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What’s everyone’s thoughts on the basically finalized new antelope dates and tags?
Can you post a link?What’s everyone’s thoughts on the basically finalized new antelope dates and tags?
Really? Even no scopes on muzzleloaders..for all species, but listed in the pronghorn rule changes?I like the changes.
Yes, the no scopes would be a change to the legal definition of a muzzleloader hunt, it's not tied to any specific species rule. They will most likely pass the Antelope rule at the June 3rd meeting. If they do change the muzzleloader rule, probably won't happen until the Fall.Really? Even no scopes on muzzleloaders..for all species, but listed in the pronghorn rule changes?
Didn’t see that. I was focused on the date changes.Really? Even no scopes on muzzleloaders..for all species, but listed in the pronghorn rule changes?
Can you elaborate as to why? Not asking in a sarcastic sense but I would like to here A) what your opinion on why this should happen B) what benefit you believe it will have on hunting(ers) and animals?The most interesting part of the "rule changes" is removing scopes from muzzleloaders for all big game. My muzzleloader is set up for long range shots but I think moving muzzleloaders back to more primitive weapons without scopes is a good idea.
Lumping? Thanks you for the update by the way. What exactly is going on with the bighorn ?Game Commission meeting happening today, Antelope changes were adopted with 1 amendment by commissioner Lopez going against public opinion:
Unit 50, 52 - First muzzleloader hunt was changed to a rifle hunt and reduced tags from 40 to 20.
Because there are only 4 commissioners, they have to have a unanimous vote to pass the item. So basically, 1 commissioner can hold up an entire rule and risk the possibility of no hunting for that species. That puts pressure on the other commissioners to pass it, even if they don't necessarily agree with it.
This pronghorn amendment is not a huge change, but there is still big disagreement within the commission for bighorn, with commissioner Salazar wanting the "lumping" of hunt codes to be changed. They couldn't come to an agreement today, so when the Bighorn rule is suppose to be adopted in August, there is a real possibility it will fail.
Basically the way they put all the rocky ram tags into 1 hunt code and all the deserts into another hunt code so that there is enough tags pooled together so NR pools will get tags. There are some that want to get rid of that so that each area is their own hunt code, which would result in all Bighorn tags going to residents. They are trying to find a compromise so that residents get more tags but not eliminate NR completely.Lumping? Thanks you for the update by the way. What exactly is going on with the bighorn ?
Downside isn’t a good description,Can you elaborate as to why? Not asking in a sarcastic sense but I would like to here A) what your opinion on why this should happen B) what benefit you believe it will have on hunting(ers) and animals?
And what is the downside to a scoped muzzle loader and what is considered long range?
Just my opinion that modern muzzleloaders are not what muzzleloader seasons were designed for. Your welcome to have a different opinion. I'm more of a threat to deer with my muzzleloader than I am an open sighted 30-30. Making an open sight 30-30 season would be more of a "traditional hunt" than the current muzzleloader hunts are in NM.Can you elaborate as to why? Not asking in a sarcastic sense but I would like to here A) what your opinion on why this should happen B) what benefit you believe it will have on hunting(ers) and animals?
And what is the downside to a scoped muzzle loader and what is considered long range?
The biggest downside to allowing scoped muzzleloaders is that it makes most hunters much more effective which means G&F would need to issue less tags to maintain the same harvest as muzzleloader hunting without scopes.
Scopes without a doubt make most hunters much more effective than open sights. I would feel very confident shooting a deer with my muzzleloader at 400 yards. If I had to use open sights, I wouldn't attempt the shot.Maybe. Most people that have LR muzzleloaders also chase nothing but horns and a fair amount of them won't fill a tag because of it.
Making muzzleloaders open sight only may very well cause more smaller bucks to be killed increasing the tag mortality rate.
Elk don't matter since they are hunted during the rut.
You may have a point on this. I've only had one muzzleloader tag in NM 2 years ago and I ended up never pulling the trigger. I could have easily shot a young buck the last evening of the hunt but didn't need extra meat for the freezer. I hunt more for the experience than horns but if that had been a mature buck, I would have pulled the trigger.Maybe. Most people that have LR muzzleloaders also chase nothing but horns and a fair amount of them won't fill a tag because of it.
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