of the hunters party and as such has advised the hunter in any manner regarding the wildlife or was with the hunter at the time of the infraction. I think the sentence seems a little stiff to me but who knows exactly how things unfolded in the event and it may have been justified. The whole damn affair has given hunting a bad wrap in the area and everybody involved should have used better judgement in the matter. The quest for bone has to be secondary to the publics safety and the law in any scenario and in this matter it appears they weren't and it appears that is the message the commission is meaning to send. I agree that the sentence may have been too harsh but they could have avoided it entirely by changing their timeing and location in the matter. We all live with the choices we make some good and some bad and in this case a bad choice ended up with a bad result for hunting and Mr Malik. Since Mr Malik owns a hunting preserve he should have known better and I think that may have factored into the commissions decision.
 
The violation as I see it is shooting closer than 440 yds of an occupied building without permission of the occupant. Unless the property was properly posted no trespassing it would be legal to shoot outside of the 440 yd boundry. This is usally an issue with dove hunting in our state not elk hunting. There are a lot of these type violations every year bird hunting and I doubt anyone has had their license revoked for five years.

I've been critical of the absolute dumb decision by those involved to shoot that elk in a subdivsion, even if they could have stayed 441 yds away. There had to be a different place to do it or a different bull in the entire state of Az for an entire year of hunting. Waking up a neighborhood to gunshots and chasing a wounded elk through their homes is stupid and bad PR as evidenced in Tony's examples of news reports and the comments of homeowners in them. Bad PR for all hunters.

What I mean by stupid is that we all get that type of invitation, just don't act on it. Quite a few times when I decide to go into Forest Lakes or Heber to eat instead of cooking. People will ask what you are hunting and say, We have elk all over in our subdivision, they eat all our plants, come over and kill some. Now the responce is, I don't think someone wants me gutting an elk in their back yard under the kids swingset. It's a joke but also true. I don't think the people in Lakeside got the joke.

AZ402, with all the rumors flying around I'm interested in what you have to say and I have an open mind.

I could care less about Malik and don't care if he ever hunts in Az again but am fair minded and think a five year suspension is harsh for the type of violation. The fine was ok, the seizure ok, court costs fine, maybe a years suspension. What happens next time someone is shooting doves too close to a house, same thing?

As far as feeling sorry for him because they took his bull away, I believe he had the next years (a few days later) tag also and killed a nice bull in a different unit, legal like.

Kent
 
That fine doesn't mean doodley squat. It'd be like the rest of us getting fined $25. A lot of guys would risk trespassing for a quality animal if the fine was little more than a token slap on the wrist. Where they nailed this clown was on the 5 years of no licenses. However, I'd guess that he probably won't be inconvenienced too much since he still has 28 other states, Canada, and Mexico to hunt. At least we won't have to see him out west for awhile...
 
My understanding is that the Courts are finally taking Trophy Quality into consideration in handing out sentences to violators of F&G laws. Most i've seen, support the thought that a true trophy animal has more "value" than a meat animal. Those that compare the above "hunt" as that of a Dove hunt are grasping IMO.

Joey
 
IMO this is a harsh penalty by the AZ fish and game commission for someone convicted of "discharging a firearm within 1/4 mile of an occupied residence while taking elk".

Seems they are sticking it to this guy because he has obvious wealth and killed a big bull with a tag that cost him $135,000. Would the commission's penalty have been as severe for a DIY hunter or a tag holder with a low profile guide who killed a spike under the same circumstances? I doubt it. And taking "Trophy Quality" into consideration when assessing civil penalties to me is a very slippery slope...just where is that allowed by the regs and just where do you draw the line?

Also their action seems a little premature to me...you'd think they might await the results of the appeal. Won't this whole thing look foolish if Malik prevails on appeal and is eventually exonerated of this charge?

Both Malik and McClendon are good guys and I'm not aware that either have ever been in trouble with the law for game violations of any kind. Malik has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars for the Arizona Gov elk tag in recent years and I just don't see anyone in his position doing anything intentional to jeopardize his reputation and obvious passion for elk hunting. Unfortunate in any event for all concerned.
 
I still don't get it, these big time hunters trouncing through neighborhoods shooting elk, are they that obsessed with trophy antlers? and does anybody know the name of the elk that had to be put down after it was wounded? when I hear people defend this kind of behavior it makes me question the direction that the sport of hunting is going
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-21-08 AT 05:48PM (MST)[p]>I still don't get it, these
>big time hunters trouncing through
>neighborhoods shooting elk, are they
>that obsessed with trophy antlers?
>and does anybody know the
>name of the elk that
>had to be put down
>after it was wounded? when
>I hear people defend this
>kind of behavior it makes
>me question the direction that
>the sport of hunting is
>going



WOW, piper and I agree on something 100%.....no matter what the appeal yields, this sounds like a goat roping to me....all involved should be ashamed.

F&G has never been in the business of running off whales.....there has to be some flames in all this smoke.



great post/pic, thanks for sharing

JB
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The violation of discharging a firearm within 1/4 mile, is the same if you shoot a dove, squirrel, coyote, deer, whatever. The trophy accessment is in the fine. Taking the animal is correct, dove or elk, they aren't going to give the trophy dove back. I guess all violations carry the possibility of license suspension, just wonder if anybody has had their licence taken away for this. I have to admit to thinking, serves the dumb guy right, but logicaly if there is no precidence then it is going too far.

I hope they don't put the rack up for sale. They should hang it in the G&F office. Reminds me of the story of the bear in the Phx office. The bear was causing problems up on the rim. Hound hunters were called and they chase it around but can't tree it. It eventually runs into the Reservation, the dogs have to be pulled back. The bear shows back up in Canyon Creek Campground and is treed by someone's poodle or simular dog. G&F is called and they don't want to shoot it with all the campers watching so decide to dart it. It's way up in a ponderosa and the fall from the tree kills it. They load it hoping no one notices. It now resides in the Phx G&F offices.

Kent
 

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